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post #4321 of 6604
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Originally Posted by St LEGEND View Post

Hi Kef,

If the new R series Uni-Q is very close to the blade version and the blade is a step above the Reference line, then the question has to be asked if the new R series is on par with the current Reference line or if it is replacing the current reference while the Blade series becomes the new King of the hill....Maybe that's what the R stands for?

There is still a significant difference between the Reference Series and R-Series. The R does not stand for reference.
post #4322 of 6604
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Originally Posted by KEFAmerica View Post

There is still a significant difference between the Reference Series and R-Series. The R does not stand for reference.

Thanks Kef! I guess i will find out just how significant a difference we are talking about next week when i go to CEDIA. I want to compare them to PSB synchrony one and Kef reference because one of this three speakers will end up in my house.
post #4323 of 6604
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Originally Posted by FTracy3 View Post

Now that this line is being discontinued they have some pretty good prices and are on my short list of speakers (OK, it's not that short) I'm considering. But it's really hard to find reviews and feedback. Any owners out there care to share their thoughts on how they are for music and HT--in that order--and especially how they compare to others in the under $3k price range? I'm also looking at Aperions, Axioms, Mythos, Mirage, PSB synchorny (I know..above 3k), Swan, Paradigm studio, among others. Am replacing an AV123 system with Rocket 750 (original crossovers, not the fix from Skiing Ninja)
as fronts which just don't do it musically--My cheaper PSB entry towers sound way better for music. Anyway would love to hear from some XQ40 users

I have the XQ40s. They are very detailed with exceptional mids and great highs. Bass is very good but limited in that you only have two 6 ½” woofers as compared to models with multiple 8”s or more. I had Kef Reference 103/4s prior – essentially the same number of drivers and sizes but a different arrangement. I run a sub with these, currently a Velodyne Optimum 12.

I will try to provide some frame of reference. I was able to compare the 103/4s to some lower mid and mid line Paradigms and the discontinued B&W CM7s. The Paradigms sounded muffled in comparison. The CM7s were closer but the Kefs still left them in detail and clarity, especially in the midrange. Thus I did not pursue the CM9s. I never AB’d the XQ40s and the 103/4s but I believe they are somewhat similar but I would give the 103/4s the edge before age caught up to them.

The XQ40s (and the XQ50c) look fantastic. Spikes are difficult to get solid stability on carpet, much like the 103s – a weak point on both.

I auditioned the Aperion Grand Verus Towers and was able to AB them with the XQ40s (the XQs were brand new at the time, not broke in). For 2.0 music, they were close. The Grand Verus had a slight edge in bass extension where the XQ40s held the edge in detail and highs. The Kefs are easier to place and look better, although the Aperions are solid and have a very good finish. For me in Home Theater, the Kef systems were the clear winners – either my old or new. Where the Verus center works well with Verus Towers for music (SACD), it seemed a bit lacking in clarity for HT. The Aperions are an exceptional value but need a slightly bigger room than what I have (13 x 16 x 9) as they are rear ported.

I have not heard any recent Mirage speakers and have never heard PSB, although I would like to. I did get to listen to the new Golden Ears and while they can be impressive on a lot of music (built in subs), to me they came up quite short in the mids and cross over to the highs. The strings on Neil Diamond’s Hot August Night Prologue or the vocals by the Indigo Girls did not sound right. There may have been something wrong with that pair but they did not meet the hype. Vandersteen 2ce Signature IIs ($2500/pr) powered by about $10 k in separates were pretty amazing but a bit harsh in the treble. Mids and highs are adjustable so had to turn the highs down. Just like the Golden Ears, the Vandersteens are almost all cloth covered so less money in cabinets. The Vandy’s were a lot better than the ones I heard 20 years ago – I was impressed.

I believe for the money with these being discontinued, you will have hard time finding anything with the looks, detail and clarity of the XQ40s. If you have the room and some strong ($) electronics, the Vandy’s are an exceptional deal at standard price. If you want to pay the return shipping, I am guessing you could get XQ40s from Vanns and the Synchrony Twos(?) from Crutchfield and return the ones you like less. Hope this helps.

I am waiting to see the new R900s. If they would work in my room….
post #4324 of 6604
Thanks for the review.
I never hear any Kef before except xq5 briefly a few days ago.
I was not very impressed.
So was wonder if the xq40 is much better than xq5.

Also have you hear CM9? How do you compare it to the xq40 directly since now their price are pretty close.


As to the finish, the xq5 I saw was silver. It is kind of like glossy piano finish, just not in black. But I found it looks like plastic.

How about xq40 glossy black finish? I think mahogany look really nice from picture, but not sure if it fit my room.

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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post
I have the XQ40s. They are very detailed with exceptional mids and great highs. Bass is very good but limited in that you only have two 6 ½ woofers as compared to models with multiple 8s or more. I had Kef Reference 103/4s prior - essentially the same number of drivers and sizes but a different arrangement. I run a sub with these, currently a Velodyne Optimum 12.

I will try to provide some frame of reference. I was able to compare the 103/4s to some lower mid and mid line Paradigms and the discontinued B&W CM7s. The Paradigms sounded muffled in comparison. The CM7s were closer but the Kefs still left them in detail and clarity, especially in the midrange. Thus I did not pursue the CM9s. I never AB'd the XQ40s and the 103/4s but I believe they are somewhat similar but I would give the 103/4s the edge before age caught up to them.

The XQ40s (and the XQ50c) look fantastic. Spikes are difficult to get solid stability on carpet, much like the 103s - a weak point on both.

I auditioned the Aperion Grand Verus Towers and was able to AB them with the XQ40s (the XQs were brand new at the time, not broke in). For 2.0 music, they were close. The Grand Verus had a slight edge in bass extension where the XQ40s held the edge in detail and highs. The Kefs are easier to place and look better, although the Aperions are solid and have a very good finish. For me in Home Theater, the Kef systems were the clear winners - either my old or new. Where the Verus center works well with Verus Towers for music (SACD), it seemed a bit lacking in clarity for HT. The Aperions are an exceptional value but need a slightly bigger room than what I have (13 x 16 x 9) as they are rear ported.

I have not heard any recent Mirage speakers and have never heard PSB, although I would like to. I did get to listen to the new Golden Ears and while they can be impressive on a lot of music (built in subs), to me they came up quite short in the mids and cross over to the highs. The strings on Neil Diamond's Hot August Night Prologue or the vocals by the Indigo Girls did not sound right. There may have been something wrong with that pair but they did not meet the hype. Vandersteen 2ce Signature IIs ($2500/pr) powered by about $10 k in separates were pretty amazing but a bit harsh in the treble. Mids and highs are adjustable so had to turn the highs down. Just like the Golden Ears, the Vandersteens are almost all cloth covered so less money in cabinets. The Vandy's were a lot better than the ones I heard 20 years ago - I was impressed.

I believe for the money with these being discontinued, you will have hard time finding anything with the looks, detail and clarity of the XQ40s. If you have the room and some strong ($) electronics, the Vandy's are an exceptional deal at standard price. If you want to pay the return shipping, I am guessing you could get XQ40s from Vanns and the Synchrony Twos(?) from Crutchfield and return the ones you like less. Hope this helps.

I am waiting to see the new R900s. If they would work in my room.
post #4325 of 6604
I have not heard the XQ5s so I can not comment on them. I have not heard the CM9s either. I did AB my old 103/4s with CM7s when I was seriously planning to get CM9s with the CMC2 - I had a great deal lined up on them. After hearing the CM7s I did more research on the CM9s and then ended the CM9 plan. I then decided to try the Aperion Grand Versus Towers with the Center. I think the Aperions were very good.

The gloss black finish on the XQ40s is very nice, like a high end piano. I think they look great.

Speakers are a personal choice. I went shopping with a friend and he just wanted lots of dynamics and bass, not interested in detail. Gaming and HT, in that order was his priorities. For that, you would probably not want to spend that much on the XQ40s (I am sure the CM9s also) as others can do better on bass. I enjoy rock, alternative rock, etc. but I also enjoy hearing things in the music that you miss on many systems.
post #4326 of 6604
I was curious about the XQ5s and did some looking. My guess is the XQ40s have a better tweeter setup resolving some intermittent harshness, but a lot of the feedback on the 5s seems to mirror the 40s. If you did not like the XQ5s, you will probably not be happy with the XQ40s. The finish on the newer XQ line appears much better.

The other piece of this equation is what do you have space for. My room limits what I can use, the XQ40s fit perfect. 803Ds might work in my room but that would be the absolute maximum. Currently the 40s are about 14" from the wall which is all I can get without impeding the entrance to the room. My experience is that bigger spaces allow better sound unless you focus on treatments.

One last point. Another thing I love about the Kefs I've owned is that they sound good at lower volumes. For example, I considered the Studio 100s but reviews indicated that they needed to be turned up to sound good, not what I need to maintain my hearing or keep peace at home.

Good luck on what you end up choosing.
post #4327 of 6604
if you don't like the xq5's then you wont like the xq40. They are extremely revealing in details. their weak point is bass. The newer xqxo have some of the best finishing i've ever seen especially the mahogany red.
post #4328 of 6604
The R series has made the Kef website. No individual product data but family write-up. Definitely not just an upgraded Q line. Can't wait for the reviews.
post #4329 of 6604
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

The R series has made the Kef website. No individual product data but family write-up. Definitely not just an upgraded Q line. Can't wait for the reviews.

They look FANTASTIC!!! I can't wait to hear them at CEDIA, if they sound as good as the synchrony one i'll probably go for them with looks like that

They also have the same tweeter as the KEF Blade which was a suprise. Here are some details people might be interested in:



The new KEF R Series will be available in October 2011.

The R Series range includes:

Floor-Standing Loudspeakers

R500 – Three-way floor-standing speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1” HF, 5” MF; Two 5.25” LF drivers. Retail: $1,299.99/each

R700 – Three-way floor-standing speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1” HF, 5” MF; Two 6.5” LF drivers. Retail: $1,799.99/each

R900 – Three-way floor-standing speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1” HF, 5” MF; Two 8” LF drivers. Retail: $2,499.99/each

Bookshelf Loudspeakers

R100 – Two-way bookshelf speaker; Uni-Q driver array: 1” HF, 5.25” MF. Retail: $1,199.99/pair

R300 – Three-way bookshelf speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1” HF, 5” MF; One 6.5” LF driver. Retail: $1,799.99/pair

Home Theater Loudspeakers

R200c – Three-way center channel speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1” HF, 5” MF; Two 5.25” LF drivers. Retail: $999.99/each

R600c – Three-way center channel speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1” HF, 5” MF; Two 6.5” LF drivers. Retail: $1,499.99/each

R800ds – Three-way dipole speaker; Contains two Uni-Q driver arrays, consisting of two 1” HFs, two 5.25” MF. Retail: $1,799.99/pair

R400b – Powered subwoofer; Driver array: 9” LF. Retail: $1,699.99/each
post #4330 of 6604
Hi Newbee here looking for some advice, I'm interested in the xq 30 & xq 40 which would suit my room size of 5m by 4m opening up to kitchen & dining room of 3m by 7, help most appreciated
post #4331 of 6604
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Originally Posted by St LEGEND View Post

They look FANTASTIC!!! I can't wait to hear them at CEDIA, if they sound as good as the synchrony one i'll probably go for them with looks like that

They also have the same tweeter as the KEF Blade which was a suprise. Here are some details people might be interested in:



The new KEF R Series will be available in October 2011.

The R Series range includes:

Floor-Standing Loudspeakers

R500 - Three-way floor-standing speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1 HF, 5 MF; Two 5.25 LF drivers. Retail: $1,299.99/each

R700 - Three-way floor-standing speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1 HF, 5 MF; Two 6.5 LF drivers. Retail: $1,799.99/each

R900 - Three-way floor-standing speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1 HF, 5 MF; Two 8 LF drivers. Retail: $2,499.99/each

Bookshelf Loudspeakers

R100 - Two-way bookshelf speaker; Uni-Q driver array: 1 HF, 5.25 MF. Retail: $1,199.99/pair

R300 - Three-way bookshelf speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1 HF, 5 MF; One 6.5 LF driver. Retail: $1,799.99/pair

Home Theater Loudspeakers

R200c - Three-way center channel speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1 HF, 5 MF; Two 5.25 LF drivers. Retail: $999.99/each

R600c - Three-way center channel speaker; Uni-Q driver array consists of 1 HF, 5 MF; Two 6.5 LF drivers. Retail: $1,499.99/each

R800ds - Three-way dipole speaker; Contains two Uni-Q driver arrays, consisting of two 1 HFs, two 5.25 MF. Retail: $1,799.99/pair

R400b - Powered subwoofer; Driver array: 9 LF. Retail: $1,699.99/each

They are quite a step up in price from the Q series "sale" princing.....
post #4332 of 6604
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Originally Posted by 96redformula View Post
They are quite a step up in price from the Q series "sale" princing.....
I do think that the bookshelves especially the R300 are still ok considering that they are 3way speakers and the quality of the drivers, but the R900s are just begining to approach ridiculous when compared to the R500's price and they have the same amount of drivers (yes, i know R900 has bigger bass drivers but still)...the jump in prices between the towers are too drastic (about $3000 difference between 500 and 900) for the same number of drivers especially if you note that they have the same exact MF and HF drivers. IMHO
post #4333 of 6604
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Originally Posted by tanishq02 View Post
Anyone???
I have a T305 system, similar to the T205 you're interested in.... powered by a Denon 1911.

Coming from a B&W set-up, I thought the KEFs were a little harsh (not as warm as the B&W) but as I get used to them, I'm pleased with the crispness, and the warmth is not lacking.

Audessey seems to crank up the sub to insane levels, so I usually leave it in "clean" un-processed mode.

I'm enjoying them, they fade into the background and all you have is the sound.

The T305/205/105 seems to be the most talked about, but least written about system in on the planet.
post #4334 of 6604
Recently I got a pioneer sc-37 av receiver, anyone know if that match well with xq speaker?
I use it probably 60/40 for music (classic/jazz) / movie.

I heard xq are not very warm. (Still trying to demo a xq30/40).

Thanks.
post #4335 of 6604
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Originally Posted by Blue River View Post

Recently I got a pioneer sc-37 av receiver, anyone know if that match well with xq speaker?
I use it probably 60/40 for music (classic/jazz) / movie.

I heard xq are not very warm. (Still trying to demo a xq30/40).

Thanks.

Yeah, I think the SC37 will sound great with any great sounding speakers, and sound not-so-great with any not-so-great-sounding speakers.

So why do you prefer the XQ over the new Q?
post #4336 of 6604
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Originally Posted by spindoctor View Post

I have a T305 system, similar to the T205 you're interested in.... powered by a Denon 1911.

Coming from a B&W set-up, I thought the KEFs were a little harsh (not as warm as the B&W) but as I get used to them, I'm pleased with the crispness, and the warmth is not lacking.

Audessey seems to crank up the sub to insane levels, so I usually leave it in "clean" un-processed mode.

I'm enjoying them, they fade into the background and all you have is the sound.

The T305/205/105 seems to be the most talked about, but least written about system in on the planet.

Thanks for getting back to me. At least I found someone with similar setup as mine. I have my T205 system hooked up with Denon AVR-2112ci. I do agree with with crispness on this system.

What do you mean by this "Audessey seems to crank up the sub to insane levels, so I usually leave it in "clean" un-processed mode. " ???
how do you make it to "clean" un-processed mode?
post #4337 of 6604
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post
Yeah, I think the SC37 will sound great with any great sounding speakers, and sound not-so-great with any not-so-great-sounding speakers.

So why do you prefer the XQ over the new Q?
I like the build and finish of XQ.

If you mean the new R, then I am still waiting for the reviews.

What I would like to know is if they work *together* well or not?
I know the sc has enough power to drive the xq, but how about sound quality? Will they be too bright together, etc..?

I am pretty new to all these.

Thanks in advance.
post #4338 of 6604
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Originally Posted by tanishq02 View Post

What do you mean by this "Audessey seems to crank up the sub to insane levels, so I usually leave it in "clean" un-processed mode. " ???
how do you make it to "clean" un-processed mode?

Well, IMHO, the Denon audyssey processing seems to result in a "sub"-heavy sound, where the sub is almost always present and seems to overwhelm audio details.
After playing with almost all the configurations and settings, I performed a factory reset, and left audyssey off. No A/V receiver sound processing.
post #4339 of 6604
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Originally Posted by Blue River View Post


What I would like to know is if they work *together* well or not?
I know the sc has enough power to drive the xq, but how about sound quality? Will they be too bright together, etc..?

I am pretty new to all these.

Thanks in advance.

The Pioneer SC37 AVR will not sound bright. It's frequency response from 20Hz - 20kHz is +/-0.5dB.

However, I can't say much about the KEF XQ towers since I don't know their frequency response measurements.

I can tell you that the KEF Q900's frequency response tapers down from 10kHz - 20kHz (treble), so the Q900 will not sound bright. The Q900 has superb speaker measurements, and possibly better than the older XQ series.
post #4340 of 6604
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Originally Posted by spindoctor View Post

After playing with almost all the configurations and settings, I performed a factory reset, and left audyssey off. No A/V receiver sound processing.

I also turn Audyssey OFF (Denon AVP-A1HDCI & AVR-5308CI) after experimenting numerous times with different speakers (Def Tech BP7000SC, Linkwitz Orion, Revel Salon2, KEF 201/2).
post #4341 of 6604
Looks like Vanns got the IQ90's in stock today after being out for quite a while. Black finish
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it..._c=site_search
post #4342 of 6604
Friend of mine here in W. WA has a full set of the newer iQ series (90's, 60c, 10's, I believe) he'd like to unload. If you're interested, PM me and I can put you in contact with him. He's a stand-up guy.. used to do HT installs in the area.
post #4343 of 6604
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Originally Posted by spindoctor View Post

Well, IMHO, the Denon audyssey processing seems to result in a "sub"-heavy sound, where the sub is almost always present and seems to overwhelm audio details.

Your opinion here seems unusual. If anything, most people complaining about Audyssey think the sub ends up set too soft by a few decibels. But you can end up with a bass-heavy Audyssey calibration if ...

---you don't use the Audyssey mic that came with your receiver

---the mic is broken

---you fail to carefully follow the available instructions for mic placement during calibration:
http://www.audyssey.com/audio-technology/multeq/how-to
and
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895

---you have DynamicEQ turned on and are listening at low levels (the bass is louder at low volumes with this feature on)

---you have a small or very well damped listening room and are using Audyssey's normal or Reference setting (which intentionally rolls off the highs) instead of Audyssey Flat (which doesn't)

---your AVR is set up to send full range signals to your speakers AND also to the sub (which is often called "double bass")

I'd add that MultiEQ 32 has a much higher resolution in dealing with calibration of a sub than the one-step-down MultiEQ.
post #4344 of 6604
Can anybody who went to CEDIA report on how the new R series sounded?
post #4345 of 6604
Guys

What's your opinion on replacing the front l+r 5005.2 speakers with q300's? I'm looking to improve stereo playback.
Would the timbre mismatch between the q300's and center/side be a problem for movies/surround?

Thanks
post #4346 of 6604
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

Can anybody who went to CEDIA report on how the new R series sounded?

I went to CEDIA and saw these speakers in person, they looked gorgeous in piano black and smaller than their pictures suggest especially the R900 but unfortunately they were not hooked up so i couldn't hear them, neither were the reference. But the Blade speakers from which most of the R series tech came from was on display and all i can say about the sound is WOW, WOW and WOW again!

If you've ever been to a show floor you know its the worst enviroment possible for any speaker to played in but I guess no one told these speakers because even though there was noise every where, no walls or ceilling, the Blade speakers just kept belting out amazing sound notes one after the other, but this act of defiance wasn't carried out alone...no sir, they had two Parasound monoblocks as their partners in crime.

I told johan (the Kef guy that's in all their youtube videos and head of sales team..great guy) to show me what these bad boys can do with a Piano track and he reached for his demo discs and pulled out Craig Armstrong's "Piano Works" CD...HOLY S**T, i have never heard the sound of a Piano reproduced like that before much less under such horrible conditions (but then again i've never heard a $30,000 speaker before ) No speaker has enchanted me like that before, not even the B&W802D came anywhere close to making me feel like that.

Next I told Johan to play track 5 of a CD i just acquired days before, Ray Charles Genius loves Company, the track was "Fever" featuring Natalie cole (Monster Music release), he poped it in and everybody at the KEF both just stoped and turned their attention to the Blade and you could see several people swaying and snaping as the Blade reproduced the bass line from the track with aplomb, and when the vocals from Ray charles and Natalie Cole came in, it was smiles all around....you could tell that Johan was especially pleased with himself seeing how people reacted to this track. I think he takes great pleasure in blowing people's minds lol

I went to the KEF booth everyday of the show just to listen to the Blades and the KEF guys all know me know when they see me they say, you're back James? Yep, I'm back. But their sales team are filled with good guys and we were just exchanging emails these morning talking about the R series availability, so here a few details that might interest you jima4a

1) Looks like the first set of production batch will arrive 1st week of october..at least at Kef Direct website, idk about dealers.

2) I asked Johan if the Blade is a 100% of the sound what percentage is the R series and he said 75%...i didn't say anything but i disagree with this number for the reasons stated below

3) The R series out performs the previous reference (not the current reference but the 207 before they became the 207/2) and they said its 95% of the sound of the current reference. ( All the Kef guys said this, i think its part of the selling points)

4) The R has the same exact tweeter as the Blade except its 1" instead of 1.5"
5) The uni-Q is very close to the blade but for some minor tweeks like having a 1.5" voice coil instead of a 3" and i noticed Li and LCP are not part of the material used to for the R uni-Q while the Blade has Li-Mg-Al and braced by LCP

6) And ofcourse the cabinet of the Blade is completely Inert, i couldn't feel anything as i placed my hands on it during a bass heavy track.. nothing, nada! I seriouly doubt the R series is that inert.

And this is why i believe that the R series has to be at least 85% of the blade's sound as they have the same tweeter so the i expect no HF difference, the uni-Q is sooo close so I expect at most an 8% MF difference and the remaining 7% i chuck up to imaging, bass, and all those other good stuff. This is ofcourse entirely guess work on my part with no basis in science or fact, just based on what KEF folks that have heard both told me and the spec sheet.

I hope the little info I have was helpful to you Jima4a.
post #4347 of 6604
St Legend,

Thanks for the feedback on Blades and your estimates on the R series. I would love to hear the Blades, they must be amazing - feedback (2nd I've seen) seems to indicate they surpass Kef Reference and B&W Diamond by a fair bit, which is saying a lot. I can't wait to see a proper review on them.
post #4348 of 6604
Any KEF Reference owners in the Seattle area that would be willing to provide an audition to a well-mannered and trustworthy fellow AVSer (me)? Preferably the 201/2, but 203's or 205's would work too. I won't come empty handed.
post #4349 of 6604
Well manored huh?
Highly suspect
post #4350 of 6604
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Well manored huh?
Highly suspect

Quit stalking me bleotch!

So have you managed to find a way to squeeze twelve subs into your room yet?
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