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post #181 of 568
10/27/06 at 9:14am
Interesting update on the Toshiba HM196. As I stated before I was really impressed with the one I tried from Coscto except for Rainbow Effect. Consumer Reports just updated their RPTV ratings on their website, and rated the Toshiba 1080p's as the best RPTV's tested, and one of the best tv's period. I would tend to agree. They have not tested either of the new versions of the SXRD though, so they are not in the ratings. Based on having my A-2000 and Toshiba side by side at my home for a few days, I imagine the SXRD will be rated on par with the Toshiba. My SXRD does have some mild color uniformity issues though that have plagued those sets.
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post #182 of 568
10/27/06 at 2:00pm
I live in the central coast of CA in Carmel Valley.

Does anyone know of a store between Monterey, CA and San Jose or San Francisco that sells/demos the Cinema Series line of Toshiba?

I would love to see/buy the 62MX196.

In my area, both Best Buy (Magnolia) and Costco are the only places with Toshiba HMX only, not the Cinema Series MX196.

thanks.

Shelly
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post #183 of 568
10/27/06 at 2:26pm
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

Interesting update on the Toshiba HM196. As I stated before I was really impressed with the one I tried from Coscto except for Rainbow Effect. Consumer Reports just updated their RPTV ratings on their website, and rated the Toshiba 1080p's as the best RPTV's tested, and one of the best tv's period. I would tend to agree. They have not tested either of the new versions of the SXRD though, so they are not in the ratings. Based on having my A-2000 and Toshiba side by side at my home for a few days, I imagine the SXRD will be rated on par with the Toshiba. My SXRD does have some mild color uniformity issues though that have plagued those sets.

Do you have a link? or a quote?
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post #184 of 568
10/27/06 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by Macroblocker View Post

Any chance Eliab would come out to Nashville and calibrate my 62mx196? have any of you noticed when white print is on a all black backround it will bleed light into the dark area, i really have only noticed this with the lamp on high and the lights down. (also when the Toshiba HD DVD logo is in the lower right corner you can see some light cast in a very faint ray to the other corner of the screen. I am thinking i have a overscan prob.

That sounds like simple light contamination caused by reflections withing the cabinet. It really isn't a defect and isn't overscan related. It can be decreased by lining the inside of the cabinet with black velvet to absorb scattered light.
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post #185 of 568
10/27/06 at 4:13pm
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Originally Posted by gobrigavitch View Post

That sounds like simple light contamination caused by reflections withing the cabinet. It really isn't a defect and isn't overscan related. It can be decreased by lining the inside of the cabinet with black velvet to absorb scattered light.

That sounds very interesting I think I would like to try it, is it hard to do?
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post #186 of 568
10/27/06 at 11:53pm
Quite happy with the 196 so far. Today, took about 15 minutes to get any picture from my HD DVD player. Had to turn the set off & on a few times.

Phoned Toshiba today about the sets geomerty issues. They refered me to a service company near my area. I called them & told them my set has geomerty problem when watching any widescreen HD DVDs or DVDs.

I Measured the black bars on a 2.35:1 aspect film vertically on the left & right side of the screen.

On a 62" display,

The upper left side of the screen vertically measures 3 inches of Black bar
The upper right side of the screen vertically measures 3 & 1/2 inches of Black bar

The bottom black bar seems to look level right across the screen. So I notice a definite curve or slope when I look to the left & than right side.

I don't know if bowing is 100% mechanical or can be adjusted in the service menu.
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post #187 of 568
10/28/06 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by ncarlitos View Post

Hey guys, any suggestions on TV stands?

I got a 70" glass tabletop stand from ABT Electronics. It's made by Omnimount and the model number is G372 BK. I have been meaning to post some pictures and I'll try to do so this weekend.
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post #188 of 568
10/28/06 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by Krammer1 View Post

Quite happy with the 196 so far. Today, took about 15 minutes to get any picture from my HD DVD player. Had to turn the set off & on a few times.

Phoned Toshiba today about the sets geomerty issues. They refered me to a service company near my area. I called them & told them my set has geomerty problem when watching any widescreen HD DVDs or DVDs.

I Measured the black bars on a 2.35:1 aspect film vertically on the left & right side of the screen.

On a 62" display,

The upper left side of the screen vertically measures 3 inches of Black bar
The upper right side of the screen vertically measures 3 & 1/2 inches of Black bar

The bottom black bar seems to look level right across the screen. So I notice a definite curve or slope when I look to the left & than right side.

I don't know if bowing is 100% mechanical or can be adjusted in the service menu.

I have noticed this as well and would like to know if there is a easy fix
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post #189 of 568
10/28/06 at 9:47am
Here are some pictures. Keep in mind these were just taken (around noon) and I have some large windows in this room as you will see in one picture so you know how much light is coming in, although it's pretty cloudy out. This is HD Net. Even during the day I think the picture is pretty decent. Ncarlitos, you can check out the stand.
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post #190 of 568
10/28/06 at 9:48am
Pics of the light coming in and close up of the stand.
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post #191 of 568
10/28/06 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

Pics of the light coming in and close up of the stand.


Looks great! have we all decided that the DC setting should be set to "off" ? when i first got this TV i had it set to med and then set it to low after i noticed it crushed black. After looking at your post calibration settings i decided to set the DC to off and readjust the black level and contrast settings as well as turn the lamp to low.

from Ultimate AV:
But the light output was a more comfortable match for movie watching with the lamp on the Low Power setting and the Contrast control on 75. In this situation, with Dynamic Contrast still engaged, the peak white reading was 41.34fL and the video black 0.024FL, for a peak contrast of 1723:1. Not as impressive, you say? True, if contrast ratio is your only criterion. But the improved blacks, plus the higher comfort level of the lower peak white level in a dimly lit room, wins for me. Want a compromise? When I increased the Contrast control to 100, lamp on Low Power, I obtained a Contrast ratio of 2500:1 (peak white 60fL, video black 0.024fL).

this review was for the 62hm196
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post #192 of 568
10/28/06 at 4:14pm
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Originally Posted by Macroblocker View Post

Looks great! have we all decided that the DC setting should be set to "off" ? when i first got this TV i had it set to med and then set it to low after i noticed it crushed black. After looking at your post calibration settings i decided to set the DC to off and readjust the black level and contrast settings as well as turn the lamp to low.

from Ultimate AV:
But the light output was a more comfortable match for movie watching with the lamp on the Low Power setting and the Contrast control on 75. In this situation, with Dynamic Contrast still engaged, the peak white reading was 41.34fL and the video black 0.024FL, for a peak contrast of 1723:1. Not as impressive, you say? True, if contrast ratio is your only criterion. But the improved blacks, plus the higher comfort level of the lower peak white level in a dimly lit room, wins for me. Want a compromise? When I increased the Contrast control to 100, lamp on Low Power, I obtained a Contrast ratio of 2500:1 (peak white 60fL, video black 0.024fL).

this review was for the 62hm196

I really think that's a personal preference thing. Prior to my calibration I had it on middle. Post calibration it's off. I say go with whatever looks better to you.
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post #193 of 568
10/28/06 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

I LOVED my Toshiba 62HM116 (same as 196) from Costco (which has had another price drop, and is now a steal including the stand). But I had to return it because Rainbow Effect was driving me crazy. I went with the Sony A-2000, and sure enough it has some color uniformity issues. I can deal with that better than the rainbow effect though. Both sets have great overall PQ, the Toshiba a bit sharper, and more 'processed' looking, and the Sony a bit more 'film like'. If you don't see rainbows, the Toshiba is a great set for the money, and I would heartily recommend it.

How much of a price drop? That would be great if true.
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post #194 of 568
10/28/06 at 8:13pm
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

I really think that's a personal preference thing. Prior to my calibration I had it on middle. Post calibration it's off. I say go with whatever looks better to you.

Still on med/85 on this side with not calibration. I guess contrast settings where somewhat optimized in your service menu cause I feel that it looks way too flat when turned off. Plus I don't mind loosing a little black detail to get better contrast... But I agree on the fact that it's a personal preference thing. As long as your happy with your settings it's all that matters!!
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post #195 of 568
10/28/06 at 8:16pm
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

Here are some pictures. Keep in mind these were just taken (around noon) and I have some large windows in this room as you will see in one picture so you know how much light is coming in, although it's pretty cloudy out. This is HD Net. Even during the day I think the picture is pretty decent. Ncarlitos, you can check out the stand.

Wow! 2 subs? And take a look at those biiig speakers.
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post #196 of 568
10/29/06 at 3:39am
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Originally Posted by dhan View Post

Do you have a link? or a quote?


Ratings as requested (out of 100):

0-20=poor 21-40=fair 41-60=good 61-80=very good 81-100=excellent

Toshiba 62HM196 : 78
Toshiba 56HMX96 : 74
Toshiba 56HM66 : 73
Samsung HL-S5687W : 71
Samsung HL-S5087W: 70
Samsung HL-S5679W: 68
JVC HD-56G787 : 63
Mitsubishi WD-57731: 63
Samsung HL-S5686W: 61
Sony Grand Wega KDF-55E2000: 59
Sony Grand Wega KDF-50E2000 : 57
Panasonic PT-56LCX66: 54
Hitachi Ultravision 55VS69: 52

As you can see, they loved the Toshibas and Samsungs, weren't crazy about the Sonys. What are your thoughts? Agree, disagree?
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post #197 of 568
10/29/06 at 6:49am
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Originally Posted by Zissou View Post

Ratings as requested (out of 100):

0-20=poor 21-40=fair 41-60=good 61-80=very good 81-100=excellent

Toshiba 62HM196 : 78
Toshiba 56HMX96 : 74
Toshiba 56HM66 : 73
Samsung HL-S5687W : 71
Samsung HL-S5087W: 70
Samsung HL-S5679W: 68
JVC HD-56G787 : 63
Mitsubishi WD-57731: 63
Samsung HL-S5686W: 61
Sony Grand Wega KDF-55E2000: 59
Sony Grand Wega KDF-50E2000 : 57
Panasonic PT-56LCX66: 54
Hitachi Ultravision 55VS69: 52

As you can see, they loved the Toshibas and Samsungs, weren't crazy about the Sonys. What are your thoughts? Agree, disagree?

The one positive I always took away from consumer reports was the repair/reliability ratings. That's about it, though. I really think that TV's today are very close in performance. If I liked the Hitachi 55VS69 I'd buy it unless there was a known problem that I couldn't live with. Same with any TV. We all look at things a little differently. What's important to me may not be to you. For me I have to really like the look of the TV. Then I go from there. I considered every brand that is listed except the Hitachi - and BTW, I owned a big screen Hitachi and loved it. My decision to go with the Toshiba Cinema series was one of ruling everything else out for one reason or another. Its funny cause originally I had ruled the Toshiba out because it didn't accept 1080p via hdmi, but I liked everything else about it. After researching it and looking at everything else out there, suddenly, the 1080p inputs weren't important enough for me to go with the Mits, Sony or Samsung. I am just thrilled with the picture on this TV. It will go head to head with any TV out there in my opinion. On top of that it is like a beautiful piece of furniture. Except for the 73" Mitsubishi, I think it's the best looking TV out there. Having said that, it's also nice to have your TV recognized as a good TV by a major consumer Magazine that has no monetary interest in their reviews. It does make you feel better about your purchase.
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post #198 of 568
10/29/06 at 2:03pm
Thinking about buying the 62HM196 from Best Buy (currently $1999). However, just one question. Since it does not accept 1080p input, what would happen if you hooked it up to something that gives 1080p output (Blue ray, future HD channels, etc)? Would you get no picture or would the picture not be as good as on a TV that accepts 1080p, or would the picture just be as good as with your other sources (1080i, 720p, etc)?

Thanks!
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post #199 of 568
10/29/06 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by pvm624 View Post

Thinking about buying the 62HM196 from Best Buy (currently $1999). However, just one question. Since it does not accept 1080p input, what would happen if you hooked it up to something that gives 1080p output (Blue ray, future HD channels, etc)? Would you get no picture or would the picture not be as good as on a TV that accepts 1080p, or would the picture just be as good as with your other sources (1080i, 720p, etc)?

Thanks!

I think that if you try to input a 1080p source you'll get no picture. you'll have to input at 1080i. From what I read you won't loose much cause this set is one that does proper de-interlacing to bring the picture back to 1080p (native).

1080p or not 1080p?

Interesting info on the 7th post...
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post #200 of 568
10/29/06 at 2:31pm
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

The one positive I always took away from consumer reports was the repair/reliability ratings. That's about it, though. I really think that TV's today are very close in performance. If I liked the Hitachi 55VS69 I'd buy it unless there was a known problem that I couldn't live with. Same with any TV. We all look at things a little differently. What's important to me may not be to you. For me I have to really like the look of the TV. Then I go from there. I considered every brand that is listed except the Hitachi - and BTW, I owned a big screen Hitachi and loved it. My decision to go with the Toshiba Cinema series was one of ruling everything else out for one reason or another. Its funny cause originally I had ruled the Toshiba out because it didn't accept 1080p via hdmi, but I liked everything else about it. After researching it and looking at everything else out there, suddenly, the 1080p inputs weren't important enough for me to go with the Mits, Sony or Samsung. I am just thrilled with the picture on this TV. It will go head to head with any TV out there in my opinion. On top of that it is like a beautiful piece of furniture. Except for the 73" Mitsubishi, I think it's the best looking TV out there. Having said that, it's also nice to have your TV recognized as a good TV by a major consumer Magazine that has no monetary interest in their reviews. It does make you feel better about your purchase.

I agree.
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post #201 of 568
10/29/06 at 7:17pm
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Originally Posted by bslep View Post

The one positive I always took away from consumer reports was the repair/reliability ratings. That's about it, though. I really think that TV's today are very close in performance. If I liked the Hitachi 55VS69 I'd buy it unless there was a known problem that I couldn't live with. Same with any TV. We all look at things a little differently. What's important to me may not be to you. For me I have to really like the look of the TV. Then I go from there. I considered every brand that is listed except the Hitachi - and BTW, I owned a big screen Hitachi and loved it. My decision to go with the Toshiba Cinema series was one of ruling everything else out for one reason or another. Its funny cause originally I had ruled the Toshiba out because it didn't accept 1080p via hdmi, but I liked everything else about it. After researching it and looking at everything else out there, suddenly, the 1080p inputs weren't important enough for me to go with the Mits, Sony or Samsung. I am just thrilled with the picture on this TV. It will go head to head with any TV out there in my opinion. On top of that it is like a beautiful piece of furniture. Except for the 73" Mitsubishi, I think it's the best looking TV out there. Having said that, it's also nice to have your TV recognized as a good TV by a major consumer Magazine that has no monetary interest in their reviews. It does make you feel better about your purchase.

What HE said. Except I think it looks better than the Mits . .
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post #202 of 568
10/30/06 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by shelly View Post

I live in the central coast of CA in Carmel Valley.

Does anyone know of a store between Monterey, CA and San Jose or San Francisco that sells/demos the Cinema Series line of Toshiba?

I would love to see/buy the 62MX196.

In my area, both Best Buy (Magnolia) and Costco are the only places with Toshiba HMX only, not the Cinema Series MX196.

thanks.

Shelly


Video only!

http://www.videoonly.com/indexwhy.htm
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post #203 of 568
10/30/06 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by Zissou View Post

Ratings as requested (out of 100):

0-20=poor 21-40=fair 41-60=good 61-80=very good 81-100=excellent

Toshiba 62HM196 : 78
Toshiba 56HMX96 : 74
Toshiba 56HM66 : 73
Samsung HL-S5687W : 71
Samsung HL-S5087W: 70
Samsung HL-S5679W: 68
JVC HD-56G787 : 63
Mitsubishi WD-57731: 63
Samsung HL-S5686W: 61
Sony Grand Wega KDF-55E2000: 59
Sony Grand Wega KDF-50E2000 : 57
Panasonic PT-56LCX66: 54
Hitachi Ultravision 55VS69: 52

As you can see, they loved the Toshibas and Samsungs, weren't crazy about the Sonys. What are your thoughts? Agree, disagree?

I pretty much agree. Also note that the Sony's tested are the 3LCD projection models, NOT the SXRD models. The 3 LCD Sony's are pretty much outclassed by today's DLP's and the SXRD's. The 3LCD weakness is they handle dark scenes rather poorly, and can't render black very well. They are a good, affordable option for people senstive to DLP rainbow effect though.
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post #204 of 568
10/30/06 at 12:49pm
Clueless electonics newb question: Any consequences to leaving my TV and receiver on all the time and just turning on and off the STB?
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post #205 of 568
10/30/06 at 1:24pm
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Clueless electonics newb question: Any consequences to leaving my TV and receiver on all the time and just turning on and off the STB?

Lamp life. Your DLP has a lamp for a light source and that lamp has a limited life span. Leaving the set 'on' 24/7 will use the bulb, even when the 'picture' being displayed is all black. Also you would put hours on the color wheel motor/bearings. If you are going to watch the set in less than an hour or two, then you should leave it on. But for more than that turn it off.
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post #206 of 568
10/30/06 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by ncarlitos View Post

Video only!

http://www.videoonly.com/indexwhy.htm

Thanks. Their San Mateo store is closest, about 2 1/4 hour drive. Their price seems fair and they will call me back as to when the 62mx196 will be on display. Right now, they just have the 195 model on display.

That's a mighty far way to go to watch tv!

Thaks again.
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post #207 of 568
10/30/06 at 7:40pm
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Originally Posted by AlanBuck View Post

I pretty much agree. Also note that the Sony's tested are the 3LCD projection models, NOT the SXRD models. The 3 LCD Sony's are pretty much outclassed by today's DLP's and the SXRD's. The 3LCD weakness is they handle dark scenes rather poorly, and can't render black very well. They are a good, affordable option for people senstive to DLP rainbow effect though.

Former Sony LCD owner here. I can tell you that a little RBE here and there is mmmuuuch better than washed out blacks all the time, everywhere... But that's just me.
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post #208 of 568
10/31/06 at 6:32am
I finally fot the 62H196 set...yeah for me

A couple of question to some tha have this set.

1) On some of my HD channels I see a white line at the top of the screen. If I change the screen size to different settings it moves on the screen to the top of the picture. depending on the screen format.

It looks like this (of course the pattern is wrong) ..__..._____.....__......___..._


Is this white line normal..


2) When I look at the settings it always says the viewing is at 480...how do I change this to 720 or 1080. I cant see that in the instruction booklet.
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post #209 of 568
10/31/06 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by jack72 View Post

I finally fot the 62H196 set...yeah for me

A couple of question to some tha have this set.

1) On some of my HD channels I see a white line at the top of the screen. If I change the screen size to different settings it moves on the screen to the top of the picture. depending on the screen format.

It looks like this (of course the pattern is wrong) ..__..._____.....__......___..._


Is this white line normal..


2) When I look at the settings it always says the viewing is at 480...how do I change this to 720 or 1080. I cant see that in the instruction booklet.

The set displays what is being fed to it, so it appears you are inputing a 480 source. Do you have an HD provider? If so, your set top box needs to be set to output 1080i or 720P. What source(s) are you using into the TV?
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post #210 of 568
10/31/06 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by dhan View Post

I paid my 72MX196 a full 1650$ (can) under its closest rival. In fact, I paid 500$ more than I did for my KDFE60A20 last year that was 1200$ under it's normal price. I feel like I have a lot more for my money with my current HDTV in both size and PQ departments.

I started too fool around with DVE last night. color managment system is not easy to play with! Lots of options... The 6 colors having their own hue, saturation and brightness control. I wonder what are the 2 extrem hues of each color? Is it greenish and reddish for all colors (like general hue) or each color has it's own? and what are they?

When you use the color management system, can't you see the changes immediately if you pause a dvd frame having the color you want to adjust? Or does the screen go blank or dark and only after exiting the color management can you see the resuls?

My front projector has a color management system (although you can put a cursor on any color you want and then adjust the three parametters) but it shows immmediately, allowing you to change or save.

Thanks.

Shelly
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