The official Toshiba 62MX196/72MX196 OWNER'S THREAD - Page 9

I never go by the set-up in the store, especially the BB loop. If the source is good - no noise.

It was posted previously in this thread and the 195 thread that w/ sharpness set to 0 all edge enhancement, and noise was eliminated.

We know that the MX196 will save adjusted picture settings individually for each input.

But is the Color Management applied globally to all inputs or do you adjust it for each individual input?

Shelly

It's adjusted over each input individually.

The first post in this MX196 thread was on September 16, 2006.

Does Toshiba release new models each year around September of so?

My dilema is that I may not have the $$$ for the 62MX196 until Feb/March of next year and wonder if I should just try to hold out for next year's model if it means waiting just another 6 months.

I would love to just pull the trigger today but hate being in debt.

Shelly

Close, I got my 196 set in August but was one of the first on here I think.

Bought mine middle of September and was told they had only been in the store for four days. This is the Cinema Series. The standard Toshiba's "HM" I believe came out around April.

a home shopping channel has a great deal tonight on this bad boy

I just cheked hsn and qvc on line and no mention of this set. Which one?

Shelly

hello have question the Toshiba manual shows the infrared remote control sensor as being nearly smack dab in the middle of the viewing screen was wondering how a handicapped person like me who uses a infrared blaster system via computer controlled voice recognition software would interface the blaster emitter onto the infrared receiver sensor? Usually this is accomplished by taping the emitter directly over the receiver sensor on the TV but if the Toshiba sensor is actually in the middle of the screen how would I do it? Is the sensor really located there as the manual states? How is it you cannot see the sensor if its located in the screen or behind the screen? Anybody have any ideas or suggestions? Thanks

ShopNBC is the site that had the Toshiba 62HM196. Just go to the site and search for Toshiba and the 62HM196 will be there.

But this thread is for the MX196, not the less expensive/fewer features HM196 models.

Still hoping to buy as soon as possible.

Shelly

Where are you guy's finding the MX196 at? I'm in Dallas and have been to CC,BB,Tweeters,Fry's,Sams and Costco and none of them have this set. BB has HM196 and that's it. I really don't want to buy it online.

Thanks,
Fred

dhan or anyone else really

What do you have your contrast settings at. After getting my a1 I calibrated it using the HD-DVD test patterns that are floating around and never noticed the white steps starting to blend or the the TV start to go into clipping.

So no I have
contrast - 100
brightness - 53
color setting - warm
lamp - low

I just fell that contrast set at 100 is high.

Suggestions???

I have 2 questions about my 62hm196.

First, today I am watching NFL football on HD Fox and HD CBS. The info when watching Fox says 720p input and when watching CBS says 1080i input. There is a tremendous difference between the 2 channels. The Fox broadcast was great; however, the CBS broadcast was terrible. Is this a problem with the cable or is my TV having trouble handling the 1080i input?

Second, sometimes when watching channels that require black bars on the sides, I see a small area on the top of the right bar that looks like a picture is trying to come through. What is causing this?

Thanks is advance.

The CBS game I was watching was broadcasted in SD, but the cablebax will still upsonvert to 1080i so if you were to hit recall the TV would show 1080i. It's not the TV.

Thank you for your reply dhan, your help is appreciated!

Hey guys. I am new to the whole HD thing and this site. I need some info and advice. I also appologize in advance as this will be a long post.

This past Monday, I bought a new Samsung LH-S6187W. I saw the Sammie in many stores and loved the PQ. I had read many reviews about it prior to buying. The only bad thing I read about it was the audio and I have to agree.

When I went to buy it, I did my homework on pricing. I got on the net and printed out a list of the best prices and took them with me to the store. While speaking with the sales rep, he said he also liked the Sammie. One of his co-workers said his favorite was the 62MX196. It did have a good picture, but the price was higher, and I had not done my homework on this model...features, reviews, and pricing. I have to say the MX is not exactly a popular model as I did not see much about it prior to my purchase. Toshiba models are limited in my area. There are plenty of 720P's but the 1080P models are almost extinct. I was interested in the 56HM66, but decided to go with 1080P instead. Also, to be honest, all the bad reviews I had read about the MX195 bulb problems sort of closed my mind about Toshiba.

While at the store, I told the reps that I was either buying that day, or ordering the Sammie online if they could not get close in price. While negotiating, I was quoted a bottom line of $2000 on the Sammie and $2500 on the MX. I was happy with the Sammie price and couldn't see $500 difference in the 2 models, so I took the Sammie.

When I got it hooked up late Monday night, I couldn't tune any HD channels in. On Tuesday, I called my cable company from work to see what it would cost for HD channels and asked which ones I would get. I was disappointed to find all they offered was 5 local channels and the Weather Channel. I got to thinking, my set is supposed to have an OTA HD tuner built in. Why pay when I could possibly get these channels free with a indoor antenna. I decided to stop and buy one on my way home. I also thought I would stop at the cable company to ask more ?'s. There was a tech there who said I get the channels free with my cable plan without a STB, if I have the right HD tuner. He told me what channels they should be on since I told him I didn't find any the night before.

I raced home and tried everything I could to tune these channels on my cable, but no luck. I grabbed my 2nd choice...my new amplified "rabbit ears". Living in east Tennessee, 60 miles from the transmitters and having a metal roof, I knew it would be a challenge. I did get 1 HD station in, but the signal was weak and faded in and out.

On Wednesday, I was determined to get something working so I could see what this tv could do. I stopped at the cable company to get a STB. She told me a tech would have to install the box, and the earliest he could be there was next Tuesday. I told her I would let her know something, but didn't want to wait that long to try it out. She appologized and I left. I was wondering why I couldn't just take the box and install it myself.

After getting mad about having to wait a week, I found about 30' of RG6, connected it to my indoor antenna, went to each room of the house, and then back to the tv to see if I had anything. After a couple hours of trying, I did manage to pick up a total of about 10 different HD channels, but most being in different rooms and weak.

The reason I am posting in this thread is because I am sort of having second thoughts about the Sammie. The first thing said by family members was that the audio sucked. It just has a flat sound with no real hi-fi sort of clarity. It almost sounds like a 19" tv. The next problem is it not having a QAM tuner so I will have to get a STB. Another is that I am not exactly happy with the PQ, from what I have seen so far. Analog is fair, but HD is not as defined as expected. I don't know if it has to do with the weak signal. The picture is just not well defined even though all the HD channels look that way and they are showing to be in HD when I click on info button. It is like the edges of objects are smooth (almost blurred) instead of having hi definition. Facial features look smudged instead of sharp. I have adjusted contrast and sharpness, but it doesn't bring it to where it should be. This does not appear to be a color convergence problem as I don't see any colors hanging outside of others.

I have since researched the prices of the MX, and I only see about a $250 difference in it (tv + shipping) and my Sammie from online pricing. Yesterday, I stopped by the store where I bought it, and the rep wasn't in. I spoke with his manager, and he said they weren't supposed to match internet pricing. I told him I considered returning my Sammie and getting the MX, (considering I have 10 days from time of purchase to return/exchange). He said that was fine, but I would be looking at a $450 difference in price. I have thought about boxing it all back up, taking it in, showing the printout of the online pricing, and telling them I will give them the $250 difference or they can just keep the Sammie and refund the whole thing. Then I can order online and save my 9.25% sales tax.

I would like to know how your audio is.
Will your tuners show HD on both cable and antenna connections?
How does your PIP work? Any restrictions on what it can do or receive?

Guys, I hope you can understand what I am getting at. I spent over $2000 for a tv and want to make sure I made the right decision. I have to live with it for many years to justify the purchase. What are your comments?

Thanks.

I've been wondering the same thing for a couple of weeks and I think I have it figured out...

The CBS broadcast is 1080i and looks great on some shots and fuzzy(grainy) on others. I believe this is caused by the camera they are using. Most of the grainy shots are closeups that come from the camera that runs on a wire across the field( I'm not sure what the official name for it is.)

So my guess is that the camera is not an HD camera or at least not a 1080i camera, as aposed to the camera that does the wide angle(side line) shots.

Just a guess but it's the only thing I can figure.

I don't have a guess about your second question though.

Just wondering if anyone else has problems with the MX overdriving yellow? I calibrated it with a disc made by the same ones who do AVIA (Sound and Vision Home Theater Tune-Up from Kmart). The color was close to how I had set it up by eye. Still, it seems to overdrive yellow and sometimes red. It will look perfect while showing one broadcast scene, but can change to another scene and fleshtones look bronze. I already read where similar problems have been seen on CSI Miami and that show seems to just have too much yellow all together. Didn't notice it on my previous SD tv, but it is very visible with this one. I have even went so far as to change my color management by reducing yellow saturation to -20, but still looks natural on some pics and too yellow on others. I have my lamp set on low because the room is fairly dark, and I was wondering if maybe this has some effect on the yellow level. Color level on some shows look normal, but other shows/channels sometimes appear to look washed out or very dim color level.

Another thing, when you go into the color management screen, it shows the 6 colors with adjustments for each in hue, saturation, and brightness. I adjusted the saturation to lower the yellow level. I cannot figure out what the hue is supposed to do, as any adjustment to it seems to be very minute. I would also assume the brightness is supposed to affect the specific color also, but it seems to be very minute.

Another question I have is about color calibration. Since all the calibration standards are done by dvd disc, would it be correct in making the same level adjustments for the other inputs? Let me explain...My dvd is set up on HDMI-1 and I calibrated it from there. When I go to ANT-1 or another input, would transferring the color settings obtained from the DVD (HDMI input) be the same for all inputs?

Thanks guys. I love this tv, but the constant normal then yellowish flesh tones are driving me crazy. Guess I am too much of a perfectionist.

I don't think there is any setting that will accommodate broadcast variance. IMO, all you can do is find a happy midpoint setting and live with it.

I understand that, but just can't understand why yellow seems to be so dominating. I don't remember it being like that before I joined the HD family. Thought maybe it was something I was doing wrong.

You make a good point on the MPIII movie. I believe that lighting has so much to do with the skin tones. Even on my professionally calibrated display the skin tones can change from scene to scene. I find that CBS has an overiding yellow tint to skin tones on some HD programming and not others. It's just the way its shot. The one good thing about having your TV professionally calibrated is that you know that the colors you are seeing are supposed to look like they do.