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post #6001 of 6599
Just wondering if this would be possible. Lets say in efforts to have a identical front stage I bought one of the three tower speakers to have as the three identical front stage. I don't have a projector screen so I would still need the speaker to be upright but not block the TV. What if I had my two mains in the traditional spots on right and left side of the tv. But, somehow mounted the center channel upside down at a angle from the ceiling? I bet I could make a wood brace that attaches to the stand and then attach that to the ceiling. Or worst case as a test I use chains to attach the feet to the ceiling.

Would it still sound the same or would the drivers need to be standing upright to sound correct?
post #6002 of 6599
Just wondering if this would be possible. Lets say in efforts to have a identical front stage I bought one of the three tower speakers to have as the three identical front stage. I don't have a projector screen so I would still need the speaker to be upright but not block the TV. What if I had my two mains in the traditional spots on right and left side of the tv. But, somehow mounted the center channel upside down at a angle from the ceiling? I bet I could make a wood brace that attaches to the stand and then attach that to the ceiling. Or worst case as a test I use chains to attach the feet to the ceiling.

Would it still sound the same or would the drivers need to be standing upright to sound correct?
post #6003 of 6599
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Originally Posted by lemonslush View Post

Just wondering if this would be possible. Lets say in efforts to have a identical front stage I bought one of the three tower speakers to have as the three identical front stage. I don't have a projector screen so I would still need the speaker to be upright but not block the TV. What if I had my two mains in the traditional spots on right and left side of the tv. But, somehow mounted the center channel upside down at a angle from the ceiling? I bet I could make a wood brace that attaches to the stand and then attach that to the ceiling. Or worst case as a test I use chains to attach the feet to the ceiling. Would it still sound the same or would the drivers need to be standing upright to sound correct?

the drivers need to be standing upright to sound correct! But you can try and hear for yourself!
post #6004 of 6599
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Originally Posted by lemonslush View Post

Just wondering if this would be possible. Lets say in efforts to have a identical front stage I bought one of the three tower speakers to have as the three identical front stage. I don't have a projector screen so I would still need the speaker to be upright but not block the TV. What if I had my two mains in the traditional spots on right and left side of the tv. But, somehow mounted the center channel upside down at a angle from the ceiling? I bet I could make a wood brace that attaches to the stand and then attach that to the ceiling. Or worst case as a test I use chains to attach the feet to the ceiling.

Would it still sound the same or would the drivers need to be standing upright to sound correct?

The only difference would be that caused by the height difference between the center and left and right.

You could mount all three on the ceiling in the same manner, or raise your TV high enough to clear the center. IMO, the latter is usually the best compromise for someone who prioritizes sound quality over video.

If you do mount all three in the ceiling, adjust the rake, and angles of the L and R speakers, such that all the three tweeter axes cross a foot or two directly ahead of the main listening position. That "cross firing" arrangement will give the widest "sweet spot" and a nice mid-hall perspective with music.
post #6005 of 6599
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Originally Posted by DS-21 View Post

angles of the L and R speakers, such that all the three tweeter axes cross a foot or two directly ahead of the main listening position. That "cross firing" arrangement will give the widest "sweet spot" and a nice mid-hall perspective with music.

Really never heard that before!
post #6006 of 6599
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Really never heard that before!
I have experienced that with JBL 1400 Synthesis Arrays (only L&R) and it works quite well, extreme toe in. Made an entire couch essentially a sweet spot.
post #6007 of 6599
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

Really never heard that before!

Here's how I have my front three KEF's all at the same height. It's a compromise by having the speakers slightly low--19" off the floor--and then having the TV slightly higher. As a result, I angled the front three speakers up, and used the cross firing technique that was suggested by DS-21. I'm really happy with how it sounds. The next step will be dual DIY subs, but not for a while. This small loft space is more or less a dedicated space just for watching movies and TV so I didn't mind having speakers all over and I did my best to make it aesthetically pleasing.


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post #6008 of 6599
that's a beautiful setup you have there!
post #6009 of 6599
Guys i am going to buy a center channel speaker to pair with 4 x HTS1001.2 and C4 subwoofer. My budget is limited so planning to go for C6. However, i also saw there is Klipsch WC-24 for same price and it has good reviews. I am really new to sound systems so need your quick advice which should i go for?
post #6010 of 6599
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Originally Posted by dftkell View Post

Here's how I have my front three KEF's all at the same height. It's a compromise by having the speakers slightly low--19" off the floor--and then having the TV slightly higher. As a result, I angled the front three speakers up, and used the cross firing technique that was suggested by DS-21. I'm really happy with how it sounds. The next step will be dual DIY subs, but not for a while. This small loft space is more or less a dedicated space just for watching movies and TV so I didn't mind having speakers all over and I did my best to make it aesthetically pleasing.


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That's a awesome table you have. Great setup.
I myself might go down the road of a few DIY subs. It's much more cost effective. The wife just decided she wants a HT room now so I have about 10k to play with for audio and video. 4 DIY subs costs the same as 2 xv15s. Lots to think about.

Do you guys think going with 3 700 would be close to getting 3 Jtr triple 8s? Or would saving money on speakers ( going with a full keg setup) and spend more one subs and better AV?
post #6011 of 6599
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Originally Posted by dftkell View PostHere's how I have my front three KEF's all at the same height. It's a compromise by having the speakers slightly low--19" off the floor--and then having the TV slightly higher. As a result, I angled the front three speakers up, and used the cross firing technique that was suggested by DS-21. I'm really happy with how it sounds. The next step will be dual DIY subs, but not for a while. This small loft space is more or less a dedicated space just for watching movies and TV so I didn't mind having speakers all over and I did my best to make it aesthetically pleasing.


L1010905.jpg

Looks cool very modern!

post #6012 of 6599
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Originally Posted by lemonslush View Post

That's a awesome table you have. Great setup.
I myself might go down the road of a few DIY subs. It's much more cost effective. The wife just decided she wants a HT room now so I have about 10k to play with for audio and video. 4 DIY subs costs the same as 2 xv15s. Lots to think about.

Do you guys think going with 3 700 would be close to getting 3 Jtr triple 8s? Or would saving money on speakers ( going with a full keg setup) and spend more one subs and better AV?

The reason I'm going the route of DIY subs is because I want to give them a custom, mid century modern look. If looks didn't matter, I'd probably just buy dual HSU VTF-15H's or something like that.

I've never listened to the JTR's but there is a lot of positive talk about them on AVS. My only concern would be that I've yet to see any third party measurements. Or any measurements for that matter. It is a highly sensitive speaker that can go very loud so if your space is large or you like to really crank things way up, they're certainly worth considering. Again, haven't heard them but many people seem to like them.

As for the KEF's, I think it's safe to say that the Uni-Q coaxial driver is much more refined than the JTR's. This driver has been through many generations of improvements by a well respected speaker company with a large R&D department. It will not play as loud at the JTR's and they're not nearly as sensitive though, but those are tradeoffs that would not concern me and wouldn't make a difference to me in real-world listening.

If you're going to be using an acoustically transparent screen than three Q700's would work well, but I think the upgrade to the Q900's would be well worth it.

10K is a generous budget. You could put together a very, very nice system. And if you find a few good deals on Craigslist or Audiogon, it could be off the charts. All of the speakers in the 7.1 system I posted above were purchase used or at a clearance rate online.

Dan
post #6013 of 6599
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Originally Posted by lemonslush View Post

That's a awesome table you have. Great setup.
I myself might go down the road of a few DIY subs. It's much more cost effective. The wife just decided she wants a HT room now so I have about 10k to play with for audio and video. 4 DIY subs costs the same as 2 xv15s. Lots to think about.

Do you guys think going with 3 700 would be close to getting 3 Jtr triple 8s? Or would saving money on speakers ( going with a full keg setup) and spend more one subs and better AV?
You should check out the latest couple of GTG threads. Jtr was present at both and won a lot of new fans who also posted their reviews.
post #6014 of 6599
well, after a couple months of going back and forth, I finally pulled the trigger on a pair of R500's. I paid $1500 for the pair, used. I think that's a pretty stellar deal. They'll serve as the front mains for my movie room. As much as I wanted to get the R700, I couldn't justify the near $1200 price difference (the R700's never seem to go up for sale used).

I'll be getting the R200c for center channel duty and will figure out what to do for rear surrounds later. The r800ds look like an option but that's pretty expensive.
post #6015 of 6599
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Originally Posted by bikinpunk View Post

well, after a couple months of going back and forth, I finally pulled the trigger on a pair of R500's. I paid $1500 for the pair, used. I think that's a pretty stellar deal. They'll serve as the front mains for my movie room. As much as I wanted to get the R700, I couldn't justify the near $1200 price difference (the R700's never seem to go up for sale used).

I'll be getting the R200c for center channel duty and will figure out what to do for rear surrounds later. The r800ds look like an option but that's pretty expensive.
Congrats! I have been told the R500 and R700 are the sweet spots in the R series and that says a lot as how good the R300 and R900s are, especially for double duty, music and movies. I also have heard the R600c is worth the upgrade over the R200c if you can swing it. For surrounds, less important unless you do multichannel music then I would stay away from dipoles. R100 or Q300s?
post #6016 of 6599
Congrats on the great used deal on the R500's!

Actually it looks like the drivers for the R500's and the R200's are identical - the R200c will probably be an excellent match.

I wouldn't worry about dipoles for surrounds. If your listening is primarily stereo music and HT/TV you can probably get away with Q series speakers as surrounds (Q100 or Q300). If you listen to a lot of surround music/concerts you should probably stick with an R series speaker for surround (R100?).
Edited by sdg4vfx - 5/17/13 at 5:08pm
post #6017 of 6599
Any suggestions for a stand for the R200c?
post #6018 of 6599
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Originally Posted by jima4a View Post

For surrounds, less important unless you do multichannel music then I would stay away from dipoles. R100 or Q300s?

Bidirectional out-of-phase speakers (BOPS - "dipole" is not correct for such speakers) are fine for surround use with multichannel music, as long as they have smooth, even response. Most don't, which is why they're no good for surround music.

KEF's approach is interesting. and per Sound & Vision's measurements seems to work well.
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Originally Posted by bikinpunk View Post

Any suggestions for a stand for the R200c?

How tall, will the TV be wall-mounted, and what kind of finish do you want?
post #6019 of 6599
a total shot in the dark... maybe 24 - 30" height?

I'd have a setup that looks similar to this:
post #6020 of 6599
Though, I couldn't afford the R800ds, I'm thinking the Q800ds may be a reasonable purchase. Not quite the quality of the R, I'm sure. However, at $550/pair/shipped it's worth a shot.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/KEFQ800WLN/KEF-Q800DS-Q-Series-5-1/4-inch-Dipole-Walnut-Surround-Speakers-Pair/1.html
post #6021 of 6599
Hey guys i have KEF KHT1002.5se home theater system which consists of 5 x HTS1001.2 satellite speakers and KEF c4 subwoofer. After i set it up i figured that dialogues are so weak while other sounds are pretty high. So should i buy a better center speaker? I have Yamaha RX-V475 5.1 receiver and i saw that some Yamaha receivers suchs as RX-V673 has a feature called Dialogue Lift and Dialogue Level Adjustment for Natural Dialogue and Vocals which basically helps to lift voice coming from center and the important thing here is this feature can higher only center channels volume independently if i got it right and i tried to find this feature on my 475 and it looks like it doesn't have this feature. So please can you give me some advice what should i do? I mean i can return 475 and get 673 if this feature could solve my problem or i am planning to buy a center channel speaker like KEF Q200c or maybe if it will be make much difference Q600c but in this decesion i have also another concern which since they wont be identical will this new center speaker coordinate properly with other satellites? (I mean they wont be identical) So need your advice and opinion thanks in advance.
post #6022 of 6599
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Originally Posted by codeihk View Post

Hey guys i have KEF KHT1002.5se home theater system which consists of 5 x HTS1001.2 satellite speakers and KEF c4 subwoofer. After i set it up i figured that dialogues are so weak while other sounds are pretty high. So should i buy a better center speaker? I have Yamaha RX-V475 5.1 receiver and i saw that some Yamaha receivers suchs as RX-V673 has a feature called Dialogue Lift and Dialogue Level Adjustment for Natural Dialogue and Vocals which basically helps to lift voice coming from center and the important thing here is this feature can higher only center channels volume independently if i got it right and i tried to find this feature on my 475 and it looks like it doesn't have this feature. So please can you give me some advice what should i do? I mean i can return 475 and get 673 if this feature could solve my problem or i am planning to buy a center channel speaker like KEF Q200c or maybe if it will be make much difference Q600c but in this decesion i have also another concern which since they wont be identical will this new center speaker coordinate properly with other satellites? (I mean they wont be identical) So need your advice and opinion thanks in advance.
Go into setup menu and find the channel level settings. Raise the center channel level until it closely matches the other speakers.
post #6023 of 6599
Ok ill try that, other than this do you think if i get Q200c or 600c as center channel will it match with HTS 1001.2 satellites?
post #6024 of 6599
Thinking about changing things up a bit and looking for some thoughts. Currently have IQ90 mains, IQ60c with cambridge surrounds and two PSA XS15 subs. Real happy with this setup thus far but thinking about changing the mains out. I'm most critical of music and find if I get that sounding proper then HT is easy. I run a macmini (alac) via optical through a Marantz 6006.

I'm interested in the the following:

Q700
R700
LS50 (3x)

and considering:

Sonus Faber 2.5 or 3.0

I maybe able to audition the Sonus at home but there is no one that carrys the R series locally so it would be chance (though coming from the IQ's I'm not too worried about the R's sucking smile.gif )

Any thoughts or things to consider would be appreciated (room dims attached)
post #6025 of 6599
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Originally Posted by bikinpunk View Post

a total shot in the dark... maybe 24 - 30" height?

I'd have a setup that looks similar to this:

Stands are annoying, because one can rarely see them in person. IMO, my shiny R800ds's don't look great with any of the stands I have on hand (VTI DF36, Target FS25, Wood Artistry 31", one other ~28" pair branded Omage or something like that). The three metal ones are too dull, and the woodgrain on the wood one looks strange under the shiny R800ds. (Also, the Wood Artistry ones just have an exposed channel for wire management; one reason I prefer metal stands generally is that they usually have a hollow tube through which one can hide the speaker wire.

KEF has shown the LS50 on top of a swoopy-looking Bello stand. Maybe the R800 will look decent on a pair of those.

Maybe look at pictures of NHT speakers on stands (just because they're the most common gloss-black speakers of which I can think). And if you find something that looks good and is available in a tall stand (ideally 40" or better) then let me know. smile.gif
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Originally Posted by bikinpunk View Post

Though, I couldn't afford the R800ds, I'm thinking the Q800ds may be a reasonable purchase. Not quite the quality of the R, I'm sure. However, at $550/pair/shipped it's worth a shot.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/KEFQ800WLN/KEF-Q800DS-Q-Series-5-1/4-inch-Dipole-Walnut-Surround-Speakers-Pair/1.html

IMO, in that role the main difference will likely be finish quality. I've just not found surround speaker quality to be that important. Last time I tried a surround upgrade (from KEF Q-Compacts to 8" Tannoy Dual Concentrics) I'm not convinced that there was a difference after getting the levels broadly similar (the Tannoy was a solid 6dB more efficient). The main thing that led me to R over Q was cabinet finish quality.
post #6026 of 6599
I just scored a brand new pair of iQ70s for a great price!!!!! They will be replacing my iQ30s for surround duty. The 30s will be relegated to back surrounds. I also have a pair of iQ10s that will either be used as front wides or front heights. My iQ90s will remain as my fronts and my iQ60c remains as the center.

Needless to say, I'm a happy camper!! smile.gifbiggrin.gif
post #6027 of 6599
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Originally Posted by codeihk View Post

Ok ill try that, other than this do you think if i get Q200c or 600c as center channel will it match with HTS 1001.2 satellites?
You could probably use a q200. With a little tweeking and running your room correction program it should blend well with the eggs. However the q600 would most likely over power the 3" eggs. I use a q200 and am very happy with it's clarity and focus.
post #6028 of 6599
Have you considered a HTC3001-center? It is a larger, newer version of the eggs you currently have, has more output and will likely blend very well with your current eggs.

A4L has one for $250. http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/KEFHTC3001BLK/KEF-Htc3001-Center-Channel-Speaker-Black/1.html
post #6029 of 6599
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Originally Posted by dharel View Post

I just scored a brand new pair of iQ70s for a great price!!!!! They will be replacing my iQ30s for surround duty. The 30s will be relegated to back surrounds. I also have a pair of iQ10s that will either be used as front wides or front heights. My iQ90s will remain as my fronts and my iQ60c remains as the center.

Needless to say, I'm a happy camper!! smile.gifbiggrin.gif
Congrats! I use IQ10s for my heights and they work well for that.
post #6030 of 6599
FYI. Just saw that Vanns has 20% off of Kef at the moment (mostly Q series).
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