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post #481 of 7514
Yeah, bring on the Panny 1080p 65"er!!! It's my thinking the comparisons of the new or upcoming 1080p displays in the 60+" range will really show the spike in PQ. Can't wait!..and would like to see a all new Pioneer 1080p PRO 60"er at CES this year!
post #482 of 7514
Davyo - One way to look at it is you have an extra $3500 or so in your pocket (or a lower payment book) with the Pio 6070. I bet you'll hang on until the commercial version arrives in all black. Have Panny phased out the ONYX?
post #483 of 7514
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Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

Davyo - One way to look at it is you have an extra $3500 or so in your pocket (or a lower payment book) with the Pio 6070. I bet you'll hang on until the commercial version arrives in all black. Have Panny phased out the ONYX?


"Westa", you so read my mind, that is what my plans are exactly.
When the commercial 1080 65 inch Panny comes available thats the one I will be getting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, unless the stupid-ass's at Panasonic decide to make it with a big ass silver bezel.


Davyo
post #484 of 7514
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Originally Posted by davyo View Post

"Westa", you so read my mind, that is what my plans are exactly.
When the commercial 1080 65 inch Panny comes available thats the one I will be getting,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, unless the stupid-ass's at Panasonic decide to make it with a big ass silver bezel.


Davyo

Davyo,

Keep an eye out for a Hitachi Commercial on their new 1080P 42" panel. Panels way to small for me but the friggin commercial's clarity was amazing - I'd swear it was broadcasting 1080P on my Sharp - the irony is they made my Sharp look better than it ever has and had me saying WoW how did they do that!

It's short - it has a woman walking a white tiger/leopard and then colored diamonds splash down across the screen but the clarity of this short commercial aired during the PGA on TNT HD as I turned my head from my PC had me verbalizing WOW - sort of like but better than CSI Miami. I cannot imagine 1080P being better and my Sharp's limit is 1080 Native (i). Never seen a commercial make your existing TV look so amazing?

Oh Well, enjoy your 60". Nothing like a black panel - mine disappears at night pretty much and during the day provides more pop than my silver Sharp.
post #485 of 7514
westa, I'm not positive but I believe that Hitachi commercial is for the 1080i Alis panel. It does look great with HD in terms of clarity and detail but the blacks aren't so hot. Nice commercial though.
post #486 of 7514
1024 x 1080i Display Resolution
post #487 of 7514
Hmmm, torn between getting the Pioneer 6070 now or trying to wait for October for the 65" Panny commercial 1080p panel. 5 inches + higher resolution vs. $3500 in pocket and nice glossy bezel.
post #488 of 7514
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Originally Posted by davyo View Post

I never saw any black problems on the 58" Pannys I looked at, the Panny colors look great even on the 58 inchers.
It was the pixel blocking thing that really freaked me out on how bad it was.
.... Davyo

Dayvo -

I'm curious what you mean by "pixel blocking". I haven't noticed this on the 58PX600U that I own. What does it look like?

- Tim
post #489 of 7514
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Dayvo -

I'm curious what you mean by "pixel blocking". I haven't noticed this on the 58PX600U that I own. What does it look like?

- Tim

I guess the best way to explain it is that when I looked at the Panny 58 inchers at every store I went to, at a close distance, 2 or 3 feet away, the picture looked very digitized, some would consider it macroblocking or very pixelated.
My 50 inch Panny does it a little but not near as much as the 58 inchers I looked at, but then again the 50 and 58 inchers are the same resolution as I recall so filling a 58 inch screen is going to be harder givin the same resolution.
When I demoed the Pio 60 incher even up close the picture was much smoother and very watchable even at 2 or 3 feet away.
Anyhow, I fully expected the Pio 6071 to look the same as the Panny 58 incher at 2 or 3 feet away and was very suprised they did not look the same.
Being a member of this forum for all these years has had its bad side, it has made me much more critical when buying or looking at any display, I always try to buy what I find to be the best display I can get and afford. Right now in my humble opinion the Pio 60 incher is the overall winner in the 58 Panny vs the Pio 60 incher, but like I said a few post ago, that is all going to change once the 1080 Panny comes out (I have seen it live and in person) so the Pio 60 incher will be my second choice come October when the Panny comes out.

Davyo
post #490 of 7514
What's the MSRP on the Panny? Thanks

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Originally Posted by davyo View Post

I guess the best way to explain it is that when I looked at the Panny 58 inchers at every store I went to, at a close distance, 2 or 3 feet away, the picture looked very digitized, some would consider it macroblocking or very pixelated.
My 50 inch Panny does it a little but not near as much as the 58 inchers I looked at, but then again the 50 and 58 inchers are the same resolution as I recall so filling a 58 inch screen is going to be harder givin the same resolution.
When I demoed the Pio 60 incher even up close the picture was much smoother and very watchable even at 2 or 3 feet away.
Anyhow, I fully expected the Pio 6071 to look the same as the Panny 58 incher at 2 or 3 feet away and was very suprised they did not look the same.
Being a member of this forum for all these years has had its bad side, it has made me much more critical when buying or looking at any display, I always try to buy what I find to be the best display I can get and afford. Right now in my humble opinion the Pio 60 incher is the overall winner in the 58 Panny vs the Pio 60 incher, but like I said a few post ago, that is all going to change once the 1080 Panny comes out (I have seen it live and in person) so the Pio 60 incher will be my second choice come October when the Panny comes out.

Davyo
post #491 of 7514
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Originally Posted by Tallen234 View Post

What's the MSRP on the Panny? Thanks


$6K
post #492 of 7514
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Originally Posted by davyo View Post

I guess the best way to explain it is that when I looked at the Panny 58 inchers at every store I went to, at a close distance, 2 or 3 feet away, the picture looked very digitized, some would consider it macroblocking or very pixelated.
My 50 inch Panny does it a little but not near as much as the 58 inchers I looked at, but then again the 50 and 58 inchers are the same resolution as I recall so filling a 58 inch screen is going to be harder givin the same resolution.
When I demoed the Pio 60 incher even up close the picture was much smoother and very watchable even at 2 or 3 feet away.
Anyhow, I fully expected the Pio 6071 to look the same as the Panny 58 incher at 2 or 3 feet away and was very suprised they did not look the same.
Being a member of this forum for all these years has had its bad side, it has made me much more critical when buying or looking at any display, I always try to buy what I find to be the best display I can get and afford. Right now in my humble opinion the Pio 60 incher is the overall winner in the 58 Panny vs the Pio 60 incher, but like I said a few post ago, that is all going to change once the 1080 Panny comes out (I have seen it live and in person) so the Pio 60 incher will be my second choice come October when the Panny comes out.

Davyo

Hmm, is this with standard def or high def that you are seeing this digitized look on the Panny?

I've compared the HD pic quality of the 58" Panny to the 6071 at the local BB and I would say that they are interchangable (which is to say they both look great), with the Panny possibly edging out the Pio in black level. 480P DVDs on the 58" Panny look pretty darn close to HD in my experience, whereas cable SD is all over the map.
post #493 of 7514
BB has the 6071 on sale for $700.00 off $6,9999.00 online only for right now.

I went to haggle for a refund and they told me it couldn't be offered because I had used a 12% off coupon at the time of purchase, and that cannot be combined.
post #494 of 7514
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Hmm, is this with standard def or high def that you are seeing this digitized look on the Panny?

I've compared the HD pic quality of the 58" Panny to the 6071 at the local BB and I would say that they are interchangable (which is to say they both look great), with the Panny possibly edging out the Pio in black level. 480P DVDs on the 58" Panny look pretty darn close to HD in my experience, whereas cable SD is all over the map.

I just came back from BB where I looked at both the Panny 58" and the Pio 60" close up (I had to in the latter case due to the narrow aisle). Both were on HD feeds split many ways, so apples to apples (relatively). First, both were put to shame by one of the saleswomen (wow!!). Once I could get my attention back to the sets (she took a break), I found what Davyo said to be correct = the Panny was more pixellated up close. Both sets have great pictures, so I am not at all down on the Panny.
post #495 of 7514
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Originally Posted by thatcoder View Post

BB has the 6071 on sale for $700.00 off $6,9999.00 online only for right now.

I went to haggle for a refund and they told me it couldn't be offered because I had used a 12% off coupon at the time of purchase, and that cannot be combined.

Even with BB's discount, its still $1300 more than everywhere else (when you factor in the sales tax, its even more of a difference).

Check one of AVS Forum sponsors for a great deal on the Pioneer PDP-6070HD instead.
post #496 of 7514
Have any of the forum sponsers gotten the 6070's in to sell yet....
post #497 of 7514
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Originally Posted by Trackman View Post

I just came back from BB where I looked at both the Panny 58" and the Pio 60" close up (I had to in the latter case due to the narrow aisle). Both were on HD feeds split many ways, so apples to apples (relatively). First, both were put to shame by one of the saleswomen (wow!!). Once I could get my attention back to the sets (she took a break), I found what Davyo said to be correct = the Panny was more pixellated up close. Both sets have great pictures, so I am not at all down on the Panny.


Fair enough. Luckily it must not be that noticeable from normal viewing distances because I'm not bothered by any noise or pixelization with my 58PX600U.
post #498 of 7514
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Hmm, is this with standard def or high def that you are seeing this digitized look on the Panny?

I've compared the HD pic quality of the 58" Panny to the 6071 at the local BB and I would say that they are interchangable (which is to say they both look great), with the Panny possibly edging out the Pio in black level. 480P DVDs on the 58" Panny look pretty darn close to HD in my experience, whereas cable SD is all over the map.


I had seen this on the Pannys with mostly HD but also with SD,,,, no DVD.
And yes I do know it is not fair to judge a display in the store but I just find it odd that EVERY store I went to the Pannys had that look while the one Pio I purchased did not have that pixelized digital look.

Davyo
post #499 of 7514
Did anyone get the warranty from best buy. They told me $600. I guess you can keep renewing it up to 12years.. Probably wont be worth it for davyo, as he probably will go through a dozen displays in that time.
post #500 of 7514
^^^^ Why bother when a aftermarket warranty from MACK can be bought for a third of the price, is the better question? CLICK HERE
post #501 of 7514
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Originally Posted by davyo View Post

I had seen this on the Pannys with mostly HD but also with SD,,,, no DVD.
And yes I do know it is not fair to judge a display in the store but I just find it odd that EVERY store I went to the Pannys had that look while the one Pio I purchased did not have that pixelized digital look.

Davyo

I'm starting to think that there are picture processing differences between the 60U's and the 600Us, even though they are supposed to be the same.

I have a friend that recently bought a 42" 60U and his picture looks grainier than my 600U, especially with his sharpness control at the default. Whereas the picture on my 58" 600U never looks noisy no matter how high the sharpness is set. When looking at a 50" 60U at a local Magnolia AV, it also looked noisy.

Would you say that this "pixelation" you saw could also be referred to as noise or grain? Were you looking at a 58" 60U or 600U?

I just want to say that I am not trying to defend my purchase or sway anyone into buying a Panny over a Pioneer. I'm just trying to figure out why it seems you are seeing something that I am not.

FWIW - Before I bought the 58PX600U I was determined to buy a Sony SXRD. One of the things I'm very critical of is a noisy, "digital" looking picture as I coming from a RP CRT. CRTs, IMO look more natural than any of the digital TVs I had seen until recently. I was even more surprised when I saw the 58PX600U, as up to that point every plasma I had seen looked noisy and full of artifacts. The 600U equaled or bettered the SXRD in every area save ultimate resolution (and even that difference was negligible at my 10 foot viewing distance).

I also had a fellow videophile friend over to watch some HD DVDs (his first time) and he made it known to me that he was not a fan of plasma TVs. But when he saw HD DVD in action on my 58PX600U he was floored. He even made a point of walking up to the TV and scrutinizing the picture. Even then he said, and I quote, "The picture looks perfect even up close."
post #502 of 7514
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

^^^^ Why bother when a aftermarket warranty from MACK can be bought for a third of the price, is the better question?

Chris,

How long have you been recommending these guys? Just curious if you know others statisfaction with them. I'll be getting an EW on the pdp-6070, (tks btw) and was curious if these guys were an established company.
post #503 of 7514
I was in BB tonight, and they finally had the 6071 display set up. Beauty of a set...just waiting on them to set up the Panny 58 now, which should be a week or two. I was chatting with one of the BB guys there, and told them that I have a very nice quote from a forum sponsor on the 6071, and he laughed at me and told me there was no way anyone could sell it that low cause they would take a massive loss . Then I started chatting plasma's with him, and picking away at his lack of knowledge so the conversation went south He even denied that the 6071 was on sale below the old MSRP before they jacked it up...Guess I will be using a forum sponsor for my TV when I am ready

As for the display in best buys...I looked at it for a good 10 minutes, along with the 5071 right above it, and could not see any apparent gridding on it. I plan on going back sometime when I have more time and messing around with the display to see if it comes out....also, just for kicks...the new display had 1 dead pixel Seems to be pretty common to have a dead pixel on the new 6070/1/2 displays from what I am reading on these boards and seeing in the stores.

Dustin
post #504 of 7514
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Originally Posted by Zues View Post

Did anyone get the warranty from best buy. They told me $600. I guess you can keep renewing it up to 12years.. Probably wont be worth it for davyo, as he probably will go through a dozen displays in that time.


Ok,,, Zues,,,, that was funny,,, thanks for the chuckle.
And ya know, 12 displays in 12 years could be very close, give or take a few.

But its not just displays I change out.

In the last 12 to 24 or so months I have gone thru (because of moving into a new place, and this damm forum), 2 Bose 321's, a Yamaha 5.1 system, an Onkyo 5.1 system, a Bose Lifestlye 18, 2 Yamaha YSP-800's, and at the time I am typing this I am using a Bose Lifestyle 28 that I purchased a few days ago, (yea, I know, everybody hates Bose, and loves to bash Bose but for me the pros of having a Bose outweighs the cons, call me crazy but I really do like the Bose Lifestyle systems).

Included in that same time frame I have also had a JVC 70 inch FH96 RPTV, a Sanyo Z1 projector, a Sanyo Z2 projector, Sanyo Z3 projector and a Panasonic AE700 projector and an AE900 projector.

A 42 inch plasma (forgot the brand) a 46 inch Deawoo plasma and a Panasonic 50" 50U.

Ohhhhh,,, and 2 power projector screens, the first one blew up in my friends hand when I plugged it in while he was helping me hang it, he was the one holding it when I plugged it in,,,,,,,the screen totally exploded with sparks shooting out of it and everything,,,,,, that was really really funny !!!!!!!!!,,, took almost an hour for me to stop laughing !!!!!!!!!!,,, my friend did not find it as funny as I did.

I know Im leaving some things out, but Ohh well,, ya'll get the idea,,,, Im sick and I need help.

So yea, the 6071 will be with me for a while, but then again whats comming out soon,,,,, a commercial 65 inch Panny 1080 plasma me thinks,,, or perhaps a 65 inch Samsung LCD panel,,, that would be nice.

Hummmm,,, what to buy next ?????

Davyo
post #505 of 7514
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Originally Posted by dlconner View Post

I was in BB tonight, and they finally had the 6071 display set up. Beauty of a set...just waiting on them to set up the Panny 58 now, which should be a week or two. I was chatting with one of the BB guys there, and told them that I have a very nice quote from a forum sponsor on the 6071, and he laughed at me and told me there was no way anyone could sell it that low cause they would take a massive loss . Then I started chatting plasma's with him, and picking away at his lack of knowledge so the conversation went south He even denied that the 6071 was on sale below the old MSRP before they jacked it up...Guess I will be using a forum sponsor for my TV when I am ready

As for the display in best buys...I looked at it for a good 10 minutes, along with the 5071 right above it, and could not see any apparent gridding on it. I plan on going back sometime when I have more time and messing around with the display to see if it comes out....also, just for kicks...the new display had 1 dead pixel Seems to be pretty common to have a dead pixel on the new 6070/1/2 displays from what I am reading on these boards and seeing in the stores.

Dustin

Great post, and stories like this one factor into maybe changing my mind on only buying a large display locally and possibly giving Chris a call...right now, this is the only guy I'd even think about recomending for a long distance plasma .purchase.
post #506 of 7514
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Originally Posted by hifisponge View Post

Fair enough. Luckily it must not be that noticeable from normal viewing distances because I'm not bothered by any noise or pixelization with my 58PX600U.

Absolutely - the Panny looked great from 10' away, way better than any of the surrounding dlps, lcds or other plasmas. Unfortunately, the Pio was located outside the Magnolia showroom, so there was no way to compare pictures from the same distance.
post #507 of 7514
Okay, I finally saw this today. I wasn't in a rush because I knew it was the same picture as the 5070 which I had seen and because I couldn't afford it. But my curiosity got the better of me and I went by BB today. That is one incredible plasma! It just got a whole lot harder to stick to my 50" guns.
post #508 of 7514
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Originally Posted by davyo View Post

...the pros of having a Bose outweighs the cons, call me crazy but I really do like the Bose Lifestyle systems). Hummmm,,, what to buy next ?????
Davyo

DAVYO, YOU ARE CRAZY!

How about buying some good speakers..........
post #509 of 7514
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Originally Posted by dssturbo1 View Post

DAVYO, YOU ARE CRAZY!

How about buying some good speakers..........


Talk about a major disconnect!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Talk about a major disconnect!!!!!!!!!


JimP,,,,,,,sorry,,,,I must admit I have no idea what that comment even means or who or what it is refurring to or what,,, call me mondo confussed.

Who's disconnecting and what are they disconnecting from ????????

Davyo
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