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post #331 of 3245
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Originally Posted by AcuraCL View Post

We could be at one week by the end of the season.

I just hope what Mystery Man is doing is revealed by then else i may scream. I don't do well with long drawn out stories where 30 minutes of the 40+ feel a little light content wise.

On another note. Not being wise to the ways of health care in the US, but when the mayor gets threatened with an investigation into the state of the hospital fallout shelter, would that fly at all? I know when i first came to the US there were many more fallout shelter signs etc than there are now, and I thought that these shelters had been generally abandoned ? If the health center is private, how could the city be responsible for the fallout shelter? Anyone got any insight?
post #332 of 3245
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Originally Posted by lrowland View Post

Did anyone else notice the sleazy brother did have a Geiger counter in hand as he went out and it registered nothing! Logically, this would tell us that the explosions were not nuclear in nature - is that even possible? I know the US military has big conventional bombs that are about as large as some of those we dropped on Japan (about 1KTon??). Theses would not be big enough but maybe they have larger. Here is a link to an article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...033001735.html
-Larry

Could the bombs used have been Hydrogen Bombs? I think H-Bombs are supposed to be "clean" because they use fusion (like in the sun) as opposed to fission, and don't release radioactive materials. I don't know how that would explain the birds, but that could explain the lack of radioactivity.

Then again, next week, when we see a Denver refugee, that might change things.
post #333 of 3245
I think it is funny that the little grocery store was waiting for a full shipment of food and other supplies on a train. Is everything the store needs on the train? Nothing gets shipped in from a truck? It looked like there was a lot more than the store needed in there as well. Where did the engineer of the train go? Why did they hit the car? Will the kid move the car and drive the train into town and become a hero? Will the lady in the store still charge people for food once it is stocked up again? Does the train have a refrigeration car so that they can store perishables in there? This train will keep everyone with food for a while and keep the show going until their crops and cattle can be used.

Also in the first episode it looked like the old people in the other car that hit the Roadrunner were already dead before the crash.
post #334 of 3245
On the topic of fallout there's a good article at wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout

I'd been wondering about the fallout issues myself and whether the geiger counters had ever been used before, calibrated, or were even working.
post #335 of 3245
Hydrogen bombs have fallout. To get the heat for the fusion explosion they set off a fission reaction at least thats what I read somewhere ages ago but there is no clean nuc that I know of.
post #336 of 3245
The Denver refugee seems to know Mystery Man. Something's up, but I don't believe Mystery Man will have any problems killing Denver guy if he thinks his cover is about to be blown.
post #337 of 3245
maybe the answer to lack of fallout lies here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter_weapon

"beam me to next wednesday scotty"
post #338 of 3245
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Originally Posted by MisterHawkins View Post

I just hope what Mystery Man is doing is revealed by then else i may scream. I don't do well with long drawn out stories where 30 minutes of the 40+ feel a little light content wise.

On another note. Not being wise to the ways of health care in the US, but when the mayor gets threatened with an investigation into the state of the hospital fallout shelter, would that fly at all? I know when i first came to the US there were many more fallout shelter signs etc than there are now, and I thought that these shelters had been generally abandoned ? If the health center is private, how could the city be responsible for the fallout shelter? Anyone got any insight?

Good question. Before 9/11, I would bet that most towns about the size of Jerico, were in about the same shape as Jericho (shelters exist but weren't actively stocked/maintained) ... since 9/11, and with Homeland Security now the current popular buzzword, I think many towns where shelters might exist, these issues are receiving a bit more attention. Really small towns might not ever have had shelters, still don't, and likely never will.
post #339 of 3245
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Originally Posted by MisterHawkins View Post

Jake drives for 50 miles ("he should have done 50 miles by now, lets try him on the radio"), and finds 2 downed planes.

Where did the pasengers go ? Why does he not see any people on the way ?

I mean, its not like the planes landed near any town. So why did they just not stick around. Also surely they'd have been better off in the plane with the fallout than out of the plane...

I noticed this too and thought the writers can't just gloss over it. It would have been a pretty big and frustrating oversight. However, Jake was asked where all the people from the planes might have gone and he replied he didn't know. So they did address it in the script and also created another mystery.
post #340 of 3245
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Originally Posted by Argee View Post

Hydrogen bombs have fallout. To get the heat for the fusion explosion they set off a fission reaction at least thats what I read somewhere ages ago but there is no clean nuc that I know of.

Certainly none is totally clean, especially at ground zero.

However, a fusion bomb is considerably cleaner than a fission bom of the same total yield. All of our fusion enhanced weapons use smaller cores than the bombs used on Japan, even they they have 10X-100X the total yield.

(Of course, we presumably didn't attack ourselves, either. Since we don't know who attacked us in this story, it is hard to estimate their nuclear capability. But the fact remains, we tested over 100 nuclear weapons above ground on the Nevada test range in the 50's and 60's, only testing large (multimegaton) weapons in the Pacific.)
post #341 of 3245
I'd always been under the impression that Russian bombs were dirtier than US bombs because they favored ground detonations over airbursts (some people say because their fusing systems were not as advanced as the US ones).
post #342 of 3245
Well, if im not mistaken (which i very may well be), in a H Bomb, it uses a 'dual core' setup (so to say), which blows the fissionable material first, which as another poster said, creates enough energy to make a fusion reaction.

It may be possible, if im not mistaken, a Neutron Bomb(s), which would release a massive amount of quickly decaying radiation, but would kill every living thing extremely quickly, but that really wouldnt explain alot, just another something to throw out there!
post #343 of 3245
ok lets look at what we do know about mr st louis.


he know alot about what to do in the aftermath.

the tells the new guy he wasn't so post to go back to denver...again like they knew it was going to happen.

he hiding stuff behind a new wall.

knows about more city's that was hit.

on another forum someone posted what the real morse code said

"I know a little bit of morse code. Here is what I was able to decode:
In the first scene: "..delta code delta 2 minute warning.."
In the second scene: "..score remains scoreless..."

so hopefully they know some people know morse code and that was another clue as into what his role is as in he was checking for new orders or how well it went off.



with all this i think he placed a bomb the new guy placed the denver bomb but didn't get far enough way. seeing how they are both in Jericho now i think that was the meeting place.

who do we think they are coming was to the st lousi guy as in giving him a update or to the city.
post #344 of 3245
Could be anyone:

[1] refugees
[2] military
[3] more denver people with nasty boils
[4] unknown persons who are related to denver man and to hawkins via some form of plot
[5] get the door its dominos
post #345 of 3245
Hawkins seems to pull two things from the lockup storage center. First is a green case seemingly full of m16 rifles. This is what falls open towards the camera.

The second thing is a large metal oil drum, with some form of package on top covered in duct tape.

Something I do know...get the tag of the U Haul...you probably want to make sure you don't rent that one.
post #346 of 3245
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Originally Posted by MisterHawkins View Post


On another note. Not being wise to the ways of health care in the US, but when the mayor gets threatened with an investigation into the state of the hospital fallout shelter, would that fly at all? I know when i first came to the US there were many more fallout shelter signs etc than there are now, and I thought that these shelters had been generally abandoned ? If the health center is private, how could the city be responsible for the fallout shelter? Anyone got any insight?


It depends. Since 9/11 Most towns/cities have an Emergency Action Plan that has to be signed off on by the Mayor. If he signed off on a Plan that included the 2 Fallout Shelters, but didn't maintain/inspect them then he could be liable. If nothing else, it's a major political bullet. Who's he gonna pass the blame to, the Deputy Mayor? :-)

But my sense of it was that the wannabe mayor was trying to deflect attention away from himself and the murder of that claustrophoic teacher. I LOVED how McRaney put him in his place Alpha Dog style. That guy crawled out of there with his tail between his legs. :-)
post #347 of 3245
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Originally Posted by willbready View Post

Will the lady in the store still charge people for food once it is stocked up again?


She certainly has seemed pretty mercenary about the whole thing. It's the end of the world and she's worried about her sales/inventory? I understand her concerns, but public welfare will always come before private commerce in a situation like that.

How are people supposed to pay her anyway? Banks are closed, noone can work. If the situation is bad enough, the money won't be worth the paper it's printed on.
post #348 of 3245
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Originally Posted by MisterHawkins View Post

I'd always been under the impression that Russian bombs were dirtier than US bombs because they favored ground detonations over airbursts (some people say because their fusing systems were not as advanced as the US ones).

I remember reading about this...the Russians believed in overkill because their delivery systems (especially missiles) weren't anywhere near as accurate as ours. So they built theirs BIG (in terms of Megatons). So whereas we might use 1 or 2 warheads to take out one of their cities, they might use 2 or 3 times that number to take out one of ours.
post #349 of 3245
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Originally Posted by RDK006 View Post

Also out of "common sense."

Thomas Paine wrote science fiction??
I had originally mentioned "Inconstant Moon" the 1973 short story by Larry Niven as the basis for cooking the food. So you don't have to go back a few pages and check. An excellent story for fans of sci-fi and worth checking out.
post #350 of 3245
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Originally Posted by Iteki View Post

She certainly has seemed pretty mercenary about the whole thing. It's the end of the world and she's worried about her sales/inventory? I understand her concerns, but public welfare will always come before private commerce in a situation like that.

How are people supposed to pay her anyway? Banks are closed, noone can work. If the situation is bad enough, the money won't be worth the paper it's printed on.

Yeah, she certainly didn't seem very giving. She'd rather have all that food rot in her store than feed the people. She seemed all too concerned with what she'd get out of it than a nuke just went off.

And actually grilling outside after a nuke hits seems just like what some people I know would do
post #351 of 3245
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Originally Posted by r3gul8or View Post

i was just saying i have a 5W GMRS moto and i can go about 5-6 miles with it when I go camping. Perfect conditions are rare IMO.

If they have an amplified tower that is tall enough, my understanding is that those radios could easily get 15-25 mile radius...granted not 50, but I would think farther out than only 5-6...
post #352 of 3245
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Originally Posted by CJPC View Post

Well, Nobody beat me to it (maybe someone can get a better cap)

Here is the 'target' 's shown on the bar TV, apparently randomly adjusting a cband dish will pick up an asian feed in the middle of the USA :P

Arg, Imageshack wont let me up it, here -> www.ps2nfo.com/ppcj/Jericho-Cap.png

Guess I cant post inline IMG's, just give it a click!

Looks like:
Chicago, IL
NYC, NY,
Atlanta GA,
Dallas, TX
Denver, CO
San Francisco, CA
San Diego, CA
Kansas City, KS (per Flight Data Recorder)

A critical piece of information may be hiding in plain sight -- can anyone translate the Chinese writing above and below the map from the news report into English?
post #353 of 3245
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Originally Posted by CJPC View Post

But indeed, for that many targets, happening all at once, and the teaser for next week saying 'there coming', makes it seem invasion-ey, but who would drop troops in the middle of the USA? It just doesnt seem logistical. Unless, its the Canadians, (ha), but It has to be russia/china, everyone else can realistically be crossed out! (though one could make the claim that a UK sub was stolen, launched off our coasts -> would explain no warning, seems about the amount of misslies a missile sub would carry, but anyone know there range?)

I agree about the logistics... Being able to move troops around quickly seems like a rather mundane and low tech problem, but I'd be willing to bet that no other country has the logistical capability to move troops around the world quickly enough and in sufficient quantities to occupy the US, even after 10 major US cities have been nuked. As far as I know, the Chinese and the Russians have never transported significant numbers of ground troops anywhere but to countries within a few hundred miles of their own... and definitely not accross thousands of miles of ocean.
post #354 of 3245
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Originally Posted by jdiehl View Post

kucharsk - thanks for the info on C-band. What's puzzling is why the bar would have a nice new LCD HDTV hanging in the corner, but they're still using an analog C-band subscription service. Perhaps they don't have a DirecTV or Dish installer nearby?

Because they do have a HDTV hanging in the corner? (Actually, I think the bar's TV is a plasma, not an LCD.)

I know you added a smiley, but for anyone else, remember, the absolute highest quality SD signals you will ever see are full bandwidth analog C or Ku-band transmissions.

Likewise, the absolute highest quality HD signals you will ever see are the HD feeds available on C or Ku-band.

Both are received and recompressed highly to form the garbage spewing forth from D* and E*
post #355 of 3245
I just started watching this show. You do have to suspend a bit of belief. I managed to find the first 2 episodes so I have now seen them all. Those weapons looked to be 4 US made M16A4 rifles and they were in a green container. That barrel had a square brown bag duct taped on it but no other identifying marks. The remark about the birds flying thru the radiation was made by the fake cops. Even looking close and repeating it, I could not tell if those things near the plane were suppose to be rats or debris. I think it was debris though. I assume the rain was meant to not be radioactive?

Right now they have my interest but I can see it going either way. I think how they play the Hawkins character may have a lot to do with it.
post #356 of 3245
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Originally Posted by johnbe View Post

I assume the rain was meant to not be radioactive?

That was the conclusion I drew as well especially since everyone ran out of the shelter right after the rain and no one got sick. And the brother did the Gieger counter after eveyone was running out - kind of a stupid way to handle things.

If the rain was infact radioactive, we better start to see some major death in the next two episodes.
post #357 of 3245
On doing a little reading it seems that the fallout situation is going to depend on many variables including:

(1) type of bomb and materials used to make the bomb and the type of construction internally
(2) airburst or groundburst
(3) meteorological factors. If it has been raining hard then the fallout may be much more intense towards Denver.
(4) the storm track. Did it come direct from Denver to Jericho, or did Jericho get outter rain bands from the storm.

Seems its not so cut and dried as I thought it was.
post #358 of 3245
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Originally Posted by johnbe View Post

I The remark about the birds flying thru the radiation was made by the fake cops.

AHA. I still wonder if they are fake birds too. Or fake deaths.
post #359 of 3245
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Originally Posted by willbready View Post

Yeah, I wish that I could find a screen cap of the creatures coming out of the aircraft in the background. They were hard to make out from that far away. They looked like black dots. Maybe someone who still has it saved can post a screen cap. This is where HD makes a difference. Can someone go to that scene and tell us what you think?

I saw that and had to rewind it. I think it was just debries. What I don't get about the plane crash is why the survivors disapeared and didn't walk down the highway.

I think my new theory is that the cop is part of a sleeper cell that got cold feet and that the attacks were a coordinated terrorist attack.

I really want to like the show and so far I do, but all this hinky "Lost" like crap is about to tick me off.
post #360 of 3245
Crap. I just stumbled across this spoiler site. Check it out if you dare. It details the next several episodes with screencaps.

http://fallout.kryptonsite.com/
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