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post #601 of 830
Don't they do digital covergence fixing? If so, then 1/2 pixel is the MAXIMUM that anyone should ever see (because if its 3/4 pixel, they should shift by 1 pixel, reducing it to 1/4).


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Originally Posted by Andrew P View Post

1/2 pixel isnt bad at all. Shouldnt be noticeable from 10-15 feet.
post #602 of 830
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Originally Posted by jmacdonald801 View Post

The light grey goo claims a gain of 1.4

When you say 2.8 gain... are you talking about the screen? Am I really going to need that much gain in a light controlled environment?

My room is about 26 or more feet long, and about 16 feet wide. Lots of room to go back.

16ft. would put it about a foot or two behind my primary viewing area, which I guess would be ideal.

I'll look into the high power screen.

And about these grey screens... is that mostly for non light controlled rooms, or does that work equally well from someone like me who has a dark room but has a larger screen size in mind than typical?

First, an important point: the High Power is retroflective meaning it reflects light given to it back in the same direction from which is came instead of just scattering that light about the room. The downside of this is that viewers off to the side, or more off the projector-screen axis, don't get as much light as they would with a unity gain white screen. Second, 2.8 to 3 gain is what the High Power will give if the light source is just right above your head and (just about always) behind you. (It's hard to imagine a sane setup that includes the projector installed just above the viewer's head height and in front of the viewer. A Pearl sitting on a coffee table in front of the viewer is more likely but look at the table below very carefully to see what happens.) Here's a table of viewing angle and associated gain with the High Power:

Off axis (The angle between your eyes and the projector) --- Gain
0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3.1
5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2.5
10 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2.05
15 (coffee table installation?)------------------------------------------------ 1.4
20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- .95
25 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- .8
30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just above .7
35 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just below .7
40 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- .65
45 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just above .6
50 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - .6
55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- .58
60 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - .57

Moral of this table: Do not use the High Power if you have a high ceiling and plan on installing the Pearl or any other <1000 lumen advertised pj hugged to the ceiling.

You do not want to go back too far with the Pearl unless you want contrast over brightness given how those attributes change with zoom used. The Pearl needs to be as close to the screen as possible with the zoom fully maxed to give the brightest image possible of some 700+ lumens at around 10000 CR with autoiris. Check out Jason Turk's review to get more exact numbers.

So, you'd have to have the Pearl on a shelf or hung from a long ceiling mount in order for it to be right behind the viewers and just above head height. Note that some home theater owners don't like the idea of viewers standing up and having their shadow disturbing the projected image on the screen with this setup. I feel this is a small pain for high gain.

Which gets us to your question of whether you'll need 2.8 gain. The Pearl will end up putting out somewhere around 300 lumens at end of bulb life if you use a minimum zoom. Little can be done about a too-dim projector except the use of a higher gain screen or concentrating light by shrinking your image by moving the pj closer to the screen and then moving your chairs closer if you want to maintain your field of view. If you find a pj with an iris too bright you can reduce the aperature of the iris to make it dimmer. You might resort to a dimming neutral density filter. One of the few disadvantages to a bright image is that all the warts of bad sources: pixelation, macroblocking, bad edge enhancement, etc. etc., will be more evident. But, again, you can always make it dimmer.

You don't need a gray screen with the Pearl, IMO, although Stewart and Sony have joined to make their Firehawk SST that can be had for thousands of dollars. They say it is specially made for SXRDs such as the Pearl to provide a really good picture. They say it has some kind of special coating to maximize the benefits of 1080p. The Pearl and the Firehawk SST combo did look very good at CEDIA. But, until proven otherwise, and IMHO, unless you have an environment that will result in a fair amount of extraneous light getting back to the screen, that FH SST will not be worth it. To ramble on about your more typical gray screens and to summarize and simplify, they are generally lower gain and that obviously translates into a less bright overall image. A less bright overall image means less light to your eyes but also less to reflect off light-colored couches and walls and floor and ceiling in your room which then means less light to get back into darker parts of the image on the screen. End result: blacks on the screen look less gray. Grey screens were devised in large part to assist projectors with low contrast and mediocre black levels. The Pearl is not one of those. There is no reason to use anything but a white screen in a light controlled non-reflective environment with a high contrast projector.

Dan
post #603 of 830
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Originally Posted by Prehjan View Post

buy yourself a Marquee 9500LC with a moome card for the encrypted stuff and you will be amazed! (I assure you!!!)

It will last much longer and there will be now bulb buying every few thousand hours...not to mention how much better contrast and other PQ stuff would be

Martin

We are talking about a transition to get us through the next five years to the next technology (SED ?) with 100,000 CR.

I can buy a 9500LC ($10,000) with new tubes. CR - 30,000, lumens - 350.

-or-

I can buy a Pearl ($4300 including extra lamp). CR - 10,000, lumens - 700.

IMO a perfect 'fade to black' is not worth $5700 and 50% lower lumens.
post #604 of 830
You forgot the monst important thing too, the size of the beast involved. At least if my mount fails on the digital my head hurts a lot. With the marquee you die instantly.
post #605 of 830
Dan,
Would you consider the Carada Brilliant White screen to be a good match for the pearl?
post #606 of 830
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Originally Posted by Hynds View Post

Dan,
Would you consider the Carada Brilliant White screen to be a good match for the pearl?

The Carada BW is very similar to the ST130 -- just a hair dimmer, but otherwise just as accurate in the reproduction of colors. If your screen size is under 100 inches, to me the BW is an excellent choice for a totally light controlled environment with dark colored walls.
post #607 of 830
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Originally Posted by tm22721 View Post

I can buy a 9500LC ($10,000) with new tubes. CR - 30,000, lumens - 350.

The On/Off CR of a properly set up 9500LC is on the order of 8000 or so, and it's ANSI CR is quite low.

Let's get real. A single LED in the back of your theater, 20 feet from the screen, can illuminate the screen enough to lower the CR to something like 3000. I don't remember the numbers any more but I've actually measured this.

Extreme CR numbers seem to be the "holy grail" around here and there is *so* much more to making a great picture! This reminds me of the hype about progressive scan...
post #608 of 830
Not to mention us apartment dwellers appreciate the ease of placeing a digital projector.

God bless lens shift.
post #609 of 830
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Originally Posted by wm View Post

The On/Off CR of a properly set up 9500LC is on the order of 8000 or so, and it's ANSI CR is quite low.

Let's get real. A single LED in the back of your theater, 20 feet from the screen, can illuminate the screen enough to lower the CR to something like 3000. I don't remember the numbers any more but I've actually measured this.

Extreme CR numbers seem to be the "holy grail" around here and there is *so* much more to making a great picture! This reminds me of the hype about progressive scan...

I would appreciate it if you could give us a rank order list of those factors you consider most important in making a great picture. Many of us don't live close enough to large cities to evaluate several projectors, and often even if we do they aren't set up properly. What things should we be looking for in reviews to indicate certain projectors are worth taking a closer look at?
post #610 of 830
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Originally Posted by drapp1952 View Post

First, an important point: the High Power is retroflective meaning it reflects light given to it back in the same direction from which is came instead of just scattering that light about the room. The downside of this is that viewers off to the side, or more off the projector-screen axis, don't get as much light as they would with a unity gain white screen. Second, 2.8 to 3 gain is what the High Power will give if the light source is just right above your head and (just about always) behind you. (It's hard to imagine a sane setup that includes the projector installed just above the viewer's head height and in front of the viewer. A Pearl sitting on a coffee table in front of the viewer is more likely but look at the table below very carefully to see what happens.) Here's a table of viewing angle and associated gain with the High Power:

Off axis (The angle between your eyes and the projector) --- Gain
0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3.1
5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2.5
10 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2.05
15 (coffee table installation?)------------------------------------------------ 1.4
20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- .95
25 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- .8
30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just above .7
35 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just below .7
40 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- .65
45 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just above .6
50 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - .6
55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- .58
60 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - .57

Moral of this table: Do not use the High Power if you have a high ceiling and plan on installing the Pearl or any other <1000 lumen advertised pj hugged to the ceiling.

You do not want to go back too far with the Pearl unless you want contrast over brightness given how those attributes change with zoom used. The Pearl needs to be as close to the screen as possible with the zoom fully maxed to give the brightest image possible of some 700+ lumens at around 10000 CR with autoiris. Check out Jason Turk's review to get more exact numbers.

So, you'd have to have the Pearl on a shelf or hung from a long ceiling mount in order for it to be right behind the viewers and just above head height. Note that some home theater owners don't like the idea of viewers standing up and having their shadow disturbing the projected image on the screen with this setup. I feel this is a small pain for high gain.

Which gets us to your question of whether you'll need 2.8 gain. The Pearl will end up putting out somewhere around 300 lumens at end of bulb life if you use a minimum zoom. Little can be done about a too-dim projector except the use of a higher gain screen or concentrating light by shrinking your image by moving the pj closer to the screen and then moving your chairs closer if you want to maintain your field of view. If you find a pj with an iris too bright you can reduce the aperature of the iris to make it dimmer. You might resort to a dimming neutral density filter. One of the few disadvantages to a bright image is that all the warts of bad sources: pixelation, macroblocking, bad edge enhancement, etc. etc., will be more evident. But, again, you can always make it dimmer.

You don't need a gray screen with the Pearl, IMO, although Stewart and Sony have joined to make their Firehawk SST that can be had for thousands of dollars. They say it is specially made for SXRDs such as the Pearl to provide a really good picture. They say it has some kind of special coating to maximize the benefits of 1080p. The Pearl and the Firehawk SST combo did look very good at CEDIA. But, until proven otherwise, and IMHO, unless you have an environment that will result in a fair amount of extraneous light getting back to the screen, that FH SST will not be worth it. To ramble on about your more typical gray screens and to summarize and simplify, they are generally lower gain and that obviously translates into a less bright overall image. A less bright overall image means less light to your eyes but also less to reflect off light-colored couches and walls and floor and ceiling in your room which then means less light to get back into darker parts of the image on the screen. End result: blacks on the screen look less gray. Grey screens were devised in large part to assist projectors with low contrast and mediocre black levels. The Pearl is not one of those. There is no reason to use anything but a white screen in a light controlled non-reflective environment with a high contrast projector.

Dan

Dan, I just wanted to chime in and say thank you for taking the time to put these thoughts and concepts out there for us. It is a brilliant post and addresses most of the screen questions I had surrounding my anticipated purchase of this projector.
post #611 of 830
Can someone give me the link to Jason Turk's review of the Pearl mentioned by DRAPP? Thanks.
post #612 of 830
Quote:
Originally Posted by drapp1952 View Post

First, an important point: the High Power is retroflective meaning it reflects light given to it back in the same direction from which is came instead of just scattering that light about the room. The downside of this is that viewers off to the side, or more off the projector-screen axis, don't get as much light as they would with a unity gain white screen. Second, 2.8 to 3 gain is what the High Power will give if the light source is just right above your head and (just about always) behind you. (It's hard to imagine a sane setup that includes the projector installed just above the viewer's head height and in front of the viewer. A Pearl sitting on a coffee table in front of the viewer is more likely but look at the table below very carefully to see what happens.) Here's a table of viewing angle and associated gain with the High Power:

Off axis (The angle between your eyes and the projector) --- Gain
0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3.1
5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2.5
10 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2.05
15 (coffee table installation?)------------------------------------------------ 1.4
20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- .95
25 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- .8
30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just above .7
35 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just below .7
40 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- .65
45 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just above .6
50 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - .6
55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- .58
60 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - .57

Moral of this table: Do not use the High Power if you have a high ceiling and plan on installing the Pearl or any other <1000 lumen advertised pj hugged to the ceiling.

You do not want to go back too far with the Pearl unless you want contrast over brightness given how those attributes change with zoom used. The Pearl needs to be as close to the screen as possible with the zoom fully maxed to give the brightest image possible of some 700+ lumens at around 10000 CR with autoiris. Check out Jason Turk's review to get more exact numbers.

So, you'd have to have the Pearl on a shelf or hung from a long ceiling mount in order for it to be right behind the viewers and just above head height. Note that some home theater owners don't like the idea of viewers standing up and having their shadow disturbing the projected image on the screen with this setup. I feel this is a small pain for high gain.

Which gets us to your question of whether you'll need 2.8 gain. The Pearl will end up putting out somewhere around 300 lumens at end of bulb life if you use a minimum zoom. Little can be done about a too-dim projector except the use of a higher gain screen or concentrating light by shrinking your image by moving the pj closer to the screen and then moving your chairs closer if you want to maintain your field of view. If you find a pj with an iris too bright you can reduce the aperature of the iris to make it dimmer. You might resort to a dimming neutral density filter. One of the few disadvantages to a bright image is that all the warts of bad sources: pixelation, macroblocking, bad edge enhancement, etc. etc., will be more evident. But, again, you can always make it dimmer.

You don't need a gray screen with the Pearl, IMO, although Stewart and Sony have joined to make their Firehawk SST that can be had for thousands of dollars. They say it is specially made for SXRDs such as the Pearl to provide a really good picture. They say it has some kind of special coating to maximize the benefits of 1080p. The Pearl and the Firehawk SST combo did look very good at CEDIA. But, until proven otherwise, and IMHO, unless you have an environment that will result in a fair amount of extraneous light getting back to the screen, that FH SST will not be worth it. To ramble on about your more typical gray screens and to summarize and simplify, they are generally lower gain and that obviously translates into a less bright overall image. A less bright overall image means less light to your eyes but also less to reflect off light-colored couches and walls and floor and ceiling in your room which then means less light to get back into darker parts of the image on the screen. End result: blacks on the screen look less gray. Grey screens were devised in large part to assist projectors with low contrast and mediocre black levels. The Pearl is not one of those. There is no reason to use anything but a white screen in a light controlled non-reflective environment with a high contrast projector.

Dan

God I'm impressed.

I was looking at the Da-Light Model C (or comparible fixed frame model), with the Spectra Vision 1.5. It claims a wider viewing angle than the High Power, so I assume more reflective at an agle. I Thought maybe this would give me more even brightness and contrast accross the screen at slight angles, say the left and right side of a large 3 person counch. Currently the couch is about 13 feet "front of couch to wall". So I imagine that puts my eyes around 14 or so feet to the wall. It can easily be moved forward or backwards of course depending on the final mounting of the projector. Trying to find the right compromise here. 20-30 degrees viewing offset could be realistic in my room, with some viewers having to be relegated to the floor and off to the side depending on the number of them

It says the Video Spectra 1.5 has a viewing angle of 35 degrees with a gain of 1.5. So I was hoping to get a bit better brightness and contrast at 30 degress than with the High Power. I hoped 1.5 gain would be enough, in a light controlled environment, with the projector 16 feet back, lense to screen...

By light controlled, I mean almost pitch black, or the lights dimmed 50% for video game playing.

I could move the projector to 15 feet (instead of 17) and maybe that's a good idea, I read that contrast could be improved by moving it back, but since the constrast level is already so good, maybe there is no reason to move it back so far. 15 feet would put it just slightly behind my head. My Ceiling is baout 7.5 feet high.

phew...

What do you think of this Video Spectra 1.5 in this configuration? I'm wondering if this screen, with the projector at 15 feet, wouldn't give me good results. But of course you will probably have some more great information

Again, some really good information. I hope others are benifiting from this query.
post #613 of 830
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Originally Posted by prohoc View Post

Can someone give me the link to Jason Turk's review of the Pearl mentioned by DRAPP? Thanks.

He mentioned the Pearl briefly in his 'Day 1 report from CEDIA', but I don't think has done his full review of it yet.
post #614 of 830
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Originally Posted by millerwill View Post

He mentioned the Pearl briefly in his 'Day 1 report from CEDIA', but I don't think has done his full review of it yet.

The only review I've seen so far was at:

http://cine4home.com/reviews/project...VW50Review.htm

It was enough to convince me to be in this thread

Currently I use a 50" Samsung RPTV with a claimed static contrast of 3000:1 with the newer color wheel that improves greys (I think).

I got spoiled by the constrast of this thing, all things being relative, so I'm hoping that the Pearl being my first rear projector that it will blow my samsung out of the water. Well it's pretty likely it will if all the hype and specs are true.

I can't afford the best, but to improve on what I have would be nice.

-James
post #615 of 830
Hello All,

I need some help from the experts here. I recently purchased a 46 inch XBR2 Bravia from a local retailer for about 1000 below retail and I really enjoy the set. All this talk about the pearl though has me wondering if I shouldn't upgrade to that. My situation is as follows:

Light Controlled Den, slight ambient light during the day.
Possibly moving from my home to a condo or townhouse.
Would be using it as a primary display for TV, gaming and movies.

Do you think it would work for me, or should I keep my Bravia? TIA.
post #616 of 830
Quote:
Originally Posted by skogan View Post

I would appreciate it if you could give us a rank order list of those factors you consider most important in making a great picture. Many of us don't live close enough to large cities to evaluate several projectors, and often even if we do they aren't set up properly. What things should we be looking for in reviews to indicate certain projectors are worth taking a closer look at?

In my opinion, order of importance,

1) Good blacks
2) Contrasty image
3) Correct saturation (but slightly under is better than slightly over)
4) Accurate colorimetry
5) Picture resolution
post #617 of 830
Quote:
Originally Posted by drapp1952 View Post

First, an important point: the High Power is retroflective meaning it reflects light given to it back in the same direction from which is came instead of just scattering that light about the room. The downside of this is that viewers off to the side, or more off the projector-screen axis, don't get as much light as they would with a unity gain white screen. Second, 2.8 to 3 gain is what the High Power will give if the light source is just right above your head and (just about always) behind you. (It's hard to imagine a sane setup that includes the projector installed just above the viewer's head height and in front of the viewer. A Pearl sitting on a coffee table in front of the viewer is more likely but look at the table below very carefully to see what happens.) Here's a table of viewing angle and associated gain with the High Power:

Off axis (The angle between your eyes and the projector) --- Gain
0 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3.1
5 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2.5
10 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2.05
15 (coffee table installation?)------------------------------------------------ 1.4
20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- .95
25 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- .8
30 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just above .7
35 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just below .7
40 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- .65
45 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- just above .6
50 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - .6
55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- .58
60 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - .57

Moral of this table: Do not use the High Power if you have a high ceiling and plan on installing the Pearl or any other <1000 lumen advertised pj hugged to the ceiling.

You do not want to go back too far with the Pearl unless you want contrast over brightness given how those attributes change with zoom used. The Pearl needs to be as close to the screen as possible with the zoom fully maxed to give the brightest image possible of some 700+ lumens at around 10000 CR with autoiris. Check out Jason Turk's review to get more exact numbers.

So, you'd have to have the Pearl on a shelf or hung from a long ceiling mount in order for it to be right behind the viewers and just above head height. Note that some home theater owners don't like the idea of viewers standing up and having their shadow disturbing the projected image on the screen with this setup. I feel this is a small pain for high gain.

Which gets us to your question of whether you'll need 2.8 gain. The Pearl will end up putting out somewhere around 300 lumens at end of bulb life if you use a minimum zoom. Little can be done about a too-dim projector except the use of a higher gain screen or concentrating light by shrinking your image by moving the pj closer to the screen and then moving your chairs closer if you want to maintain your field of view. If you find a pj with an iris too bright you can reduce the aperature of the iris to make it dimmer. You might resort to a dimming neutral density filter. One of the few disadvantages to a bright image is that all the warts of bad sources: pixelation, macroblocking, bad edge enhancement, etc. etc., will be more evident. But, again, you can always make it dimmer.

You don't need a gray screen with the Pearl, IMO, although Stewart and Sony have joined to make their Firehawk SST that can be had for thousands of dollars. They say it is specially made for SXRDs such as the Pearl to provide a really good picture. They say it has some kind of special coating to maximize the benefits of 1080p. The Pearl and the Firehawk SST combo did look very good at CEDIA. But, until proven otherwise, and IMHO, unless you have an environment that will result in a fair amount of extraneous light getting back to the screen, that FH SST will not be worth it. To ramble on about your more typical gray screens and to summarize and simplify, they are generally lower gain and that obviously translates into a less bright overall image. A less bright overall image means less light to your eyes but also less to reflect off light-colored couches and walls and floor and ceiling in your room which then means less light to get back into darker parts of the image on the screen. End result: blacks on the screen look less gray. Grey screens were devised in large part to assist projectors with low contrast and mediocre black levels. The Pearl is not one of those. There is no reason to use anything but a white screen in a light controlled non-reflective environment with a high contrast projector.

Dan

Lots of good information here... but where did this data come from / how was it measured? I assumed that since da-light listed a 25 deg. viewing angle for this screen, it was 25 degress for about half gain (or 1.4). Is that not correct?

I chose between a StudioTek 130 and a High Power. I am at very short throw and can do a low mount (59" IIRC; it is just above and behind my head). I chose the high power because, in my understanding, the StudioTek will tend to hotspot at very short throw (the Stewart guy said that, actually). Ambient light is a non-issue in this space.
post #618 of 830
Quote:
Originally Posted by repdetect2 View Post

Hello All,

I need some help from the experts here. I recently purchased a 46 inch XBR2 Bravia from a local retailer for about 1000 below retail and I really enjoy the set. All this talk about the pearl though has me wondering if I shouldn't upgrade to that. My situation is as follows:

Light Controlled Den, slight ambient light during the day.
Possibly moving from my home to a condo or townhouse.
Would be using it as a primary display for TV, gaming and movies.

Do you think it would work for me, or should I keep my Bravia? TIA.


Well, if you have the space, bigger is usually better. That said, based solely on early reviews and specs, the Pearl might not be bright enough to make you happy if you have (or want) some ambient light in the room. You might want to consider something like the new Panny AX100 (review ). It's not 1080p, but it's a lot brighter than the Pearl - which will probably mean more to you with some ambient light around than resolution does. Plus, it's only $2k. Just a thought...

Best of luck.

-tony
post #619 of 830
Tbacos, thanks for the feedback!
post #620 of 830
Does anyone have any recommendations yet on a ceiling mount for the Pearl? The Sony factory piece seems very expensive. Thanks .
post #621 of 830
I have an amazing ceiling mount courtesy of Home Depot and some tools

Screw the PJ into a Piece of wood
attach the piece of wood to four long 3 foot rods
attach rods to a mirror piece of wood on the cieling

Total flexibility
About $40
Ugly as hell - works like a dream :-)

Rob
post #622 of 830
I took some measurements in my theater and wonder if the Pearl will be a drop-in replacement for my current projector.

The screen is 110" diagonal with the top of the screen 7'7"" off the floor
The current projector is mounted to a "box" that hangs from the ceiling about 11' from the screen. The bottom of the "box" is 9' 4" off the floor.

I suppose I can mount the Pearl about 5" further back on the box and it should be the correct distance from the screen. Is there any mounting hardware included with the Pearl or do I still need to shop around for a bracket?

John
post #623 of 830
Quote:
Originally Posted by prohoc View Post

Does anyone have any recommendations yet on a ceiling mount for the Pearl? The Sony factory piece seems very expensive. Thanks .

I didn't know what to order so I went ahead and ordered an Omni PMD-1 Universal Projector Mount rated for 30lbs., adjustable 12" to 18".

Under $150, I figured what's the worst that could happen... Don't answer that. if worse comes to worse I can buy something better.

I am not recommending this mount and I may suffer for purchasing it, but there was one site that was recommended it as an accessory with the Pearl so I figured I'de give it a shot.
post #624 of 830
For those of you who bought the pearl. How far is your HDMI cable run from the projector to your source? What's the max cable length? Can I use an HDMI switcher if I have more than 2 HDMI sources. Which HDMI switcher you using? Thanks.

-twelly
post #625 of 830
35 feet, here, from my switch to the projector. Devices into the switch are separated from it by 6 foot cables. I'm using a Outlaw pre-pro which has a DVI switch, which could introduce problems but doesn't seem to. Bottom line: What you read elsewhere on this forum about cable lengths and switches will apply to your use of the Pearl: Its HDMI functionality appears to operate well. So you are likely to find lots of great info by searching for "HDMI switch".
post #626 of 830
I have 20' HDMI run to my HS20 (pearl tomorrow, yay!), no problems there but I have 2 HDMI runs at 50' to a plasma in the living room and I will say from experience that cheap cables make the pq quality suffer! I ended with RAM cables which was a night and day difference from the cheap monoprice cables.

Mike
post #627 of 830
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C View Post

night and day difference

Looked like? Except when a cable run is so long and/or of such cheap cable that there are sparklies in the signal (or worse) I've yet to be able to see anything subtly different between HDMI and DVI cables. Is that works/doesn't work difference the night/day difference you are talking about?
post #628 of 830
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C View Post

I have 20' HDMI run to my HS20 (pearl tomorrow, yay!), no problems there but I have 2 HDMI runs at 50' to a plasma in the living room and I will say from experience that cheap cables make the pq quality suffer! I ended with RAM cables which was a night and day difference from the cheap monoprice cables.

Mike

For the longer runs, the guage of the cable becomes very important. RAM sells only 25 guage AFAIK and only up to 30 feet. Monoprice has a 22 guage cable and in a fifty footer.

If the cable is insufficient, there will either be no signal or sparklies in the image. There will be no subjective differences between HDMI/DVI cables.
post #629 of 830
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike C View Post

I have 20' HDMI run to my HS20 (pearl tomorrow, yay!), no problems there but I have 2 HDMI runs at 50' to a plasma in the living room and I will say from experience that cheap cables make the pq quality suffer! I ended with RAM cables which was a night and day difference from the cheap monoprice cables.

Mike

The monoprice 50' HDMI cable works perfectly. I have a RAM also. No difference between the two - other than the RAM cost twice as much.
post #630 of 830
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Originally Posted by John Ballentine View Post

The monoprice 50' HDMI cable works perfectly. I have a RAM also. No difference between the two - other than the RAM cost twice as much.

Does the RAM come in a 22g version? It makes it appear that they only offer 25g on their website. Anyway, assuming they are both 22g, I'd certainly agree.
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