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post #5311 of 6592
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

I have the DHC80.3, prepro not receiver. I am questioning the match. Unless I have it in Direct, some music is harsh even at lower volumes. I just level matched to be sure.

I suspect that Onkyos always have processing on that tries to time align the frequencies which destroys the sound of the more energetic music. It's like everything is distorted and out of phase. It can't be disabled. I've heard the same effect on the NR1009 and NR3009. My pioneer had something called "phase control" that made music sound artificial.
post #5312 of 6592
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

I have the DHC80.3, prepro not receiver. I am questioning the match. Unless I have it in Direct, some music is harsh even at lower volumes. I just level matched to be sure.

May I ask why you're listening to music in anything other than direct/pure audio, or stereo modes? Music is recorded and mastered for 2-channel audio, unless you're using a SACD or DVD-A as your source. I really never liked any DSP mode for music in the first place. All those modes do is pollute the source signal. Anyway, every receiver I own is either an Onkyo or an Integra (and I have 5 or 6 AVRs and pre/pro/amp setups at present) and most of my speakers are KEF Reference series. I haven't had any problem with them, even on my 2-channel setup, and when using my HT system to listen to music (which is always in 2 channel mode, unless it's in all channel stereo, which is just for background music if I have people over of something)
post #5313 of 6592
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Originally Posted by 6SpeedTA95 View Post

Q900's definitely on the list but I'm reading the R series images a lot better and sounds far more open and clear without a hint of harshness that it has me thinking strongly about the R series.

I've heard the R's at two audio shows, and while they were nice, they didn't come off any better than what I hear at home with the Q900's. However, I suspect my room lends itself better than either show room did. That said, I personally didn't feel the need to upgrade to the new R's.
post #5314 of 6592
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Originally Posted by GlassWolf View Post

May I ask why you're listening to music in anything other than direct/pure audio, or stereo modes? Music is recorded and mastered for 2-channel audio, unless you're using a SACD or DVD-A as your source. I really never liked any DSP mode for music in the first place. All those modes do is pollute the source signal. Anyway, every receiver I own is either an Onkyo or an Integra (and I have 5 or 6 AVRs and pre/pro/amp setups at present) and most of my speakers are KEF Reference series. I haven't had any problem with them, even on my 2-channel setup, and when using my HT system to listen to music (which is always in 2 channel mode, unless it's in all channel stereo, which is just for background music if I have people over of something)

The harshness exists either in multichannel or stereo (w/sub) but not direct (no sub). I have never been a fan of DSP either but I was hoping not to need an Analog Preamp w/HT bypass. More expense and more cables.
post #5315 of 6592
Hey guys, just graduated and about to move out of my apartment and into a new house. The living room in the new house is 17'x20' with 10' ceilings. Currently this is my setup:

- Energy C-500's
- Energy CC-100
- Energy C-100's
- PA 120 sub
- Yamaha 663

We watch movies quite a bit, but also listen to music quite often too. I hate the old "out of 100%, what percentage is movies and what is music?" because I believe it should reproduce each accurately. Music is my main concern though because if it can do music well, I'm sure it can do movies well. Currently I stream all my music from an optical from my built PC to the 663 in lossless format. At some point I'll pick up a DAC and possibly an external amp for the fronts, but that will likely be last and only if I really feel bored lol. Not quite sure of the budget, but I'd say around $700-1,200 for the front is reasonable. Been looking at:


KEF Q (900, 700, 500, 300) {will be auditioning these, the R's and possibly the 201/2's, etc soon!}
B&W CM8 & respective monitors
Energy RC-70's (should these even be in the same field?)
...and a few others.


Just getting back into the swing of things in Home Audio. Been in car audio for awhile and the car sounds absolutely incredible now!! Anyways, I'll ask for purposes of seeing replies on the topic of "bookshelves/sub or floorstanders/with sub most likely?"?? It's a large area to fill, but the main point is MORE CONE AREA = LESS DISTORTION with all else being equal (and it usually is within the same speaker line). Anywho, anyone have any suggestions of other manuf. to look at, rough estimate for what I should be asking for the C-series stuff or anything else??

Thanks guys! smile.gif
post #5316 of 6592
I am getting the itch to upgrade the IQ90s. Really considering saving up for the Reference 203/2. Also considering the Focal Electra 1028 Be. I will probably go listen to them once I am closer to my goal but I was just wondering if anyone compared these two.
post #5317 of 6592
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

The harshness exists either in multichannel or stereo (w/sub) but not direct (no sub). I have never been a fan of DSP either but I was hoping not to need an Analog Preamp w/HT bypass. More expense and more cables.

That just seems really weird to me. It may be a DSP board issue with your receiver/controller specifically. I've never experienced that issue, myself. I have tried out the various DSP modes on my Onkyos/Integras, but never had them come across as 'harsh' in any mode, although I did have my old DS797 serviced under warranty years back when I bought it, due to a bad DSP board causing a clicking in the left channels in any DSP mode.
post #5318 of 6592
In trying to sort out exactly what I was hearing I tried to compare Direct to Stereo with no sub in the configuration. Level matched Stereo had more harshness and Sibilance but was more full, i.e more bass. Discovered Audyssey Dynamic EQ was on and then ran out of time to evaluate the impact of that change. Quick listen did seem better but need to redo the comparison.
post #5319 of 6592
Oh yeah, forgot about Audyssey. That can make a big difference. That's especially true depending on your environmental variables.
post #5320 of 6592
Just bought two iq70 towers and a matching iq60c from newegg from their one day sale.

249 per tower and 249 for the center.

Hope it was a good deal. Pairing this with a kilpsch rw12d.

About to buy either a denon 3312ci or possibly 2312ci.

Any feedback on which receiver will best power the speakers?

This is going in a really large room in my new townhome.

Thx, can't wait for my kef's!
post #5321 of 6592
iQ70 are $200 each w/promo code!!! WHY did I let me wife talk me into not buying them. I've wanted to try some KEF towers for some time now. But, alas, the voice of reason chimed in mad.gif

Hope someone else takes advantage of this deal!!!!
post #5322 of 6592
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Originally Posted by ragincajun5220 View Post

Just bought two iq70 towers and a matching iq60c from newegg from their one day sale.
249 per tower and 249 for the center.
Hope it was a good deal. Pairing this with a kilpsch rw12d.
About to buy either a denon 3312ci or possibly 2312ci.
Any feedback on which receiver will best power the speakers?
This is going in a really large room in my new townhome.
Thx, can't wait for my kef's!
Congrats on your new Kefs! cool.gif 3312ci would be quite good with those.
post #5323 of 6592
Slowly building my system. I currently have KEF XQ40 for fronts (two chl), HK 990 amp.,Onkyo 3010 avr, all still in box. Have older DEF Tech 15" sub & ctr. speaker. Also older Advent Prodigy 2 spkrs. I'm about out of disposable $$$$. Will the Advents, or Def Techs detract much from the rest? If so, what would be noticbly better ?
post #5324 of 6592
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Originally Posted by Wannebe View Post

Slowly building my system. I currently have KEF XQ40 for fronts (two chl), HK 990 amp.,Onkyo 3010 avr, all still in box. Have older DEF Tech 15" sub & ctr. speaker. Also older Advent Prodigy 2 spkrs. I'm about out of disposable $$$$. Will the Advents, or Def Techs detract much from the rest? If so, what would be noticbly better ?

Depending on how neutral the center speaker is it may work fine. Try it first. If you are only using it for HT and not multichannel music it may not be an issue.

Again, for HT surrounds are less important so what you hVe should work. Multichannel music they all become more important to match in timbre.
Edited by jima4a - 8/23/12 at 11:14am
post #5325 of 6592
Could I ask some help from some forum members who own the Q900 speakers ?

I recently purchased a used set with a bum driver. I noticed when checking it out the passive radiators have more of a modern rubber surround found on most drivers today. But my UniQ drivers and "Active" woofer drivers have more of a weak old school foam surround. Can anyone check theirs and see if they have the same setup ? These speakers now have me wondering what is going on.

I ordered some replacement woofers to fix these and the new ones came with rubber foam surrounds just like the passive radiators. I thought this was very odd and maybe they changed over to rubber at some point.

Anyone who can check their speakers I would really appreciate it so I can put my curiosity to rest that someone re-foamed these at some point or something. Very odd.
post #5326 of 6592
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Originally Posted by bruman View Post

Could I ask some help from some forum members who own the Q900 speakers ?
I recently purchased a used set with a bum driver. I noticed when checking it out the passive radiators have more of a modern rubber surround found on most drivers today. But my UniQ drivers and "Active" woofer drivers have more of a weak old school foam surround. Can anyone check theirs and see if they have the same setup ? These speakers now have me wondering what is going on.
I ordered some replacement woofers to fix these and the new ones came with rubber foam surrounds just like the passive radiators. I thought this was very odd and maybe they changed over to rubber at some point.
Anyone who can check their speakers I would really appreciate it so I can put my curiosity to rest that someone re-foamed these at some point or something. Very odd.

Mine are all rubber. The top and third drivers have less stiffer feeling surrounds than the second and fourth (from the top).
Edited by Jive Turkey - 8/26/12 at 5:22pm
post #5327 of 6592
Mine have the same thinner but it is very thin and doesn't feel like rubber to me.

I have a lot of experience putting new surrounds on speakers and these look and feel more like foam than rubber.

Thanks for the input, it is very odd that they sent me a LF driver that has the same stiffer rubber surround as the passive radiators. Not like the LF drivers that came with the speakers.
post #5328 of 6592
Just ordered a set of iq70's and an iq60c center! Can't wait to get them set up! Anyone using these 3 up front also? How do you like them? Mostly movie watching here.
post #5329 of 6592
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Originally Posted by Popeeta View Post

Just ordered a set of iq70's and an iq60c center! Can't wait to get them set up! Anyone using these 3 up front also? How do you like them? Mostly movie watching here.

did u get them from newegg?

thats where i got mine, they had amazing deals. 249 for each one

i havent set mine up yet because my new house isnt done yet, but i will be running mine with an onkyo 809 and planning on bi-amping the iq70s...

let us know how it goes when you hook them up? what avr are you using?
post #5330 of 6592
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

Congrats on your new Kefs! cool.gif 3312ci would be quite good with those.

thx man, cant wait to hook em up.

i ended up getting a great deal on a new onkyo nr809 from the local frys, so i plan on running that.

i was planning on bi-amping the fronts since i will only be using 5.1, not 7.1. any thouhgts on that?
post #5331 of 6592
I recently purchased KEF C-series 5.1, which includes: C7, C3, C4, C6LCR
I was offered a sweet deal on a Denon 1713 at a local Best Buy.
Now that I connected both the reciever and only the 2x C7s, and they sound great so far, I have yet to wire the rest.
I have 2 more weeks left to return the reciever, and am a bit concerned with the lack of power on the Denon AVR-1713.
My current situation:
I moved into a new apartment. It's in a small building and not very much sound proofing in the walls. I don't want to piss of the neighbours. My living room is a fairly large open concept space that also is part of the kitchen. It sounds very hollow for the time being until I purchase/move in more furniture/stuff.

Will the Denon AVR-1713 be enough? Currently on standard reciever settings I can hear dialog at volume set at 50-60, which seems farily high.
post #5332 of 6592
Hi all -

Been struggling to find that perfect 5.1 set up to work with a family room renovation that we are doing. Like everyone else, trying to combine performance with cost and something that will not stick out like a sore thumb. My wife would say that cost is the main factor, I'd vote performance.. but we both agree they need to work with the room design. Room is a 20x25 room with no back wall (it's an open floor plan, into the kitchen)... and the entire front wall (where the TV, centers and fronts will go) will be shelving. So floor standing speakers are out. And in reality... the main viewing area doesn't use the last 10 feet... so it's more like a 20x15 space, I suppose.

I've been looking at the KEF-KHT3005BL set. Or at least at all the reviews. I haven't read the whole 178 page thread yet, but can someone speak from personal experience on these? Are they powerful enough to really serve that space? We watch a lot of movies, but we will also listen to music... and I don't want to skimp... I want to do this right. I'll be getting a new receiver to go along with it... but for now I'm trying to settle on speakers so I can integrate that into the final plans.

Any input on this set, or perhaps some comparables to look at, would be great.

Thanks,
Frank
post #5333 of 6592
Just using denon avr591 right now. Couldn't afford it all up front. Hopefully the 75 watts can work them well!

Yeah newegg all 3 for $650!

Maybe I'll get a good deal around black Friday on a new receiver. Not planning on 7.1 but maybe bi-amping even though from what I've seen on here there's not much use in that.

Anyways for now, the avr591 and hopefully it'll be good
post #5334 of 6592
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Originally Posted by fmaz View Post

Hi all -

Been struggling to find that perfect 5.1 set up to work with a family room renovation that we are doing. Like everyone else, trying to combine performance with cost and something that will not stick out like a sore thumb. My wife would say that cost is the main factor, I'd vote performance.. but we both agree they need to work with the room design. Room is a 20x25 room with no back wall (it's an open floor plan, into the kitchen)... and the entire front wall (where the TV, centers and fronts will go) will be shelving. So floor standing speakers are out. And in reality... the main viewing area doesn't use the last 10 feet... so it's more like a 20x15 space, I suppose.

I've been looking at the KEF-KHT3005BL set. Or at least at all the reviews. I haven't read the whole 178 page thread yet, but can someone speak from personal experience on these? Are they powerful enough to really serve that space? We watch a lot of movies, but we will also listen to music... and I don't want to skimp... I want to do this right. I'll be getting a new receiver to go along with it... but for now I'm trying to settle on speakers so I can integrate that into the final plans.

Any input on this set, or perhaps some comparables to look at, would be great.

Thanks,
Frank

Frank I have almost the same room dimensions as you. Also open to kitchen and 15" ceilings. I'll let you know how my setup goes next week
post #5335 of 6592
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Originally Posted by Popeeta View Post

Just ordered a set of iq70's and an iq60c center! Can't wait to get them set up! Anyone using these 3 up front also? How do you like them? Mostly movie watching here.

I have these set up in an 11x14 room and went nuts and also purchased the Energy S10.3 sub and the iQ10's for the rears. Still playing with the sub xover, but the combo is great for movies, multi-channel SA CD's, and stereo CD's. so far I'm not having any trouble driving them with a Pio 1021. I haven't figured out which is better for the xover, 50 or 80 Hz with speakers set to small, or setting the speakers to large and just letting the sub handle the LFE channel. It's fun testing and tweaking though.biggrin.gif
post #5336 of 6592
is it impossible to find iq90 in walnut? i see the 70 in black on newegg, but would love to find iq90 and iq60c in walnut
post #5337 of 6592
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Originally Posted by Popeeta View Post

Frank I have almost the same room dimensions as you. Also open to kitchen and 15" ceilings. I'll let you know how my setup goes next week

Look forward to hearing about it! Our ceilings are much lower, though. Only 8 feet.
post #5338 of 6592
I posted this as a new thread but thought to post it in KEF owners thread. Where can I but KEF T205 speaker wires. I have the speakers but dont have the cables
post #5339 of 6592
Just picked up the IQ70's and IQ60c - looking for rear speakers - any suggestions?
post #5340 of 6592
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Originally Posted by bieser23 View Post

Just picked up the IQ70's and IQ60c - looking for rear speakers - any suggestions?

Your front three all have 5 1/4" Uni-Qs so the IQ10s would make a nice match. Congrats on your new Kefs! smile.gif
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