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DirecTV + HDDVR = not bad (HR20 review)

post #1 of 24
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So I've been an avid Replayer for the past four years. I've had four replays working off directv sat receivers and haven't been happier.

That is, until I got a new HDTV and went for the directv HD. First off, HD from directv isn't bad at all. I get my locals in HD and am trying out the HD pack, which has around ten HD channels. TNT broadcasts a lot of good sci-fi reruns in HD (X-Files, Alias) and HDNet shows a variety of movies in HD. The HD looks BEAUTIFUL and I'm glad I got it.

I was lucky enough to get the new HR20 directv hd recorder. It's a dual tuner direct bitstream recorder that does the new MPEG-4 content. It's no replay, in any aspect, but it does work. Setting up recordings is a bit, uh, sketchy. You can hit record once in the guide to record one show or hit record twice to do a "series link". The series link works of a cron job that runs in the background and updates throughout the day -- this means that you can set up a series link and it won't schedule those recordings right away, which is kinda weird. There have been mixed results posted in the directv community on how the series link actually works. I've tried it with a couple of X-Files episodes, but haven't had a chance to do a "weekly" show yet.

It takes a LOT of button presses to get stuff done (e.g. you always have to hit the guide button twice to bring up the live tv guide). The recorded guide also takes two button presses to bring up (unless you get a new remote and program in the "list" command). The recorded guide is called "My VOD" and is horribly organized. Again, it's no replay. The shows are jumbled together into one large block and then multiple shows of the same name are in "folders" in that list.

Show navigation is done using FF and REV (1x, 2x, and 3x), skip back (a few seconds backwards -- not always the same amount of time) and "30 second slip" which fast forwards 30 seconds. There is no "slip back" like you find on TiVo (where you fast forward and if you hit play it goes back a couple of seconds).

There is no networking with the HR20, and we've been told not to expect multi-room viewing any time soon. There is, however, an ethernet port built into the unit.

Overall I'm happy with it, but it's no replay. I've decided to keep two of my replays to record all the SD content (one of the replays is connected to my H20 HD receiver set to 4:3 mode thanks to DOSman's USB to serial link). My roommate keeps commenting on how it doesn't skip commercials. I literally haven't seen more than a glimpse of a commercial in the past four years, so it's taking some getting used to.

I'd definitely recommend the HR20 and directv's HD service is great. Supposedly they are going to launch a large number of HD channels in the beginning of 07. De-commisioning my replays is a sad thing, but brining up a dual tuner HD recorder makes me forget my sadness.
post #2 of 24
I just ordered this unit from D*. I am also replacing my single, lonely Replay unit.

So let me get this straight - this has a 30-second skip feature? It lets you fast forward in 30 second blocks?

'Cause that's the one feature I was seriously lamenting losing by doing this. To me, that's "Commercial Skip". ShowNav on Replay never was reliable enough for me - I'm a stickler for linearity - so I've been using the 30-second-skip function.
post #3 of 24
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There is, however, an ethernet port built into the unit.

What is that used for?

CAn it do wireless and if so.. how would you set it up?
post #4 of 24
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I'd definitely recommend the HR20 and directv's HD service is great. Supposedly they are going to launch a large number of HD channels in the beginning of 07.

Unfortunately the large number of HD channels in 2007 are mostly HD local channels being delivered to large cities in the USA. I don't expect to much new HD content from DirecTV other than locals for a couple of years.

I currently have a DirecTV HR10-250 HD DVR. I enjoy HBOHD and SHOWHD from them but I don't feel the $10/month they charge for the other HD channels is worth it. I receive all my HD locals OTA. I have compared the DirecTV HD locals to HD OTA and found the HD OTA to be quite a bit sharper and more detailed than what DirecTV currently provides. Hopefully next year when DirecTV gets their additional satellites up, they will allocate more bandwidth the HD they provide.
post #5 of 24
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The thirty second skip is a thirty second "slip". It fast forwards thirty seconds (doesn't just jump 30 seconds). It works pretty reliably and you can queue them up (it displays how many you have queued up in the lower right-hand corner). I'm very used to the commercial advance because it worked like a champ for me. I definitely see a lot more commercials now.

The ethernet port at this point in time does nothing. Recently Intel has had some press releases saying that their Viiv technology would play nice with the HR20 and that picture and music sharing with the unit would likely be possible in the future. Also, there has been some inside talk on the HR20 forums that made hints at the possibility of multi-room viewing way down the road.

I've had the thing almost two weeks now and it's chugging along pretty well. There have been two or so lockups. We've been told to expect another software update "very soon". They seem to be putting them out about once every ten days.
post #6 of 24
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Originally Posted by budeone View Post

What is that used for?

CAn it do wireless and if so.. how would you set it up?

According to the talk over at the dbstalk forums, there are several key features not enabled on the HR-20. Ethernet is one of them; you still have to keep it hooked into a phone line. Also, the ATSC tuners are not yet enabled. There are some software bugs as well.

Regardless, I'm sure D* will rectify the issues over time. I just wish they had been rectified before release (or at least before I bought one).
post #7 of 24
Thanks for the update, melduforx. I was hoping for a Replay-like 30 second skip, but this will have to do. How fast is the fast forward in this mode? I have heard anything from 3x (ugh) to the 30-second period going by in 1.5s.
post #8 of 24
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Originally Posted by bpratt View Post

I have compared the DirecTV HD locals to HD OTA and found the HD OTA to be quite a bit sharper and more detailed than what DirecTV currently provides. Hopefully next year when DirecTV gets their additional satellites up, they will allocate more bandwidth the HD they provide.

Yes, OTA HD channels are sharper, but it's a tradeoff when you can't get the signal OTA. Also, DTV is in the process of upgrading it's MPEG4 equipment at the uplink facilities to provide better PQ.

The one main channel I'm looking forward to getting next year is FOX HD, which is supposed to carry FX content. (Nothing like Nip/Tuck in HD for all the gory glory!) I'm guessing they'll be adding MTV HD and the likes soon as well. Their HD locals market is actually pretty large (around 40 markets) and the last I heard they had just under 100 local markets served with SD.
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by old_skul View Post

Thanks for the update, melduforx. I was hoping for a Replay-like 30 second skip, but this will have to do. How fast is the fast forward in this mode? I have heard anything from 3x (ugh) to the 30-second period going by in 1.5s.

It's definitely longer than 1.5 seconds. I'd say 3 to 5 seconds for a 30 second slip.
post #10 of 24
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you still have to keep it hooked into a phone line.

While that may be what D* says, you definitely don't have to do it. I haven't had a phone line in four years and I've had D* the entire time.

It's only important if you want to order PPV through the receiver.
post #11 of 24
I just got mine yesterday after having the TIVO HR-10 for over a year. I must add that the manual on the HR-20 SUCKS big time and the recording interface is very clunky save for the ability to add a "season pass" by hitting the record button twice on a particular episode of a series.

Also the manual claims 4 FF and RW speeds that resume play on the 5th button push. Not so as it only has 3X speeds which only are terminated by pushing play.

The 30 second skip feature will be what I use now to bypass commercials as when you exit out of high speed FF or RW there is no rollback like the HR-10 has.

The remote is not as user friendly as the TIVO one in the fact that on the HR-10 I could use the recorder buttons all by "braille" whereas the HR-20's buttons are so small I can't imagine using them in the dark.

My unit seems to run okay except for not wanting to add "season pass" programs immediately to the "to do list". I'm not sure if there is just a lag when you add shows, or it intermittently just didn't want to add stuff.

I like the idea of bookmarking recorded shows--that's a really cool feature. But I can't imagine wanting to keep a show on the hard drive forever without transferring to DVD or the like.

Anyway, I was quite happy with my HR-10, but the chance to try the latest technology at a price I couldn't refuse was the compelling factor for me to upgrade. But if I had to pay $300 or so like I've heard others paid, I would recommend keeping your HR-10. Of course if you are just getting into HD then the $300 is a good deal.
post #12 of 24
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snowghost, thanks for the backup. I got yelled at in the HR20 forum for suggesting that the HR20 was anything less then absolutely perfect.

You can do the "rollback" manually by hitting the skip back button to exit from FFwding or 30 second slipping.

The season passes will rarely get added immediately -- the HR20 does all its scheduling in the background and not in real time.

The HR20 is a great basic DVR. It's like a giant leap backwards in DVR technology, though. I'm desperate enough for HD (and irritated enough by crappy cable) that I'm willing to use it.

My biggest grip about the HR20 is that it is horribly organized.
post #13 of 24
Seems like all the HD DVR's are a giant step backwards compared to what we have for SD. I think the only real choice now is an HTPC in whatever flavor you want. And that market is also starting to be filled by folks selling HTPC's based on Myth. As long as they don't try to go nationwide (a la Replay or Tivo) and/or don't try to make it an easy to use appliance for the masses, they'll probably continue to fly under the *AA's fascist DRM radar.
post #14 of 24
HTPC is a never going to happen. Without Cablecard support, DRM kills everything. And CCLabs has already said cable card support will only be given to a "certified" DRM compliant box such as an HP model so and so with Windows Media Edition. Some box you cobble together with Linux running Myth being certified is not going to happen.
post #15 of 24
I understand that the Direct TV DVR COULD NOT be used on cable. It is right? If I connect up my Direct TV to the cable will it work?
post #16 of 24
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Seems like all the HD DVR's are a giant step backwards compared to what we have for SD.

With the exception of the new Tivo Series 3, I agree. Unfortunately, the Tivo is insanely expensive!
post #17 of 24
How is the S3 not a giant step backward? It can't do half the stuff the series 2 can and probably (according to the S3 project mngr) never will.
post #18 of 24
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I understand that the Direct TV DVR COULD NOT be used on cable. It is right? If I connect up my Direct TV to the cable will it work?

The directv HR20 (and any other directv dvr) is only for directv service (and OTA signals if they ever activate it).

It would be useless with any other provider.
post #19 of 24
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How is the S3 not a giant step backward? It can't do half the stuff the series 2 can and probably (according to the S3 project mngr) never will.

All I was saying is that the S3 is by far the most capable stand-alone HD DVR right now. IMHO, there is nothing else even close when it comes to the primary task of time shifting HD shows. Yes, it's a step backward when compared to some of the capabilities of a Replay or the older Tivos, but the S3 undeniably blows away the HD DVR's provided by the cable companies. The Moto 6412 pretty much sucks, and don't get me started on the Scientific Atlanta box. That thing is an absolute POS!
post #20 of 24
I just got my HR20 this past Saturday and have lots to say - mostly good, but a couple of minor complaints. First of all, PQ is great. I know everyone says D* is HD Lite, but between my OTA and D* Local Channels, there is hardly any difference at all. It looks great, and the Dolby 5.1 with my Sony receiver is phenomenal. The other HD channels vary: Discovery is the best, while HBO HD & Showtime HD are slightly less, but still significantly better than SD or DVD in 480p.

A few complaints. As a TiVo user for SD w/ D*, there are a couple of features I have gotten used to. The most annoying to me is that the HR20 has no slip back when FFing or Rewinding (when you FF and it jumps back automatically by a few seconds when you stop). Does anyone know if this is something that D* will update?

Also, the updates are pretty frequent and happen in the early a.m., and you can't watch TV while it's happening - this morning it took 20 minutes for it to come back online.

Another thing that is a bit jarring is when I hit the 6-second rewind button multiple times in a row, the box will "freeze up" (the screen goes to black - almost like a hiccup) then about 2-3 seconds later the picture comes back. Is this because of HD specifically or is it an issue with the HR20?

These are minor complaints however. I am otherwise VERY happy with my HR20. Great picture and very easy to use.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by antnyp73 View Post

The most annoying to me is that the HR20 has no slip back when FFing or Rewinding (when you FF and it jumps back automatically by a few seconds when you stop). Does anyone know if this is something that D* will update?

They've already said that will never be a feature. It's a TiVO patent.

What I do is use the skip back button to exit from FF and it takes you to where you should be.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by melduforx View Post

They've already said that will never be a feature. It's a TiVO patent.

What I do is use the skip back button to exit from FF and it takes you to where you should be.

That's a great idea. I'm going to try that tonite.

Since you know so much about this unit, do you know if there is a way to opt out of seeing the "Searching for satellite signal in 1/2" message? It was continually flashing on the screen last nite while I was watching a recorded show. With TiVo, that message only flashed when I was watching Live TV. Thanks!
post #23 of 24
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They are working on a fix for that. Pretty much everyone is complaining about it.

If you want to join in the fun, there's a HR20 forum at dbstalk.com
post #24 of 24
Any comments on the audio capabilities of this unit?

I'm mostly curious as to which would provide better audio, the audio passed through via HDMI or using the optical audio out?

Thanks for any insight!
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