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OK so I found the setting in my DVD player to switch to 1080i for dvds!!! It looks much better!! One thing though, The TV now says 1080i on it when on dvds...Does the TV ever say 1080p? Since it isn't a true 1080p but a wobulated 1080p? Or do we just assume it is upconverting to 1080p while it says 1080i?

The DVD player is the only place so far that I can find to choose resolution...I can't find anywhere to change the resolution in the TV itself....

My DVD is a panasonic, hooked up through HDMI that does upconverting...
model SCHT940

These sets display all images in 1080P. They are 'fixed pixel' displays and can't show any other resolution. What the TV displays in text on the screen is the current INPUT source resolution, and no it won't show 1080P because the set won't accept 1080P, only 1080i. And wobulated has nothing to do with it, you are getting 1920x1080 pixels drawn on the screen every 60th of a second which is the definition of 1080P.
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Hi! I got the DVD to play 1080i finally! Looks much better!!
Will it ever show as 1080p on the TV though??? lol

The TV shows (upconverts) the picture at 1080p but displays the input info which is 1080i... I think
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The TV shows (upconverts) the picture at 1080p but display the input info which is 1080i... I think

You are correct. The tv will only show what the input signal is. I love this tv too!
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LOL I run a game store that is like EB games, we have 5 locations, so I guess if I really wanted to I could locate an XBOX 360...I may have to give it a shot!

I'd love to try GT4 at 1080i, But I can't figure out where to switch to 1080i...? When I plug in the PS2 and turn a game on...(Anygame) I get only 480 showing as my resolution.... How do I switch it to 1080???

I'm not sure but I think it's in the game itself somewhere...
post #95 of 570
I'm assuming this thread going dead means everybody is to busy enjoying there TV?

My 72mx195 started messing up and part isn't going to be available until late Dec., so Toshiba will be sending the 72mx196!?

Hopefully everything goes well, I guess I'm somewhat excited.

dhan - Do you have you 360 hooked via VGA cable if so what resolution?
post #96 of 570
I'm going to get a 62hm196. Before that my only concern is that how is the PQ of the SD signal? In the BB they only play their own HD programm and not able to show the SD to me. But mostly likely my singnal source will be a SD from digital box or Dish reciever for a while.

Plus, 8-9ft view distance is far enough? or it's too close to watch DVD and SD? I have a Sony NS75H doing the 1080i up scaling.

Thanks!
post #97 of 570
SD on any 62" screen is not going to look very good, but the 62hm196 is no worse than most on SD. As far as DVD, I use the oppo upconverting to 1080i and it looks great from 9-10 ft. 8-9 ft. is actually close to ideal for this set but it may take you a while to adjust to it. The first week I had my mine I thought it was to big. Now I think its about perfect and could even be a little bigger.
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I'm assuming this thread going dead means everybody is to busy enjoying there TV?

Right on!!! and I'm still fooling around tuning the picture, trying different settings. I was also reading a bit about the 360 and upcoming PS3 in their respective forums... and trying new 360 demos... and watching new trailers... and playing some games... and watching movies, and a bit of Leno here, Letterman there...

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dhan - Do you have you 360 hooked via VGA cable if so what resolution?

Nope via component @ 1080i and it looks fantastic. I've tried VGA input with the PC but could only get 1024x768 (nvidia 6800) as stated in the book. So I decided to connect my PC via HDMI @ 1080i and the result is quite impressive. I can easily read very small text which I could barely read on my old Sony KDFE60A20 at 1080i (So I was using 720p on that set). I could try to hook up my 360 through VGA but I don't think the result will be on par or better than HDMI.
post #99 of 570
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I'm going to get a 62hm196. Before that my only concern is that how is the PQ of the SD signal? In the BB they only play their own HD programm and not able to show the SD to me. But mostly likely my singnal source will be a SD from digital box or Dish reciever for a while.

Plus, 8-9ft view distance is far enough? or it's too close to watch DVD and SD? I have a Sony NS75H doing the 1080i up scaling.

Thanks!

dehem I would consider the MX version for 2 reasons:

1 - You'll get 4 dynamic contrast settings (off, low, medium, high) instead of only 2 (off, on) with the hm model. (I use the two intermediate settings (low and medium) most of the time)
2 - You'll get individual color adjustment for 6 colors to get them right (toning down the red for example) which you won't get with the hm model.

I always say to my friends don't buy a HD set to watch SD. I say the same to you. SD is sill good enough for me on this set (better than on my old KDFE60A20) but worst than on my 27" CRT Tosh and on par with my 50" 4/3 Hitachi depending on the source.

DVDs (trough 360) are top notch on this set.

My viewing distance is about 12' and just fine for a 72". Further is better for SD tho...
post #100 of 570
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Nope via component @ 1080i and it looks fantastic. I've tried VGA input with the PC but could only get 1024x768 (nvidia 6800) as stated in the book. So I decided to connect my PC via HDMI @ 1080i and the result is quite impressive. I can easily read very small text which I could barely read on my old Sony KDFE60A20 at 1080i (So I was using 720p on that set). I could try to hook up my 360 through VGA but I don't think the result will be on par or better than HDMI.

My 360 is hooked up via VGA at 1024x768 only because it looks better than my old dvd player at 720p. I was just wondering because I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do about the 360 HD-DVD drive when it comes out. I guess I'm just going to go with the hd-a1 since it price is dropping now, and change the 360 over to component.

One other thing do you notice much SSE on your 196?
post #101 of 570
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Right on!!! and I'm still fooling around tuning the picture, trying different settings. I was also reading a bit about the 360 and upcoming PS3 in their respective forums... and trying new 360 demos... and watching new trailers... and playing some games... and watching movies, and a bit of Leno here, Letterman there...



Nope via component @ 1080i and it looks fantastic. I've tried VGA input with the PC but could only get 1024x768 (nvidia 6800) as stated in the book. So I decided to connect my PC via HDMI @ 1080i and the result is quite impressive. I can easily read very small text which I could barely read on my old Sony KDFE60A20 at 1080i (So I was using 720p on that set). I could try to hook up my 360 through VGA but I don't think the result will be on par or better than HDMI.

thanks for quick reponse! Budget is the issue, MX is couples hundred more than HM. I quite pleased with HM PQ so I could keep that money and throw it in a sound system. LOL
post #102 of 570
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thanks for quick reponse! Budget is the issue, MX is couples hundred more than HM. I quite pleased with HM PQ so I could keep that money and throw it in a sound system. LOL

In Canada, 72" Mx is 200$ more than HM. After negociating the salesman I got it for 150$ less than the HM (350$ rebate) ...Worth it
post #103 of 570
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My 360 is hooked up via VGA at 1024x768 only because it looks better than my old dvd player at 720p. I was just wondering because I'm trying to figure out what I'm going to do about the 360 HD-DVD drive when it comes out. I guess I'm just going to go with the hd-a1 since it price is dropping now, and change the 360 over to component.

One other thing do you notice much SSE on your 196?

??? I don't get why you don't plug your 360 through component cables? Do you own a 196? or you plan to buy it?
post #104 of 570
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In Canada, 72" Mx is 200$ more than HM. After negociating the salesman I got it for 150$ less than the HM (350$ rebate) ...Worth it

Could I know where you got this deal? The best price I can get right now 2700 inluding TAX for 62HM196. MX could be couple hundred more.
post #105 of 570
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SD on any 62" screen is not going to look very good, but the 62hm196 is no worse than most on SD. As far as DVD, I use the oppo upconverting to 1080i and it looks great from 9-10 ft. 8-9 ft. is actually close to ideal for this set but it may take you a while to adjust to it. The first week I had my mine I thought it was to big. Now I think its about perfect and could even be a little bigger.

Yeap! as per SMTPE or THX that 6-8ft should be the best for 62' to ensure the 30-36 degree viewing angle. But I also heard from other people feel dizzy on this distance.
post #106 of 570
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??? I don't get why you don't plug your 360 through component cables? Do you own a 196? or you plan to buy it?

I have a 72mx195 that will be exchanged with a 72mx196 next week due to some problems with the 195.

Video of 195 messing up

The reason I have the 360 hooked thru VGA is because while watching DVD's it will upconvert to 720p but only over VGA not component, besides that I would hook it up through component. Which is why I was planning on picking up a HD-A1 to solve all these problems.
post #107 of 570
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I have a 72mx195 that will be exchanged with a 72mx196 next week due to some problems with the 195.

Video of 195 messing up

The reason I have the 360 hooked thru VGA is because while watching DVD's it will upconvert to 720p but only over VGA not component, besides that I would hook it up through component. Which is why I was planning on picking up a HD-A1 to solve all these problems.

Ok I remember... saw this video in another thread.

I'm fairly new to this upconverting stuff.

Do you get better picture quality over vga? My 360 sends 480p via component for DVDs which is upconverted to 1080p by the TV and the resulting image quality is quite good. Is 720p through vga being upconverted to 1080p by the TV really better?
post #108 of 570
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Yeap! as per SMTPE or THX that 6-8ft should be the best for 62' to ensure the 30-36 degree viewing angle. But I also heard from other people feel dizzy on this distance.

Dizziness varies from one person to another. My wife gets dizzy more easily than me. I sometimes play racing/flying games at 6-7 feets just to get that itense immersion rush! no dizziness on my side.
post #109 of 570
They both look good, I do believe VGA on DVD's look a little better but it's hard to really tell because every time you switch cables you have to reboot. I have it hooked via component now and I'm just going to leave it that way.

On the other hand my DVD player upconverting to 720p or 1080i make a big difference .
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One other thing do you notice much SSE on your 196?

No I didn't notice much SSE on this screen. If I look for it (like I do right now) I can see some in a bright white picture but It's nowhere near as bad as it was on my KDFE60A20. It doesn't bother me on the 196 cause I can barely see it. I had to actually come down the basement and turn on the TV to see if there was some SSE cause I couldn't tell from memory...
post #111 of 570
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For movies

contrast : 85
brightness : 57
color : 38
tint : 0
sharpness : 5
dynamic contrast : low-med
DNR : off
MPEG NR : off (low or med if DVD is grainy)
Color temp : warm
vertical edge : low
lamp : low
color mngt :

Red : 0, -7, 0
Green -5, 5, 0
Blue : 0, 5, 0
Yellow : -7, 5, 0
Magenta : 0, 5, 0
Cyan : 10, 5, 0

For games

contrast : 90
brightness : 57
color : 42
tint : 0
sharpness : 5
dynamic contrast : med
DNR : off
MPEG NR : off
Color temp : warm
vertical edge : low
lamp : high bright
color mngt :

Red : 0, -7, 0
Green -5, 5, 0
Blue : 0, 5, 0
Yellow : -7, 5, 0
Magenta : 0, 5, 0
Cyan : 10, 5, 0

post #112 of 570
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Could I know where you got this deal? The best price I can get right now 2700 inluding TAX for 62HM196. MX could be couple hundred more.

$1171 less than msrp ----> videos only! (nor cal)
post #113 of 570
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$1171 less than msrp ----> videos only! (nor cal)


this is for the 72mx196 model. way cheaper than the $7k 70" xbr2.
post #114 of 570
My 62MX196 arrived Mon but I didn't get a chance to set it up until last night. Initial impressions:

I love this TV. The black looks great, and it's definitely not too big. HD channels look terrific and most SD looks better than I expected. I haven't done any tweaking beyond turning off edge enhancement and knocking down the contrast. (set to 100) So far no RBE, but I'm seeing a little more SSE than I'd like. I'm hoping some fine tuning can reduce it. At this point I'm very satisfied with the set. I just wonder why Toshiba's marketing strategy is to keep this baby a secret.

Pix in a couple days.
post #115 of 570
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My 62MX196 arrived Mon but I didn't get a chance to set it up until last night. Initial impressions:

I love this TV. The black looks great, and it's definitely not too big. HD channels look terrific and most SD looks better than I expected. I haven't done any tweaking beyond turning off edge enhancement and knocking down the contrast. (set to 100) So far no RBE, but I'm seeing a little more SSE than I'd like. I'm hoping some fine tuning can reduce it. At this point I'm very satisfied with the set. I just wonder why Toshiba's marketing strategy is to keep this baby a secret.

Pix in a couple days.

Looking foward to see those pics!
post #116 of 570
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Wow, 100 contrast? Must be for daytime viewing? I actually lowered my contrast to 65 and lowered the dynamic contrast to middle. Thankfully, these are temporary settings as I just got on Eliab's calibration tour. I am scheduled to have the TV calibrated on October 19th. Can't wait!

So? Is your set calibrated? I want some feedback!
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So? Is your set calibrated? I want some feedback!

Me too! Report! Report! Report!
post #118 of 570
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So? Is your set calibrated? I want some feedback!

Yeah, Eliab was here last night. He didn't finish until after 10:00 PM so I didn't get too much of a chance to really check out the before and after differences. One thing I will say is that Eliab really knows his business. I've had four professional calibrations and he was every bit as knowledgeable and detailed as anyone. I have no hesitation whatsoever in recommending him to anyone looking to get their set calibrated.

After cleaning up and getting in the shower etc., I had about a half hour to play. Right off the bat you could tell the flesh tones were very good. Not that they were bad before, but they just look more natural. The colors were more saturated with absolutely no red push. The Phantom of the Opera HD DVD seemed to leap off the screen at you. Very nice indeed. I think that this is the biggest difference so far, the color saturation plus the natural flesh tones. I have to stress that I liked the PQ before as well, although I had the red saturation at -6 to -7 on all inputs because of the red push. That's gone.

I quickly went through the cable stations and noticed a real improvement. In fact, Eliab was impressed with how well the display handled cable. It cleaned the picture up noticeably. It is sharper with less noise. My wife will be pleased. She likes to watch standard cable while I'm constantly on HD channels.

Other than the color on the HD, the picture looks a little more three dimensional. The Wedding Date was on last night in HD and the picture was almost too sharp/crisp. I was pleased though that it had no noise. When a picture is that sharp I always look for the noise. Honestly, though, and this is preliminary, the differences on HD before and after were kind of subtle, except for the color saturation which is clearly noticeable. So far, this is the most noticeable difference to me.

Eliab had some really nice things to say about the set. First off, this was the first 2006 cinema series he calibrated. After calibration he really liked the contrast and light ouput. Said it had a very large range. He was really, really impressed with the greyscale tracking. It was "dead on". The color decoder was average. He liked the fact that you could totally remove edge enhancement. I guess that in some displays you can't totally remove it. All in all, he was most favorable in his comments and seemed genuinely pleased with the performance of the set. Surprised even.

I'll post more after the weekend. Right now, I think that I want it to look better as much as it does look better because of my investment.

One more thing, he really liked the low gain screen. Was very impressed with it.
post #119 of 570
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One more thing, he really liked the low gain screen. Was very impressed with it.

What is low gain screen?

Did he made all the changes in the service menu only?

What are your user menu settings now?

Which items were about right out of the box?
post #120 of 570
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Eliab had some really nice things to say about the set. First off, this was the first 2006 cinema series he calibrated. After calibration he really liked the contrast and light ouput. Said it had a very large range. He was really, really impressed with the greyscale tracking. It was "dead on". The color decoder was average. He liked the fact that you could totally remove edge enhancement. I guess that in some displays you can't totally remove it. All in all, he was most favorable in his comments and seemed genuinely pleased with the performance of the set. Surprised even.

One more thing, he really liked the low gain screen. Was very impressed with it.

Eliab? Is this true?
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