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post #31 of 208
9/16/06 at 3:49pm
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"The Panasonic player is the first of what is expected to be several that will decode multichannel TrueHD and output it in PCM form..."

My interpretation of "what is expected to be" in Roger's quote implies uncertainty.
The uncertainty clearly applies to the word "several" in that quote, as in uncertainty of which other players will do as the Panasonic does. But he says, "The Panasonic player is...", not, "The Panasonic player may...".

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post #32 of 208
9/16/06 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner
Would love a review and pictures when you get it!
I should have more photos and ruminations of the player (pre-production, unfortunately) early next week.
post #33 of 208
9/16/06 at 4:10pm
My bad, I agree that the uncertainty applies to the word "several".

So help me out, is there any bonafide confirmed information that guarantees that this Panny player will decode Dolby True HD at this time or a statement from Panasonic that this capability will exist with a firmware upgrade? At $1300, this is not a throwaway product and I will not commit $1300 to a product unless I know with certainty that it will be able to decode the lossless codecs.
post #34 of 208
9/16/06 at 5:19pm
1300 bucks. Looks like the HD DVD price advantage is back in business.
post #35 of 208
9/17/06 at 1:00am
So they're shipping and still no one has been able to confirm the specs? Even after CEDIA? What is going on here?
post #36 of 208
9/17/06 at 2:54am
In Germany we can buy it in October/November

And yes, Panasonic plans an TrueHD- and DTS-HD-Update (Of course he has a 7.1. analoug output). We can read this in german HT-Magazines. Dolby has checked whether the achievement is enough and sees there no problem.
I was on the IFA in Berlin an the PQ at the Plasma was amazing (for example Demos of "A Corpse Bride" and "Pirates Of The Caribbean 2").
I think this is not only one of the best BD-Players, but also the best DVD- and DVD-A-Player that Panasonic ever built. However such already justifies a high price.

In Germany the Panasonic costs 1499 EUR. But the price is in the InterNet already about 1250 EUR, although it is not yet on the market. Still in the price will thus continue to sink.

Sorry, I am from Germany and my English is not so good.

Greetings from Germany
post #37 of 208
9/17/06 at 6:58am
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Originally Posted by vurbano
1300 bucks. Looks like the HD DVD price advantage is back in business.
it more than that .. even the $499 HD DVD players can decode Dolby TrueHD :D
post #38 of 208
9/17/06 at 7:19am
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Originally Posted by g55555sim
it more than that .. even the $499 HD DVD players can decode Dolby TrueHD :D
Which is currently no better than pcm 5.1 and on a whopping four titles so far... on a player that skips freezes ect.....so whats your point ? :rolleyes:
post #39 of 208
9/17/06 at 7:49am
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Originally Posted by vurbano
1300 bucks. Looks like the HD DVD price advantage is back in business.
Watch out. Toshiba just increased their prices. hd-xa2 is now $1000! Ouch! :eek:
post #40 of 208
9/17/06 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by Earz
Which is currently no better than pcm 5.1 and on a whopping four titles so far... on a player that skips freezes ect.....so whats your point ? :rolleyes:
I think the point was that it is a quality feature on a cheaper player. In addition, I believe the vast majority of players do not suffer from freezes, skips, etc. I had my player on April 19th and have never suffered through any issues and ive updated firmware 4 times. Maybe I am lucky? I dont know..

Anyway, it seems that most of these topics get changed so my biggest problem with the Panny is the list price. I would like it to be MSRP of $999. Any thoughts on this or why the price is up $300? What additional features are included to jsutify the premium price?
post #41 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:22am
Thread Starter 
Doesn't the HD-A1 only decode TrueHD in a whopping TWO channels?
post #42 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:23am
Toshiba's version 2.0 firmware adds 5.1 True HD support.
post #43 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner
Doesn't the HD-A1 only decode TrueHD in a whopping TWO channels?
More FUD from the blew-ray crowd. Sort of like the droning buzz of the blu-ray faithful crowd who swore we'd never see TrueHD 5.1 out of the Tosh without hardware upgrades.

Or refused to acknowledge Sony was pushing back release dates on their BR players AND cutting shipments of PS3s.

The list goes on. You people seriously live in a fantasy land of spec sheets and unrealized promises.
post #44 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:27am
Thread Starter 
^

Sweet. Still the player to get since it has 5.1 audio outs. Get it while you can because Toshiba/HD-DVD took two steps back with the announcement of the Gen2 units which cut out the analog outs... and for the same price! OUCH.

Nevertheless, I'll still take uncompressed PCM 5.1 which is available on MOST Blu-ray titles and output them to my receiver TODAY than the whopping four titles on HD-DVD with TrueHD. But once again, the trolls couldn't stay out of yet another Blu-ray thread so I digress. Talk about living in a fantasy land... thinking HD-DVD even has a chance of winning is the ULTIMATE fantasy land in unrealized promises IMO. Where's all the new HD-DVD players we kept hearing were coming? Still looks like Toshiba running it alone with just a handful of studios, and now Genius/Weinstein is in the Blu-ray camp, LOL.

Back on topic... this Panasonic looks like THE Blu-ray player to get, especially with TrueHD support AND DTS Master AND 7.1 analog audio outs. Will just have to wait for the price to drop. But we have really yet to see what Sony's player will do. There is a lot of talk that it has been upgraded since we last heard about it...
post #45 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:32am
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Will just have to wait for the price to drop. But we have really yet to see what Sony's player will do. There is a lot of talk that it has been upgraded since we last heard about it...
That is what I am waiting for. I will be upset if I have waited for nothing. This new Sony better be the King of players.. :cool:
post #46 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by Earz
Which is currently no better than pcm 5.1 and on a whopping four titles so far... on a player that skips freezes ect.....so whats your point ? :rolleyes:
No skips or freezes here. The point is you get better for half price still with HD DVD
post #47 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:34am
Thread Starter 
^

Good for you vurbano. Now do us all a favor and leave the Blu-ray forums alone or else I'll start reporting your posts. You do nothing but troll and bash Blu-ray in here. Which is completely sad because you are among only like 3 people left who still do that. We're happy you enjoy HD-DVD, but we honestly don't care about you or that format.
post #48 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by yoyoniner
Doesn't the HD-A1 only decode TrueHD in a whopping TWO channels?
wrong
post #49 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by jmpage2
More FUD from the blew-ray crowd. Sort of like the droning buzz of the blu-ray faithful crowd who swore we'd never see TrueHD 5.1 out of the Tosh without hardware upgrades.

Or refused to acknowledge Sony was pushing back release dates on their BR players AND cutting shipments of PS3s.

The list goes on. You people seriously live in a fantasy land of spec sheets and unrealized promises.
agreed.
post #50 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:35am
Thread Starter 
^

Little late to the party aren't we? LOL.
post #51 of 208
9/17/06 at 8:36am
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Vurbano and Jmpage2 posts reported for trolling.
post #52 of 208
9/17/06 at 9:10am
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Originally Posted by Andrew P
I think the point was that it is a quality feature on a cheaper player. In addition, I believe the vast majority of players do not suffer from freezes, skips, etc. I had my player on April 19th and have never suffered through any issues and ive updated firmware 4 times. Maybe I am lucky? I dont know..

Anyway, it seems that most of these topics get changed so my biggest problem with the Panny is the list price. I would like it to be MSRP of $999. Any thoughts on this or why the price is up $300? What additional features are included to jsutify the premium price?
I haven't even decided on which player to buy when BD has its for real launch just yet.
The Panny will no doubt be available for under 1k in no time though...so I would not dwell on the price.

Neither of these formats are anywhere near having any mass interest yet....so I am in no big hurry.

The first hd dvd players are all reportedly beta max players....which I already knew after buying two different models many months apart that both have/had there problems.
post #53 of 208
9/17/06 at 10:53am
well earz sounds like you were unlucky bc there are a vast majoriy that are happy with their players. I have 2 now with no problems (bought the 2nd after gen 2 specs were released) both with v 2.0 software upgrades.
post #54 of 208
9/17/06 at 11:32am
The Pana decodes TrueHD with an Update and the player has a 7.1 analog output!
It´s the first HD-Player which support DVD-Audio (in 7.1!) and so i don´t see problems with an TrueHD update in 7.1 (not only 5.1)...

I was on the IFA and have the Pana seen and also the Toshiba and one could see why the Panasonic more cost than a toshiba player. According to my opinion the Design and the Haptik look also clearly better, than that the European HD DVD Player. The EX1 does not look after 900 EUR equipment. For me a disappointment after the more successful HD-XA1. According to my opinion the more favorable E1 looks better than the EX1.
post #55 of 208
9/17/06 at 11:59am
I agree that the $1300 price will not last long. With a little patience, most of these Blu-Ray players will be available at a street price of $700. I predict better pricing in Jan.-Feb.

While Blu-Ray completely fumbled its kickoff, I just don't see HD-DVD surviving. They don't have the studio support. They are winning the early adopter war because of an initially poor BD player, poor initial software, and dirt cheap pricing on the Toshiba player. The early adopters are not going to be able to carry a product however. The mass market will drive any products financial success. I am typically an early adopter but remain on the sidelines on this one because of the crappy Samsung player, crappy titles, and the belief that HD-DVD is not going to be able to survive.
post #56 of 208
9/17/06 at 12:47pm
Ahhh, nice to see the HD-DVD hacks trolling again. What was that about a 36 hour pause?
post #57 of 208
9/17/06 at 1:41pm
I find it surprising that HT Geeks (AKA: everyone that posts at AVS) become dribblers and screamers over the price of HARDWARE.

The price difference between Toshiba, Sony, Samsung, etc. is peanuts...hundreds of $??
BFD...if ya can't pay the band, ya can't dance on this floor. :rolleyes:

IMO what is more important is the availability and quality of the software...sheesh, guys, this isn't a hobby for those that fret over a little bit of cash.
post #58 of 208
9/17/06 at 1:46pm
I agree 100% oink ;)

-Gary
post #59 of 208
9/17/06 at 2:21pm
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Originally Posted by gatti-man
well earz sounds like you were unlucky bc there are a vast majoriy that are happy with their players. I have 2 now with no problems (bought the 2nd after gen 2 specs were released) both with v 2.0 software upgrades.

Since when is 64% of owners at AVS....not counting all the buyers of 2-4 players who all had skipping problems....considered the vast majoroty? :rolleyes:
post #60 of 208
9/17/06 at 3:53pm
go over to the forum and see how many people are having problems. that pole being as positive as it is, is amazing since I'm sure there are plenty of FUD responses and plenty of users suffered problems now corrected by firmware upgrades.

cracks me up when people say early adopters can't carry a format. well at blu-ray prices no one is carrying bd. so what's your choice? no one or early adopters, those are it until the players get A LOT cheaper, especially for blu-ray.
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