Will temporary lack of 1080p24 native output hurt HD-DVD? - Page 4

OK, I go back on everything I say! I saw the Pioneer blu ray hooked up to their 50" 1080p (5000EX in the UK) at 1080p24 and there is still judder! It just looked more uniform than HD DVD, I guess judder is here to stay for a while. Interestingly the sim2 HT5000 was projecting HD DVD MI3 on a 12' screen and judder was less noticeable than the 50" pioneer, which leads me to believe that processing is the main consideration when reducing judder. I am off to buy a XA-1 now!

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And then there is this comment, posted on endgagethd.com today in reference to the addition of the Reon-VX chip to the Toshiba HD-XA2 HD-DVD player that is just being released:

"The issue is that the new "next gen" dvd formats support overlays. So what happens is that things like menus, chapters, timelines, picture in picture needs to be rendered on top of the movie and then shown on the TV. The processing which occurs to add these elements to the signal is occuring on an interlaced picture (the components to do it on a 1080p24 signal are still too expensive (I suppose). Therefore they need a chip like this to convert the updated picture from the modified 1080i60 into the 1080p60 output.

It is unfortunate that typically all you want to do is just watch the movie which would be a straight transfer, but they do need to support all of the advanced features."

Does this mean true pass-through is actually not possible? And can this Reon-VX chip convert the modified 1080i60 into 1080p24 output?

i have a small question then.. is the 3:2 pulldown done in the player? i always thought that they did it on the discs, i mean that they produced the HD DVD's in 60hz/fps ? but where exactly is the 3:2 pulldown happening? when i understand where it is happening i think i will better be understanding what need to be done to fix it i guess

The content on the disks is 1080p24. The player performs the 3:2 pulldown to output at 1080i60. The XA2 has a second video chip, the SO REON, that takes the 1080i60 and deinterlaces it. And with a firmware update that is reportedly coming, will be able to perform reverse pulldown, to get back to the 1080p24 output.

deinterlaces it to 1080p?

To be precise, in the current configuration deinterlaces it to 1080p60 (relatively useless).

There have been reports of an upcoming firmware update that will enable 1080p24 (much better).

However, I doubt any of the G2 HD DVD players will feature native 1080p24 straight from the disc.

I don't think there's any doubt about it. The configuration of the current players won't allow it, unless the A20 is a major departure for the design of the XA2.

so if its not gona be native from the disc, we will have somethng like:

- from disc (1080/24) -> 1080i/60 -> 1080p/60 -> 1080/24 ?

thats a hell of alot converting back and forth..