Originally Posted by Hazmat
First, thanks very much for your help sivadselim, it is greatly appreciated.
Whatever setup I purchase will predominately be for movies (home theatre) and listening to 2 channel music a somewhat distance second and only one no one else is home.
As for choosing "surround-specific" speakers, not necessarily as they are quite expensive and I think your right as you mentioned iQ1 or iQ3 would most certainly do the job.
As for a subwoofer, I will most certainly be needing one. I didn't put anything down as I am at a loss as which one would be complimentary with KEFs. Any ideas? I thought maybe a reasonably lower priced Velodyne.
The setup I previously posted is what the store mentioned I might want. I personally thought maybe 2 different options.
Fronts: iQ5 = $ 649.99 pr CDN dollars (on sale until September 12)
Centre: iQ3c = not sure of the price at this moment
Rears: iQ3 or iQ5 = Unsure of the price for the 3s
Sub: Velodyne VRP1200 (12 inch on sale until September 12) = $ 299.99
Fronts: iQ9 or iQ7 (They would order the 7's for me if I wished it so)
Rears: iQ3, or iQ5 (probably 3s as it would allow me more money for a better sub.
Subwoofer: either the VRP1200 or something a little higher end.
To be honest, I know as much about subwoofers as I do about the physiology of a cephalopods...which is to say nothing.
I do like your option of the iQ3 x 4 with the iQ3c x1 & a sub of some sort. I know my wife would
Sorry got to go, there waiting for me. Once again thanks very much sivadselim.
Edit: I'm back...there yelling at me to hurry up or I'll miss the meeting, lol anyway. How would 4 X iQ5s with a iQ3c or iQ6c sound with a higher end Velodyne, maybe their mini 8" sub (flying vee or something like that).
Do you think that would overpower a 14 foot x 10 foot room?
K I'm really going now. lol
Let's see where to start. I think we should discuss the driver complement and size of the drivers in all these speakers you are considering.bookshelves:
iQ1 = 1 5.25" UniQ driver
iQ3 = 1 6.5" UniQ drivertowers:
iQ5 = 1 5.25" UniQ driver, 1 5.25" low frequency driver
iQ7 = 1 6.5" UniQ driver, 1 6.5" low frequency driver
iQ9 = 1 6.5" UniQ driver, 2 6.5" low frequency driverscenters:
iQ2c = 1 5.25" UniQ driver (there is no iQ3c, btw)
iQ6c = 1 5.25" UniQ driver, 2 5.25" low frequency drivers
The 5.25" and 6.5" UniQ drivers have identical tweeters that are all crossed-in at 2.8kHz.
You can look at the KEF site to see how all these speakers compare to one another, spec-wise, but some comparisons are obvious, such as:
The iQ3 will obviously go lower than the iQ1 and will most likely play louder.
The iQ7 will obviously go lower than the iQ5 and most likely play louder.
Both centers have 5.25" UniQ drivers, but the iQ6c has 2 extra LF drivers, so that comparison is pretty obvious.
But some comparisons are not so obvious, like how would the iQ3 bookshelf, with its single 6.5" UniQ driver, compare to the iQ5 tower which has a 5.25" UniQ driver and a 5.25" LF unit?Option 1:
I really have no reason to suggest it, other than continuity and aesthetics, but if you are going to use the 5.25"-driver iQ5 towers for your fronts, then I would use the 5.25"-driver iQ1s (or iQ5s) for your rears instead of the 6.5" driver iQ3s. Something just bothers me about having larger (although it would be fewer) drivers in your surrounds than your fronts. As far as the center goes, I would try and get the obviously superior iQ6c no matter what decision you make regarding your other speakers. If you got 2 iQ5s, 2 iQ1s (or iQ5s) and the iQ6c, then everything would have matching 5.25" drivers.Option 2:
This option makes more sense, I suppose, regarding the driver sizes of the fronts and surrounds, as in this option the surrounds have comparable or smaller sized drivers to the fronts (but as I said above, there really is no good reason the surrounds can't have larger drivers than the fronts as in your Option 1, either). But you could use the iQ1s as your surrounds with this setup and it wouldn't be too different from using the iQ3s as surrounds. Since this setup is mainly for movies, and since they are the surround speakers and get the least amount of "use" in a HT setup, it's really hard to argue a case for the iQ3s over the iQ1s, especially if you have a budget (as most of us do). Same for the iQ5s as surrounds; they're just really not necessary.
But you have many more options than just those 2. There's the 4 iQ3s with a iQ6c (again, skip the iQ2c, especially if pairing it with the 6.5" driver speakers). And you asked about 4 iQ5s and an iQ6c. Not a bad setup at all and you don't have to use any stands. There IS something to be said for having as many matching speakers as possible with either one of those 2 setups. There is even 4 iQ1s and an iQ2c/iQ6c. This setup would provide the least amount of output but, depending upon ho large your space is and how nice a subwoofer you get, this option works and also represents the smallest speakers if the WAF is that important.
So, you have a whole bunch of options; maybe TOO many. KEF almost offers too many speakers in this series. And I've probably contradicted myself here a few times with my recommendations (like using the iQ5s towers as rear speakers). In the end, you've got to make the decision based upon your specific needs. Towers are sometinmes easier to deal with as you don't have to worry about stands. But, generally, comaprable bookshelves will be cheaper, although you WILL have to do something about stands. Except for the extremes of 4 iQ9s/iQ6c (largest speakers) or 4 iQ1s/iQ2c (smallest speakers), most of your MANY options in between those are mainly aesthetic.
I do think it is unfortunate that they don't offer a center with at least one 6.5" driver in this series, if not a 6.5" driver with the 2 flanking 6.5" LF units. This would be a better match, I think, for the iQ7s and especially for the iQ9s.
And regarding your surround speakers, I did not mean to steer you from the iQ8ds surrounds. Some people DO prefer the more diffuse and enveloping sound that surround-specific speakers offer over direct-radiating monopoles, especially for mainly-movie setups. But, personally, I feel that the sound engineer, who uses direct-radiating monopoles in the studio, will mix any necessary ambiance properly into the soundtrack. And I also feel that surround-specific speakers are very limiting in their placement options as well as in their utility, as they can only be used for one thing - as surround speakers. If you should in the future decide to sell them or use them in another setup, standard speakers offer much more flexibility.
Sorry, but I'm not even going to start discussing subwoofers!
I'd recommend you post subwoofer questions in the subwoofer forums.
Hope this has helped and not confused things further.