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post #6391 of 6604
I have not heard the new Q series but the Q300 was very well rated from what I read. I have three B&W685s that are still regarded quite well and my guess is the Q300s may edge them. I would think Q100s may be best crossed at 90-110 Hz.
Edited by jima4a - 12/5/13 at 2:50am
post #6392 of 6604
Is anyone using the T301s? I just bought some as they seemed like the best on wall option and I'm really not liking the sound. The center doesn't even sound as good as a little cheapo center I got for less than $100 on Amazon. I'm using an NAD receiver and I'm not listening at high levels. Am I missing something here?
post #6393 of 6604

What do you think about this combo for the five KEFs

 

- Oppo BDP-105 as Pre/Pro with Blu Ray Player

- Parasound A51

 

 

or

 

- Marantz SR 7008 AV receiver

- Oppo BDP-103D

 

I wanted to try 9.2 channel so the first solution would not give me that option!

post #6394 of 6604
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

What do you think about this combo for the five KEFs

- Oppo BDP-105 as Pre/Pro with Blu Ray Player
- Parasound A51


or

- Marantz SR 7008 AV receiver
- Oppo BDP-103D

I wanted to try 9.2 channel so the first solution would not give me that option!

Definitely the Marantz + Oppo. Assuming you'll be using at least one sub, the Audyssey XT32 Dynamic EQ is invaluable.

The Parasound amp is nice for sure. The Oppo is great universal player, but I would not want to use the Oppo player as a "preamp".
post #6395 of 6604
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Originally Posted by housequestion View Post

Is anyone using the T301s? I just bought some as they seemed like the best on wall option and I'm really not liking the sound. The center doesn't even sound as good as a little cheapo center I got for less than $100 on Amazon. I'm using an NAD receiver and I'm not listening at high levels. Am I missing something here?

I'm considering these speakers as well....and your post has me a bit worried. Very interested to hear what others think of the T series!
post #6396 of 6604
I'm going to post on another forum about it. AVS is great, but it's so convaluted now with so many different forums that I can't usually find much useful information. This thread is mostly focused on people with very high end KEF floorstanding speakers.
post #6397 of 6604
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Originally Posted by housequestion View Post

I'm going to post on another forum about it. AVS is great, but it's so convaluted now with so many different forums that I can't usually find much useful information. This thread is mostly focused on people with very high end KEF floorstanding speakers.

Cool. Please let us know if you get traction on it somewhere else. I, like you, have seen pretty decent reviews of these, but would like a real-user perspective. I've currently got Polk on wall speakers, but the wife wants them even thinner (current speakers are 5-6 inches deep). These look so much nicer, and hopefully they won't sound any worse. Also wondering how often KEF refreshes their speakers...these are at least 2-3 years old, right?
post #6398 of 6604
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View PostDefinitely the Marantz + Oppo. Assuming you'll be using at least one sub, the Audyssey XT32 Dynamic EQ is invaluable. 
Yes so I read!
The Parasound amp is nice for sure. The Oppo is great universal player, but I would not want to use the Oppo player as a "preamp".
Why not!
post #6399 of 6604
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Originally Posted by housequestion View Post

I'm going to post on another forum about it. AVS is great, but it's so convaluted now with so many different forums that I can't usually find much useful information. This thread is mostly focused on people with very high end KEF floorstanding speakers.
I would suggest the UK based AVForum. More likely to get a useful response on the T series.
post #6400 of 6604
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Originally Posted by wse View Post


The Parasound amp is nice for sure. The Oppo is great universal player, but I would not want to use the Oppo player as a "preamp".

Why not!

1) the Oppo does not have Audyssey XT32 Dynamic EQ Dual Sub EQ
2) the Oppo only has digital volume. If it resets, it may be loud
3) may void warranty on speakers and amps if used this way since it is not the usual route
post #6401 of 6604
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post 1) the Oppo does not have Audyssey XT32 Dynamic EQ Dual Sub EQ
OK fair enough
2) the Oppo only has digital volume. If it resets, it may be loud
Not any more with the new software update
3) may void warranty on speakers and amps if used this way since it is not the usual route
I doubt it!

So Audyssey is that good eh!

post #6402 of 6604
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So Audyssey is that good eh!
I do not use it for music but since you are movies only it will be good.
post #6403 of 6604
Putting the finishing touches on my new 5.1 system. Need some thoughts from the users before I click buy as I'm a novice. The room is 18x18x9. Listening distance is 10 feet. Primary usage is Home Theater Movies, TV, and gaming. I want to have a good movie watching experience but don't want to go overkill and needlessly break the bank. What are the thoughts from the gurus. Do I need the 300s or are the 100s sufficient here? I've seen a lot of people build systems with the 300s/200, but the drivers of the 300s match the 600. Am I losing anything with the 300/200 setup or gaining that much more with 600?

My options are below:
  • Q300 L/R and Q200C
  • Q300 L/R and Q600C
  • Q100 L/R and Q200C
  • Surrounds are set: KEF Ci130QRs (Have to be in ceiling - wife factor; they're directly behind the couch by 1 foot and centered around the viewing/listening area)

AVR - Denon e300
Sub - Currently a Klipsch 10" Powered (will be eventually replaced with the 400 or an Outlaw or PSB or something of the sorts)
post #6404 of 6604
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

So Audyssey is that good eh!

Dynamic EQ is THAT GOOD for the subs!

I actually use "Audyssey Bypass L/R" + Dynamic EQ (sub EQ), and no Dynamic Volume (no dynamic compression).

So technically speaking, I don't use Audyssey (bypass L/R), but I sure use Dynamic EQ.

The difference is astronomical for the sub bass.

I would never listen to music or watch movies without Dynamic EQ.
post #6405 of 6604

I have had a KEF center channel speaker for 17 years UniQ Reference series.  It is still working!  I also just purchased a NR1604 Marantz receiver, first time Marantz owner.  I have a BDP-93 OPPO and Sony Towers and surrounds and Polk Audio Sub 12in woofer and Polk Audio surround backs TSx110B.  I love being enveloped by sound in movies at home!  

post #6406 of 6604
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Originally Posted by tongr View Post

Tried this in its own thread with little response other than suggestions to post here. This is for Q100 and Q300 owners that are using a subwoofer. What crossover value are you using? The specs for these models say they are flat (+/- 3db) down to 49hz for the Q100 and 42hz for Q300. Seems like they should be easily crossed over at or below 80hz but I want "real world" experience taking into consideration room conditions. The other thing that has me concerned is this review in Home Theater/Sound and Vision Magazine.

http://www.soundandvision.com/content/kef-q900-speaker-system

Thomas Norton, using the Q100 as surrounds, says they bottomed out when crossed over at 80hz and he ended up bumping the crossover up to 120hz. I want speakers that can be crossed over at 80hz or lower so the sub can be placed anywhere and not be localized.

Lastly there is the issue of selection between the 300s and the 100s. At first glance the choice seems easy, the 300 is slightly larger and, presumably, more capable. However, there is chatter that the Q100 is a better speaker as the midrange is better integrated. Taking into consideration the fact that specs say the 300 only plays 7hz lower (moot if using a subwoofer) and is capable of only 3db more potential output maybe the choice ins't so clear. Thoughts on crossover values as well as comparison between the two models would be appreciated.

I use Q100's and they handle an 80Hz crossover fine - I can't imagine what the reviewer was referring to... If you're the least bit concerned go with the Q300's.

I auditioned both and kept the Q100. To my ears there were only a couple of differences ...
- Q300's were larger and were capable of slightly louder volume (which I didn't need in my space, the Q100's were plenty loud enough).
- Without a sub the Q300's played slightly lower. Didn't apply to my situation since I use a sub.
- Again, "to my ears", the Q100 was slightly more balanced (treble-to-mid) out of the box. But once room correction software was applied (Audessey in my case) there was no difference.
Edited by sdg4vfx - 12/8/13 at 11:48am
post #6407 of 6604
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Originally Posted by gotbuck View Post

Putting the finishing touches on my new 5.1 system. Need some thoughts from the users before I click buy as I'm a novice. The room is 18x18x9. Listening distance is 10 feet. Primary usage is Home Theater Movies, TV, and gaming. I want to have a good movie watching experience but don't want to go overkill and needlessly break the bank. What are the thoughts from the gurus. Do I need the 300s or are the 100s sufficient here? I've seen a lot of people build systems with the 300s/200, but the drivers of the 300s match the 600. Am I losing anything with the 300/200 setup or gaining that much more with 600?

My options are below:
  • Q300 L/R and Q200C
  • Q300 L/R and Q600C
  • Q100 L/R and Q200C
  • Surrounds are set: KEF Ci130QRs (Have to be in ceiling - wife factor; they're directly behind the couch by 1 foot and centered around the viewing/listening area)

AVR - Denon e300
Sub - Currently a Klipsch 10" Powered (will be eventually replaced with the 400 or an Outlaw or PSB or something of the sorts)

Re Q100 vs Q300 ... I suspect either would be fine in a room that size, but if you're the least concerned go with the Q300. Is the room contained or does it open up into another room? (I run Q100's in a 13x18x9 room with a 10' listening distance. I never feel like I need more volume.)

Re a center ... In either case a third, matching Q100 or Q300 would be the ideal. Because the Q100/300 uses a single concentric driver, unlike most speakers, they can be laid on their side without affecting the sound. On their side the Q100/300 are the same height as a Q200c/600c.

Re the sub - take a look at the SVS PB-1000. A very good HT/surround sub at the $500 price point. Decent with music also.

FWIW, http://www.accessories4less.com/ has B-stock KEF Q series at a nice discount. Several forum members have purchased speaker there with no problems.
post #6408 of 6604
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post

Re Q100 vs Q300 ... I suspect either would be fine in a room that size, but if you're the least concerned go with the Q300. Is the room contained or does it open up into another room? (I run Q100's in a 13x18x9 room with a 10' listening distance. I never feel like I need more volume.)

Re a center ... In either case a third, matching Q100 or Q300 would be the ideal. Because the Q100/300 uses a single concentric driver, unlike most speakers, they can be laid on their side without affecting the sound. On their side the Q100/300 are the same height as a Q200c/600c.

Re the sub - take a look at the SVS PB-1000. A very good HT/surround sub at the $500 price point. Decent with music also.

FWIW, http://www.accessories4less.com/ has B-stock KEF Q series at a nice discount. Several forum members have purchased speaker there with no problems.

The room opens up to the upstairs and a hallway on either side. Thus my concern. Does that make a difference?

I'd rather go with a center than a third book. What is the better speaker to pair with the Q300? Will the 600 overmatch it?

Thanks in advance. Sorry for the rapid fire Q's.
post #6409 of 6604
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Originally Posted by gotbuck View Post

The room opens up to the upstairs and a hallway on either side. Thus my concern. Does that make a difference?

I'd rather go with a center than a third book. What is the better speaker to pair with the Q300? Will the 600 overmatch it?

Thanks in advance. Sorry for the rapid fire Q's.

Re room size as I said in my earlier post, if you're concerned go with the Q300.

For the Q300 I'd probably recommend the Q600 because it has the same size Uni-Q (tweeter-mid) as the Q300. It also has the extra bass drivers which will be slightly mismatched with the Q300, but matching the highs-mids would seem more crucial to me.

Re a horizontal center vs a third bookshelf ... it's worth noting some things.
- Three identical speakers LCR is the professional standard, all movies are mixed this way and it's the speaker arrangement in theaters.
- Horizontal center speakers were not created/designed for better sound, but rather to accommodate limited space issues in the typical home theater setup. There are inherent, unavoidable sonic problems with a horizontal (MTM, etc.) speaker design.
- KEF makes it easier than most speaker brands to achieve this ideal ... their Uni-Q concentric driver which allows their bookshelf speakers to be laid on their side, when on their side the bookshelf speakers are the same height as the horizontal centers, etc.

If you read through the KEF thread there are numerous references to this issue and members who chose three identical speakers LCR. There are also threads in the general speaker forum which address this.
post #6410 of 6604
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Originally Posted by sdg4vfx View Post


Re a horizontal center vs a third bookshelf ... it's worth noting some things.
- Three identical speakers LCR is the professional standard, all movies are mixed this way and it's the speaker arrangement in theaters.
- Horizontal center speakers were not created/designed for better sound, but rather to accommodate limited space issues in the typical home theater setup. There are inherent, unavoidable sonic problems with a horizontal (MTM, etc.) speaker design.
- KEF makes it easier than most speaker brands to achieve this ideal ... their Uni-Q concentric driver which allows their bookshelf speakers to be laid on their side, when on their side the bookshelf speakers are the same height as the horizontal centers, etc.


Thanks for the reply sdg4vfx. You've really been a great help for a novice like myself. I truly value your opinion. I'll have to seriously consider that. Either way I'm out the same amount of money so I don't really feel there is a negative here. I'll let you know how that turns out when I place the order.

Now it's time to select an AVR. I've been looking at the Yamaha RX series and the Denon X2000. Haven't started looking at Marantz yet, but I know I should be.
post #6411 of 6604
Hello everyone,

Longtime KEF owner and AVSForum lurker here (I own Q15's from way back, 1997/98 I believe) who just upgraded to a pair of Q900 towers. Thanks to everyone for the lively discussions on the merits of the Q900s versus other towers in that price range and the useful information regarding various amplifiers paired with these towers.

I wanted to especially thank the folks who took the time to post their experience with Accessories4Less, as after researching the store extensively on these forums and elsewhere, decided to order my Q900s from them. My speakers arrived yesterday in flawless condition. Nothing about the packaging or the speakers themselves--which I inspected minutely--indicates to me that they're anything other than factory-new speakers shipped straight to me. They're still breaking in, but even so they sound fantastic already and I'm looking forward to really giving them a listen after I've broken them in more.

So I wanted to pay it forward here and add my voice to the other positive reviews of Accessories4Less. I placed my order on Thanksgiving after their closing time and they shipped it out the very next day. I selected the free shipping option and it arrived Wednesday 12/4, which given that it traveled from Florida to Nevada doesn't seem bad for free ground shipping.

Cheers,

-Chad
post #6412 of 6604
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Originally Posted by jlocice1 View Post ...........I love being enveloped by sound in movies at home!  

Yes so do I, :) You should try it with music as well it is awesome 

 

Here are a few discs to try

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post #6413 of 6604
So I finally nailed down my setup for home theater and gaming.

Q300 fronts
Q200 center
In ceiling rears
My 10" klipsch powered sub

Avr time. Looking at the Denon X2000, Marantz SR5007, and Yamaha V675. Want to be in the $400 range. Don't mind factory refurbished obviously. Any thoughts? Am I on the right track. Any thing else?
post #6414 of 6604

Think of getting the R300 series (http://www.kefdirect.com/r300-system.html) and hooking it up to the Pioneer LX57. Do you guys have any thoughts on this? Am in Singapore, if you have any tips from a local perspective, that would be very helpful too. Thanks in advance.


Edited by shieldquick - 12/12/13 at 1:28am
post #6415 of 6604
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Originally Posted by shieldquick View Post

Think of getting the R300 series (http://www.kefdirect.com/r300-system.html) and hooking it up to the Pioneer LX57. Do you guys have any thoughts on this? Am in Singapore, if you have any tips from a local perspective, that would be very helpful too. Thanks in advance.

I chose the R300 speakers over the LS50 to replace my old Kef speakers.

My speakers are hooked to a Pioneer 94th.

You will enjoy the R300.
post #6416 of 6604
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Originally Posted by tomtb1 View Post


I chose the R300 speakers over the LS50 to replace my old Kef speakers.

My speakers are hooked to a Pioneer 94th.

You will enjoy the R300.


Many thanks for the feedback.

post #6417 of 6604
Well I've read relevant posts in this thread till my eyes bled, but I think I'm finally read to post...

I will try to keep it as simple as possible and thank everyone in advance for their valued opinions.

Because I simply cannot wait until I get my basement finished, the set up will initially be 5.1 in a spare bedroom that is 14'x11' with the fronts along the 11' wall. Once the basement is finished, the speakers will be in a semi-dedicated "theater room" that is 20'x14' with the fronts along the 14' wall and I want to have the option for a 7.1 set up. This would be 90% movies and 10% music.

The only piece of the puzzle I currently have is my Polk PSW110 sub, which I currently have paired with a zvox 555 in the living room for blu rays. I intend on replacing this with either single or dual SVS SB12-NSD's or PB12-NSD's.

I know I want the Kef Q900's with the Q600c center as my mains. I cannot decide what to use as my surrounds. I am leaning towards the Kef E301's based on previous suggestions in this thread. My other consideration for surrounds are the Q100's and the Q800ds. Once I move to the basement, I have also considered the CI200Q's for in-wall or in-ceiling.

The other area I am torn on making a final decision is the AV receiver and whether or not to get a separate amp to go with. I really don't want to soend more than $1,600 here right now. The options I have been kicking around are as follows...

Anthem MRX-510:
-solo with fronts bi-amped
-possibly add an Emotiva XPA-3 or XPA-5 later?

Marantz SR7008, SR6008, or SR5008 (accessories4less):
-solo with fronts bi-amped
-possibly add an Emotiva XPA-3 or XPA-5 later?

I am also open to suggestions I have not thought about and do not have listed above.

As I mentioned before, any advice will be greatly appreciated!

Ryan
post #6418 of 6604
I would suggest five LS50s and add two more down the road. One sub initially and add a second when you move to the bigger room. You would have an extremely amazing system.
post #6419 of 6604
Thanks for the input jima. I have thought about that as well, but the wife factor doesn't like the look of the ls50's due to the orange.
post #6420 of 6604
Hey just wanted to give a brief story about my purchasing and experience with Kef, might help someone else out in the future.

I got a chance to listen to the R300 and the LS50. Won't lie i came in biased, I wanted the r300s. I like the way they looked, I was coming from floorstanders so I figured the larger woofer would help... LS50s were simply excellent speakers and for their price a great value. They gave a wider soundstage, a slightly more accurate tone, and had a suprising healthy amount of bass.

Next up i listened to the R300s. It was just about everything I expected to hear, they sound larger, fuller, with a bit more bottom end bass. I thought they were probably a tad warmer sounding, very musical and smooth.

I ended up with the R300s for a variety of reasons. I like the fact that I can add a centeral channel with them, I like their fuller sound, and I like the fact that they can handle larger rooms better than the LS50s will. Having said all that, they are both phenomenal speakers so really isn't a wrong choice. I have no doubt I will be buying a pair of LS50s down the line, they are that good for their size.

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