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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I am trying to get a better idea of what the best setup is for gaming.

I have a MITSBUSIHI 65" (731 model) capable of 1080p running to my GeForce 7900 GTX, but when I run games at 1920x1080 they get chopped at 1080p Standard. When I change the format to 1080p Reduced, the display fits the entire screen but the quality seems to diminish.

I am also running Win Media Center, and am thinking about changing it to XP Pro as I don't think I need the Media center capabilities and would rather have a fast and clean OS.

Is it completely out of the question to run games at Reduced mode, and is Win XP Pro recommended over MCE for gaming?
post #2 of 21
perhaps the problem is when you go to reduced mode you aren't getting 1:1 pixel mapping that you would at you sets native resolution.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Right, and any resolution between 720p and 1080p displays at 1080p on the TV and the size of the display area remains the same whether I am doing 1600x900 or 1920x1080. The resolution within the display area changes but the actual display area stays the same leaving me with the same problem.

For 720p I have to use the zoom feature to get the entire display to fit and I am pretty sure the quality is diminished with this feature also.
post #4 of 21
Yeah man, it seems without DVI it's a tougher go. I know my westy underscans the real 1080 p if done over HDMI. Black bars around screen. So i wasn't surprised the SXRD I want won't even show the start bar as it overscans. People run whacky resolutions tricking a 1:1. Like 1840*1015 or some whacky stuff like that on it.

So I feel ya because I want a different TV. My westy putting the black bar around the screen, means though im trying the native resolution its like Im not. Hence your lack in quality either way. PC should have 1:1 pixel mapping to get that razor sharp nothing else delivers. Look into your driver. NV may do it on the fly. I just wonder how games will react to whacky res's.

I really need the all in one Set. PC over DVI on my westy is the sweet, but there are better TV's. Anyone know a TV that will take 1:1 over DVI and support my PC as the westy, 1:1, please fire off.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Dude I got the PC connected VIA DVI (no HDMI adapter). Doesn't matter how I change the resolution the TV still chops it at Standard or doesn't fill the whole screen at Reduced. Its like it scales it to its default mode or something. I've tried using NVIDIA's overscan compensation and it doesn't change a thing.

I am actually pretty content at the moment as 1080p reduced isn't all the bad for games - for BF2 I almost like it more since it gives everything a very slight blur almost enhancing the realism. For 720p I use zoom mode which gives a pretty clear and solid picture also. For zoom/reduced it cuts the picture by about an inch and a half at each corner - since its a 65" I can live with a 60" picture.

I would like to, however, figure out how to do a 1:1 in Standard mode. I've gone into the service menu only to find weird ass abbreviations I don't understand.
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by kostya00 View Post

Dude I got the PC connected VIA DVI (no HDMI adapter). Doesn't matter how I change the resolution the TV still chops it at Standard or doesn't fill the whole screen at Reduced. Its like it scales it to its default mode or something. I've tried using NVIDIA's overscan compensation and it doesn't change a thing.

I am actually pretty content at the moment as 1080p reduced isn't all the bad for games - for BF2 I almost like it more since it gives everything a very slight blur almost enhancing the realism. For 720p I use zoom mode which gives a pretty clear and solid picture also. For zoom/reduced it cuts the picture by about an inch and a half at each corner - since its a 65" I can live with a 60" picture.

I would like to, however, figure out how to do a 1:1 in Standard mode. I've gone into the service menu only to find weird ass abbreviations I don't understand.

There are some options in the nvida control panel that control how the resolution is scaled before it is output. Look for a screenshot similar to this and play around with the options:
http://thaportal.com/upload/files/nvidia_scaling.png

Screenshot shows 4 radio buttons (try option 3):
1. Display adapter scaling (all resolutions are scaled in the video card and output at your displays native resolution)
2. Centered output (Sounds like what you are experiencing)
3. Monitor Scaling (Normal output, no vid-card scaling)
4. Fixed Aspect Ration scaling (not sure what this is)

Nate
post #7 of 21
Is there an overscan setting on the TV? My front projector has overscan settings... defaults to 10%, I had to back down to 0% to get 1:1.
post #8 of 21
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Originally Posted by kostya00 View Post

I am trying to get a better idea of what the best setup is for gaming.

I have a MITSBUSIHI 65" (731 model) capable of 1080p running to my GeForce 7900 GTX, but when I run games at 1920x1080 they get chopped at 1080p Standard. When I change the format to 1080p Reduced, the display fits the entire screen but the quality seems to diminish.

I am also running Win Media Center, and am thinking about changing it to XP Pro as I don't think I need the Media center capabilities and would rather have a fast and clean OS.

Is it completely out of the question to run games at Reduced mode, and is Win XP Pro recommended over MCE for gaming?

Can you get rid of the Mits? An LCD with 1080p input is the bar-none best PC gaming display out there right now, although some projectors are getting close but of course require different lighting standards/wall real estate than you're using now.

XP/MCE make no difference for HTPC gaming in my experience, although you may have a lot more stuff running in the background of an MCE HTPC that could affect game performance (I use WinTasks to shut all that stuff down when it's game time though).
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by karson View Post

Can you get rid of the Mits? An LCD with 1080p input is the bar-none best PC gaming display out there right now, although some projectors are getting close but of course require different lighting standards/wall real estate than you're using now.

XP/MCE make no difference for HTPC gaming in my experience, although you may have a lot more stuff running in the background of an MCE HTPC that could affect game performance (I use WinTasks to shut all that stuff down when it's game time though).

I have been running Reduced mode with about 1.5" off each corner on a 65" 1080p TV. I have a Dual NVidia 7900 GTX SLI setup and the games are insane. I also have a Toshiba HD-DVD player and movies are awesome. I love the big screen, and if I want to have a 65" for a 3k budget I am pretty sure that I am in good shape.
post #10 of 21
This is a shot but have you tried going thru your "services menu?"

In the past I have set up my computer with bare minimum services not only to give the CPU "breathing time" but to allow all the power possible to the other components - I know we all have pretty great PSUs but in the past PSUs were part of the problem - Like the other poster said - what is running in the background (trying to steal CPU Cylces)

I have not been able to find it but there was a guide for what services to shut down on XP etc on these forums I just can't find it any more

Maybe we should all play with that and see what we come up with
My two cents

Starship Warrior
post #11 of 21
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Originally Posted by kostya00 View Post

I have been running Reduced mode with about 1.5" off each corner on a 65" 1080p TV. I have a Dual NVidia 7900 GTX SLI setup and the games are insane. I also have a Toshiba HD-DVD player and movies are awesome. I love the big screen, and if I want to have a 65" for a 3k budget I am pretty sure that I am in good shape.

Sure, as I said originally the problem is the Mits and not your PC, which other posts in the thread have subsequently confirmed. The Mits obviously can't properly display a 1080p60 PC signal over DVI like the product literature and user manual claim it can (http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/img/287662), which I would be upset about no matter what kind of deal I got, especially as a fellow PC gaming enthusiast.

Even if you're happy with the reduced picture quality/underscan you may be able to get a couple hundred bucks back or a free maintenance package from your dealer, give it a try!
post #12 of 21
Did anyone ever figure out how to get rid of the overscan on the Mits? I was about to buy the same model mostly because of the DVI PC connection, but if it overscans that much, maybe it isn't a good choice.

Does this only happen with games, or is the desktop chopped off too?
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Clienthes View Post

Did anyone ever figure out how to get rid of the overscan on the Mits? I was about to buy the same model mostly because of the DVI PC connection, but if it overscans that much, maybe it isn't a good choice.

Does this only happen with games, or is the desktop chopped off too?

The desktop signal should be identical to the game signal (i.e. 1080p60), unlike the flaky old analog modes, so I'd bet it's happening with the desktop too.
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
I think what fair solution would be is to find out exactly how many pixels are shown in reduced mode. If we know that exact resolution, we may be able to display a clear picture with a bit of black around the sides. I don't think 4 inches off a 65" screen is nearly as big a deal as reduced quality.
post #15 of 21
This is a problem with the Mits displays and they have no plans/intention of a firmware update to fix this (I contacted them on this issue).

I have a request in to ATI so their drivers will allow me to create a custom 1080p resolution which can be done with 1080i and 720p. Check with Nvidia to see if they can add that option in a future update. Maybe the card manufacturers will come through for us where Mitsu failed.
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
What do you mean by creating a 1080p resolution using 1080i?
post #17 of 21
Hi folks,
I'm afraid I'm the dumb newbie here, but I just got a Sony KDL 40V2500 40" HDTV. In talking to Sony Reps, I find their PC connection only supports a max of 1400 x 1050. That resolution is not wide screen for one thing and I am panting to get the full capabilities of 1920x1080P. I have managed at least to get a wide screen desktop (without having to S-T-R-E-T-C-H the image) by dropping down to 1360x768 through the PC connection.

Anyway, I'm about to go down to Best Buy and get a DVI to HDMI cable and hook it up to my Nvidia GS 7900 on a Intel Conroe 3300 running Windows XP. Has anyone been successful in running at the full native 1920 x 1080P in similar circumstances and have any corresponding advice and pointers? This stuff is ALL new to me. I'm a fast learner but virgin.
Thanks
post #18 of 21
I have a sharp 52" lcd with a native 1920x1080p hooked up to a 8800gtx (DVI->HDMI) looks great!
post #19 of 21
Kostya00

Try this under you video card settings.

Properties/Settings/Advanced/7900GTX Tab/Green arrow on left side (pops out to the left)/Screens Resolutions & refresh rates/check box saying hides modes monitor cannot support/check box on bottom says show standard HDTV formats/ APPLY and Ok

After doing this it worked for me with my Sharp Aquos 52' and I am using 2 7900 GTO's in SLI.

Let me know if this helps.

MY COMPUTER
post #20 of 21
I just ordered an ATI X1950XT 256MB and It will be hooked up to my 37"
LVM-37W3 Westy via DVI. Anyone know if this card can output 1920x1080@60hz on this TV without any problems?
Thanks in advance!
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by SAVholic View Post

I just ordered an ATI X1950XT 256MB and It will be hooked up to my 37"
LVM-37W3 Westy via DVI. Anyone know if this card can output 1920x1080@60hz on this TV without any problems?
Thanks in advance!

It shouldn't be a problem at all.
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