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Originally Posted by PaytonD View Post

That's good to know. I shall give them a try once my room is finally set up properly. Couldn't wait to hear them, so I just quickly hooked them up last evening.

I must say, at low volumes they fill the room nicely, but I was expecting the higher frequencies to be more.... vibrant I suppose. Maybe the plugs will have an effect on that?
I felt exactly the same way about the 300's but after some breakin time and experimenting with the port plugs I have gotten mine dialed in and I am perfectly happy with the results with more " snap " to the mids and highes. Removing the grilles will help as well. My system consists of Q 3OO mains on 29" stands, Q 200 center, Def Tech Super Cube 1 sub, Def Tech BP7006 as surrounds powered by Pioneer Elite SC-27 crossed over at 80Hz.

Yeah, once I get the chance to set them up in the corners and run audyssey (denon 1913) Ill try experimenting with the plugs and get it all figured out.
post #5972 of 6604
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Originally Posted by PaytonD View Post

Yeah, once I get the chance to set them up in the corners and run audyssey (denon 1913) Ill try experimenting with the plugs and get it all figured out.
Should be fun!
post #5973 of 6604
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Originally Posted by PaytonD View Post

..................but I was expecting the higher frequencies to be more.... vibrant I suppose. Maybe the plugs will have an effect on that?
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Originally Posted by PaytonD View Post

...................Ill try experimenting with the plugs and get it all figured out.

The plugs have nothing to do with the high frequencies.
post #5974 of 6604
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Originally Posted by DS-21 View Post

Your ears might adjust to the speakers, but the speakers themselves won't change materially.

Break-in is among the dumber and less logical of the audiophool myths.
I must respectfully disagree on speakers. I auditioned Studio2s ***

Given that you're talking about Harman speakers, some words from their former research head, Dr. Floyd Toole, are warranted. (Emph. added)
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Originally Posted by Dr. Floyd Toole 
In parts of the audio industry, there is a belief that *** loudspeakers need to “break in.” Out of the box, it is assumed that they will not be performing at their best. Proponents vehemently deny that this process has anything to do with adaptation, writing extensively about changes in performance that they claim are easily audible in several aspects of device performance. Yet, the author is not aware of any controlled test in which any consequential audible differences were found, even in loudspeakers, where there would seem to be some oppor- tunities for material changes. A few years ago, to satisfy a determined marketing person, the research group per- formed a test using samples of a loudspeaker that was claimed to benefit from “breaking in.” Measurements before and after the recommended break-in showed no differences in frequency response, except a very tiny change around 30–40 Hz in the one area where break-in effects could be expected: woofer compliance. Careful lis- tening tests revealed no audible differences. None of this was surprising to the engineering staff. It is not clear whether the marketing person was satisfied by the finding. To all of us [engineering staff], this has to be very reassuring because it means that the performance of loudspeakers is stable, except for the known small change in woofer compliance caused by exercising the suspension and the deterioration—breaking down—of foam surrounds and some diaphragm materials with time, moisture, and atmospheric pollutants. It is fascinating to note that “breaking-in” seems always to result in an improvement in performance. Why? Do all mechanical and electrical devices and materials acquire a musical aptitude that is missing in their virgin state? Why is it never reversed, getting worse with use? The reality is that engineers seek out materials, components, and construction methods that do not change with time. Suppose that the sound did improve over time as something broke in. What then? Would it eventually decline, just as wine goes “over the hill”? One can imagine an advertisement for a vintage loudspeaker: “An audiophile dream. Model XX, manufactured 2004, broken in with Mozart, Schubert, and acoustic jazz. Has never played anything more aggressive than the Beatles. Originally $1700/pair. Now at their performance peak—a steal at $3200!”
-Toole, Sound Reproduction (Focal Press 2009), at 353.
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***FWIW with my Q100's - after breaking in the three LCR I compared the extra, unbroken-in Q100 to one of the broken-in Q100's to see if it was my ears that broke in or the speaker. The difference between the two speakers was obvious. So for KEF speakers at least I'm a believer in speaker break in. Of course this doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy them right away - but I would re-run your room correction software again after 20 or 30 hours.

Hmm. I used three KEF Q100s for LCR for over a year, which means I have three that have been played quite a bit and a spare that has literally never seen power. Maybe I should take a listening-position measurement of the a "broken in" and "new" one back-to-back so we can put this "break-in" idiocy to bed.
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Originally Posted by DS-21 View Post

... Hmm. I used three KEF Q100s for LCR for over a year, which means I have three that have been played quite a bit and a spare that has literally never seen power. Maybe I should take a listening-position measurement of the a "broken in" and "new" one back-to-back so we can put this "break-in" idiocy to bed.

Please do - I'd be very interested in what you hear/find-out. It surprised me when I heard a difference. The difference was as much dynamics as it was sound quality.
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Did anyone here replaced the stock jumper cables for Kef Ref 205/2?
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Originally Posted by pinoy ako View Post

Did anyone here replaced the stock jumper cables for Kef Ref 205/2?

Why? The stock ones are fine.
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

All the KEF's I've had took 20-30 hours to fully break in - often the tweeters/highs, a fullness (vs hollowness) in the mids, and a cleaner transition (balance) from the tweeter to the mids were the most noticeable changes.

FWIW with my Q100's - after breaking in the three LCR I compared the extra, unbroken-in Q100 to one of the broken-in Q100's to see if it was my ears that broke in or the speaker. The difference between the two speakers was obvious. So for KEF speakers at least I'm a believer in speaker break in. Of course this doesn't mean you shouldn't enjoy them right away - but I would re-run your room correction software again after 20 or 30 hours.

BTW, I've run both Q100's and Q300 with the SVS SB12-NSD sub - a winning combination wink.gif[/quote

How is that setup working for you? I really want good highs something my Polk towers were missing. I want to go with q600c , q300a up front and maybe another set for the rears and q100 for front highs and back sorounds for a 9.2 system. My rooms 3600 cubic feet do you think that would be loud/ clean enough or should I go with towers.

I have no speaker size constraints only cash $$$ :-)
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Hey Guys i am planning to change my KEF 1005 systems center channel with C6 or HTC3001 Center Channel Speaker. I found 2 deals C6 for $135 and HTC3001 $250 which are open box. Which one do you think will be overall better deal? What i expect is better and higher dialogue sounds on Surround Mode.
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post

Why? The stock ones are fine.

I've read one review and quoted:

"A brief experiment in which I temporarily converted a spare set of fairly good speaker cables into 8’ jumpers confirmed that you should probably forgo KEF’s jumpers entirely and get ones of similar quality to your speaker cables"


Here's the link:

http://www.ultraaudio.com/equipment/kef_reference_203_2.htm
post #5982 of 6604
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Originally Posted by pinoy ako View Post

I've read one review and quoted:

"A brief experiment in which I temporarily converted a spare set of fairly good speaker cables into 8’ jumpers confirmed that you should probably forgo KEF’s jumpers entirely and get ones of similar quality to your speaker cables"


Here's the link:

http://www.ultraaudio.com/equipment/kef_reference_203_2.htm

Those reviewers just don't know what they are talking about. biggrin.gif

8" jumpers are NOT going to make one bit of difference. biggrin.gif

... Except for pure aesthetic reasons. wink.gif
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Hi Acudef,

I am still waiting for my Kef Ref, it really kills me waiting..biggrin.gif

What is the size (awg) of the stock jumper cable of your 201/2? You did not replace it, right?
Do you have any plans to try it?

Does it make sense if your speaker cable type/size should match with your jumper? Some people are bi-wiring, but if you don't do bi-wiring, a matching jumper cable/speaker cable make sense and cheaper.

Jhameeh
Edited by pinoy ako - 5/10/13 at 9:03am
post #5984 of 6604
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Does it make sense if your speaker cable type/size should match with your jumper?

NO
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Would it be ok if I pair my KEF Q500s with a C6 or do I really need to pair with the Q200c?
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Does anyone recommend one speaker stand for R100 surround?
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i heard that hanging them from the ceiling via a 1/4" metal rod works great because it acts as its own dampening device..... run your cables up the rod makes for great cable management and this way you don't have to worry about kids and animals (or an intoxicated self) knocking them over. Just what i heard:rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by techfish View Post

Would it be ok if I pair my KEF Q500s with a C6 or do I really need to pair with the Q200c?

You will get much, much better results with the Q200c as it has a closer timbre match to the Q500's.
post #5989 of 6604
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

You will get much, much better results with the Q200c as it has a closer timbre match to the Q500's.

Thanks, is $380 a good price for the Q200c?
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http://www.accessories4less.com/ has the Q200c for $350.
post #5991 of 6604
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Originally Posted by lemonslush View Post

If you like how the polks sound, thats your answer. Poks in general have a wide soundstage compared to most brands. I find them to be good for music when walking around the room the song sounds the same. Unlike when listening to my Kefs that you really need to be facing the speakers. Also for the money they are hard to beat.

While I will agree with Polk's impressive soundstage I'm not so much in agreement with your description of Kef, but then I don't know which you own. I went from Polk LSi9 to Kef Q300 specifically for their ability to produce a soundstage that is both wide and deep. Due to limited speaker placement in a room that's 30' - 26', it was a big priority. In all honesty I prefer the Polks, but the Kef just work better in my home.
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Originally Posted by DS-21 View Post

Your ears might adjust to the speakers, but the speakers themselves won't change materially.

Break-in is among the dumber and less logical of the audiophool myths.

It's funny how many manufacturers push this, even more so the number of people who buy into it. My question is, how do you know? Does anyone remember what their speakers sounded like 40 hours ago? 4 hours ago? I kinda doubt it. The psychology of purchase justification is all I've got for an explanation.

I thought a Totem dealer was going to punch me a couple of years ago. I had listened to about all I could take about how much better the speakers will be after 100 hours or so, but finally broke when he mentioned the "coup de grace", their magic bullets (or whatever they call them). I politely asked him to save the hype then watched the veins in his forehead dance before he stormed off. Bummer, I really liked the speakers.

If speakers really sounded better over time Audiogon would be as big as ebay, and 'audiophiles' would never buy new.
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+1. It's your EARS that break in. They get accustom to the new sound stage.
post #5994 of 6604
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

http://www.accessories4less.com/ has the Q200c for $350.
Oh wow, thanks!
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Couple of questions for you guys:

1. Anybody in the Greenville, SC area that might let me listen to their Q series speakers?

2. Is it worth the extra money buy Q900 over Q700 and over Q500? I can a pretty much afford all three, but want to make sure they are actually worth the extra $500?

3. Is the Q600c $150 better than the Q200c?

Thanks for the future help!
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Originally Posted by Clemsonfan15 View Post

Couple of questions for you guys:
2. Is it worth the extra money buy Q900 over Q700 and over Q500? I can a pretty much afford all three, but want to make sure they are actually worth the extra $500?

3. Is the Q600c $150 better than the Q200c?

Thanks for the future help!

The Q600c is better matched with Q500/700/900 because of the 6.5-inch driver

Q200c is better with Q100/R-series with its 5.25-inch driver
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The Q600c is better matched with Q500/700/900 because of the 6.5-inch driver

Q200c is better with Q100/R-series with its 5.25-inch driver

Question would a q300 standing be better than the q600c when paired with q900's?
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Originally Posted by Dracore View Post

The Q600c is better matched with Q500/700/900 because of the 6.5-inch driver

Q200c is better with Q100/R-series with its 5.25-inch driver

Actually the Q500 towers have the smaller, 5.25 UniQ driver. I'd amend the above slightly ...

Q600c with Q300/700/800

Q200c with Q100/Q500.

(Though for either a Q300 or Q100 setup I'd probably recommend a third, identical 300/100 as a center.)
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Originally Posted by torphoto View Post

Question would a q300 standing be better than the q600c when paired with q900's?

The Q900 is a large, beefy speaker so I'd worry a Q300 center couldn't keep up. I'd recommend the Q600c.
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Originally Posted by Botika View Post

Does anyone recommend one speaker stand for R100 surround?

Tall ones. I use VTI DF36's for my surrounds. They're inexpensive and decent enough.

I would prefer a stand 10" taller, but found none that were attractive, stable enough, and had internal wire management.

The idea earlier about ceiling-mounting is kind of cool, too, but I think you'd also have to drill a hole into the cabinets. (Not sure if R100s have a mounting bracking built on.)
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***If speakers really sounded better over time Audiogon would be as big as ebay, and 'audiophiles' would never buy new.

Yep.
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