Warner picture bit rates for BD.

This is from an earlier hddvd thread I started. Some of the data is very pertinent to the recent Widescreen review interview with Chris Walker of Pioneer and Don Ekland of Sony concerning VC1 bit rates. Don claims the bitrate of HDDVD's with VC1 is 20 mbps average or the same as current mpeg-2 BD. Cjplay posted some bitrates from Warner titles that are identical on either format with the exception of Rumour Has It which is in mpeg-2 on BD.


What Cjplay is talking about is average bit rate ABR and Peak bit rate PBR not picture bit rate. tormond was confused concerning this and he found the old posts. He just didn't bother reading beyond cjplay's 1st post as this is all clearly explained that PBR is the peak bit rate. As you can see here the average for these 7 titles is 14 mbps. The peak average of the 7 is 20.8 mpbs.[list

for more info go to Average bit rate of VC-1 on Warner or Universal titles? in hddvd software section.

Okay then Phantom of the Opera, Rumour Has It, Dukes, Firewall all released more than 2 months ago average bit rate is 14.3 mbps.

Also your quote is not even remotely accurate.

WSR Weber: We have been told that the VC1 encoding bit rate on most of the HDDVD releases thus far have averaged 12 megabits with a peak of 20.

Ekland: Gary, I can tell you that this is patently false. If you put any of these discs in the Toshiba computer and you look at the file size you'll find that on average, the bit rate for all the VC1 files-the average rate, not the peak-is 20 mbps.

Yes, Ekland is claiming any HDDVD as stated above if put in a computer will show an average rate of 20mpbs.

The article is brand new so I can't imagine its much older than a month.

As you can see 16.4 mbps being the highest for Rumour Has It is not even remotely approaching 20 mbps or the needed 24 to 27 mbps titles to average them all out to 20 mbps.

This is not a Blu Ray bashing thread at all as your Warner releases will look identical to mine on HDDVD and thankfully Warner is releasing on the format as they are by far the best looking titles as a whole by manufacturer that you have. It is rather biased toward VC1 though. BD-50 will be needed for high def in Mpeg-2 to really shine and show the consistency that only HDDVD has shown up till now. Ekland also mentioned he was very pleased with the picture quality of all the BD-25 releases. I wonder if you all feel the same? These are the same releases that convinced me to return my Samsung player.

You are correct Darin the average peak is 20.8 mbps. My mistake.

Thanks for the input sspears. If Don is doing this he is wrong. If you read the article the debate is very clearly about video quality only, mpeg-2 vs. VC1. They are claiming great results at 18 mbps mpeg-2, again video only and he is claiming the video bit rates are all at 20 mbps VC1 for hddvd. The PIP for IME may be VC1, probably, bit I'm not sure. The audio on a hddvd is not encoded in VC1 as it is in DD+ bitstream or True HD bitstream. The extras are all mpeg-2, etc.

Agreed Jon and I also tend to believe Cjplay's numbers who is a compressionist at Warner are entirely accurate.