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post #7291 of 7514
You have one heck of a champion of TVs in Pio 6070. High def pictures like Bluray should look stunning on this panel. Go for it. What you hear on web is noise. Proof of the pudding is actually in eating it. You have already tasted it with A1 palyer and planet earth (I am assuming you saw a regular DVD upscaled by A1). Do you still need to hear the noise on the web and get confused?
post #7292 of 7514
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Originally Posted by Active Speaker View Post

OK,

I haven't seen much activity here over the last few months, but I know that there are a ton of these tvs out there right now, and blu ray players are finally coming down to earth. My question is: what to do with blu ray and a 6070? I have been reading opinions around the web, and many people are posting that on a 720p set, blu ray does not look better than dvd. I have an extensive dvd collection so I am on the fence. Should I get the Oppo 983H and forget blu ray? Should I wait for the new Oppo blu ray player? Should I buy another blu ray model? I tend to think that what people are writing on the web about dvd being as good as blu ray on a 720p set is incorrect because a friend of mine gave me an old Toshiba HD-A1, and "Planet Earth" looks unbelievably better than anything I have seen on dvd!

So does anyone have an opinion?

I have the 5070 and I'm not sure what the web people are smokin, but blu rays look significantly better than DVD's...even on my 720p set! Depending on how far you sit from your TV, you may not even notice a difference between 720p and 1080p. Yes, your 6070 can upscale a DVD to look better (if fed a 480i signal), but blu rays are a big step beyond that, depending on what blu ray it is. Unfortunately not all blu rays are created equal. My friends are still amazed when they come over to watch a blu ray. Our Pio's are still better than a lot of the new HDTV's in stores today!

So I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a blu ray player. You can find a decent one for around $200 if you're lucky. I'd recommend the Panasonic 35K or a PS3. I've seen both and they look great. Check the blu ray forums for deals. Good luck!
post #7293 of 7514
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Originally Posted by mpotturi View Post

You have one heck of a champion of TVs in Pio 6070. High def pictures like Bluray should look stunning on this panel. Go for it. What you hear on web is noise. Proof of the pudding is actually in eating it. You have already tasted it with A1 palyer and planet earth (I am assuming you saw a regular DVD upscaled by A1). Do you still need to hear the noise on the web and get confused?

Thanks so much for the reply: no, I saw an HD-DVD of PLanet Earth.
post #7294 of 7514
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Originally Posted by terminal33 View Post

I have the 5070 and I'm not sure what the web people are smokin, but blu rays look significantly better than DVD's...even on my 720p set! Depending on how far you sit from your TV, you may not even notice a difference between 720p and 1080p. Yes, your 6070 can upscale a DVD to look better (if fed a 480i signal), but blu rays are a big step beyond that, depending on what blu ray it is. Unfortunately not all blu rays are created equal. My friends are still amazed when they come over to watch a blu ray. Our Pio's are still better than a lot of the new HDTV's in stores today!

So I wouldn't hesitate to pick up a blu ray player. You can find a decent one for around $200 if you're lucky. I'd recommend the Panasonic 35K or a PS3. I've seen both and they look great. Check the blu ray forums for deals. Good luck!

I have found that the Toshiba HD-A1 upscales dvds better than the 6070; I'm looking for a blu ray player that is at least the equal of the HD-A1. I know that last year around Christmas there were no blu ray players that did as good of a job as the HD-A1; what about now? Have any blu ray players caught up, or must we wait for the upcoming Oppo?
post #7295 of 7514
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Originally Posted by Active Speaker View Post

OK,

I haven't seen much activity here over the last few months, but I know that there are a ton of these tvs out there right now, and blu ray players are finally coming down to earth. My question is: what to do with blu ray and a 6070? I have been reading opinions around the web, and many people are posting that on a 720p set, blu ray does not look better than dvd. I have an extensive dvd collection so I am on the fence. Should I get the Oppo 983H and forget blu ray? Should I wait for the new Oppo blu ray player? Should I buy another blu ray model? I tend to think that what people are writing on the web about dvd being as good as blu ray on a 720p set is incorrect because a friend of mine gave me an old Toshiba HD-A1, and "Planet Earth" looks unbelievably better than anything I have seen on dvd!

So does anyone have an opinion?

I have a 5070 and a PS3 that I use for Blu Ray movies and it looks outstanding and much better than standard DVD's. I've done side by side testing using my Denon 910 progressive scan DVD player and the difference is very noticeable. I've also done side by side testing of identical SD DVD's between my Denon and PS3 and the picture is also much better on the PS3 for SD DVD.
post #7296 of 7514
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Originally Posted by maxdog03 View Post

I have a 5070 and a PS3 that I use for Blu Ray movies and it looks outstanding and much better than standard DVD's. I've done side by side testing using my Denon 910 progressive scan DVD player and the difference is very noticeable. I've also done side by side testing of identical SD DVD's between my Denon and PS3 and the picture is also much better on the PS3 for SD DVD.

What are good settings on the 5070 and the PS3 when watching a Blu Ray? What is a good setting for the 5070 in PureCinema, color temp and CTI?
post #7297 of 7514
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Originally Posted by maxdog03 View Post

I have a 5070 and a PS3 that I use for Blu Ray movies and it looks outstanding and much better than standard DVD's. I've done side by side testing using my Denon 910 progressive scan DVD player and the difference is very noticeable. I've also done side by side testing of identical SD DVD's between my Denon and PS3 and the picture is also much better on the PS3 for SD DVD.

Have you ever compared your PS3 to a Toshiba HD player or an Oppo 983 dvd player?
post #7298 of 7514
Yes.. someone please link to the setting for HdMI ps3 for the 6070 pls... can't find it.. thank you soo much
post #7299 of 7514
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Originally Posted by Active Speaker View Post

OK,

I haven't seen much activity here over the last few months, but I know that there are a ton of these tvs out there right now, and blu ray players are finally coming down to earth. My question is: what to do with blu ray and a 6070? I have been reading opinions around the web, and many people are posting that on a 720p set, blu ray does not look better than dvd. I have an extensive dvd collection so I am on the fence. Should I get the Oppo 983H and forget blu ray? Should I wait for the new Oppo blu ray player? Should I buy another blu ray model? I tend to think that what people are writing on the web about dvd being as good as blu ray on a 720p set is incorrect because a friend of mine gave me an old Toshiba HD-A1, and "Planet Earth" looks unbelievably better than anything I have seen on dvd!

So does anyone have an opinion?

The one issue I still have for bluray is that for those of us who will only watch a movie once, the price of recent movies is still too high. Do you really want to spend $29ish. on a movie to watch it once. On these movies, I can wait a few more months and it'll show up on Dish Network's video on demand for $7.00. May not have as good an audio, but still pretty decent.

As for picture quality, BluRay does look better than SD DVD.. If someone says that it doesn't then there's something else at fault.
post #7300 of 7514
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

The one issue I still have for bluray is that for those of us who will only watch a movie once, the price of recent movies is still too high.

OK, I'll bite, why would you buy something you were only going to watch once? Isn't that what rentals (and friends) are for?
post #7301 of 7514
You buy food and only taste it once.....o.k., in most cases you only taste it once.

I do think there is a threshhold where people like me would like to buy a movie even if they only watch it once. I think we dilude ourselves into thinking that we're going to watch it more often.
post #7302 of 7514
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

The one issue I still have for bluray is that for those of us who will only watch a movie once, the price of recent movies is still too high. Do you really want to spend $29ish. on a movie to watch it once. On these movies, I can wait a few more months and it'll show up on Dish Network's video on demand for $7.00. May not have as good an audio, but still pretty decent.

As for picture quality, BluRay does look better than SD DVD.. If someone says that it doesn't then there's something else at fault.

Thanks, Jim. I agree (although I had laser discs way back when also, and they were the same price as blu ray discs are today TWENTY YEARS AGO!!). I will only buy blu ray at discount prices, or only a handful of movies that I will watch repeatedly. This is why I am so concerned about SD dvd quality because I will not be replacing all of my dvds.
post #7303 of 7514
I buy BR movies that are classics or movies that need to be watched more than once. Dark Knight comes to mind. BR is much better and audio is light years better imo.

Everything is crisper.

Netflix for movies you watch once even those I get in BR. Movies that need to be watched twice I get the Sd version.
post #7304 of 7514
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Originally Posted by tdrag97 View Post

Yes.. someone please link to the setting for HdMI ps3 for the 6070 pls... can't find it.. thank you soo much

anyone.. pls TIA
post #7305 of 7514
I've had my unit PDP5070 for 1.5 years now and absolutely love it. I have had no issues whatsoever. I was recently at best buy and they were trying to sell me on this upgrade where they perfectly pixilate your tv by having someone come in for a few hours and hook up some big computer to it and they have two tv's next to each other and it looked like it made a huge difference. It is really expensive though so I don't know if it's worth it. Have any of you done this? Is it worth it?

Also, I have a Sony DVPNS75H upconverting DVD player that I've had for 1.5 years as well and bought when I got the tv and it works great making the DVD's like close to HD. I'm not sure if it's worth it for me to upgrade to a PS3 if I don't game very often in order to get Blu-Ray quality (I heard that PS3 is the best Blu-Ray quality player out there???). Since the TV is 720P/1080i you cna't get the real benefits since it's not 1080P from what I understand. Any opinions?

Thanks,

First time poster
post #7306 of 7514
Also, is there any upkeeping work I should do as the television gets older??
post #7307 of 7514
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Originally Posted by Kerrjame View Post

I've had my unit PDP5070 for 1.5 years now and absolutely love it. I have had no issues whatsoever. I was recently at best buy and they were trying to sell me on this upgrade where they perfectly pixilate your tv by having someone come in for a few hours and hook up some big computer to it and they have two tv's next to each other and it looked like it made a huge difference. It is really expensive though so I don't know if it's worth it. Have any of you done this? Is it worth it?

Also, I have a Sony DVPNS75H upconverting DVD player that I've had for 1.5 years as well and bought when I got the tv and it works great making the DVD's like close to HD. I'm not sure if it's worth it for me to upgrade to a PS3 if I don't game very often in order to get Blu-Ray quality (I heard that PS3 is the best Blu-Ray quality player out there???). Since the TV is 720P/1080i you cna't get the real benefits since it's not 1080P from what I understand. Any opinions?

Thanks,

First time poster

What upgrade are you actually talking about here? Can you explain what you mean by 'pixilate your TV'?
post #7308 of 7514
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Originally Posted by mpotturi View Post

What upgrade are you actually talking about here? Can you explain what you mean by 'pixilate your TV'?

I probably shouldn't of said "upgrade". They hook up this super computer to your tv and individually set each pixel to where it should be to make your pq look amazing. They had two side by side tv's with one having it done and the other not and it makes a huge difference. Someone has to know about this.
post #7309 of 7514
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Originally Posted by mpotturi View Post

What upgrade are you actually talking about here? Can you explain what you mean by 'pixilate your TV'?

He is talking about calibration.
post #7310 of 7514
Yes .. is it worth doing this. Is it not something you can do manually? It seems to make an incredible difference based on their side by side exhibit.
post #7311 of 7514
Still no opinions on my original question?
post #7312 of 7514
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Originally Posted by Active Speaker View Post

OK,

I haven't seen much activity here over the last few months, but I know that there are a ton of these tvs out there right now, and blu ray players are finally coming down to earth. My question is: what to do with blu ray and a 6070? I have been reading opinions around the web, and many people are posting that on a 720p set, blu ray does not look better than dvd. I have an extensive dvd collection so I am on the fence. Should I get the Oppo 983H and forget blu ray? Should I wait for the new Oppo blu ray player? Should I buy another blu ray model? I tend to think that what people are writing on the web about dvd being as good as blu ray on a 720p set is incorrect because a friend of mine gave me an old Toshiba HD-A1, and "Planet Earth" looks unbelievably better than anything I have seen on dvd!

So does anyone have an opinion?

There seems to be a lot of chatter about the soon to be released Oppo BD player. If I had it to do over again, I think I'd wait until it comes out as see how well it performs for BluRay and SD DVD. Given its SD video processor, you would think that it should perform well, but until it comes out and has been tested past the honeymoon period, I'd be careful.

If you can't wait, I'd recommend the Pioneer 51. Its SD performance looks so good that I use it for SD DVD performance over a Denon 5900 SDI modified going into an Iscan HD+. Dollar comparison is $420 vs $4,000. (and I'm not sure if I'm ticked about it or not.lol)
post #7313 of 7514
Thanks, Jim. Are you the only one who still haunts this old thread?

I haven't heard anything about the 51; I'll be looking into it now.
post #7314 of 7514
Apparantly. lol

I'm a big fan of the 6070 and see where in many areas, it outperforms most newer model PDPs.

There's a pretty active thread on the Pioneer 51 bluray player. Probably want to read page 1 and then skip to the final 5 pages. Ignore the trolls as always.
post #7315 of 7514
Being that this is an old thread I'm sure there is some calibration comments throughout but since you two guys have been on here awhile can you not comment on it? Does it make the picture look incredibly better? Is it worth spending 200-300 dollars on it? is this something you can't do manually??

Also, is the ps3 blu ray player the best o ne on the market?
post #7316 of 7514
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Originally Posted by Kerrjame View Post

Being that this is an old thread I'm sure there is some calibration comments throughout but since you two guys have been on here awhile can you not comment on it? Does it make the picture look incredibly better? Is it worth spending 200-300 dollars on it? is this something you can't do manually??

Also, is the ps3 blu ray player the best o ne on the market?

I have been asking myself about your same question. I personally talked to a pro calibrated ans said he had good results with this model. If I take the bite I will update this thread.
post #7317 of 7514
Actually, I have heard the opposite when it comes to calibration and this model. Earlier in this monster thread, a couple of people commented that this set could not be calibrated to the level of the Elites. I'm too busy to look it up.

If you do have it calibrated, however, please post the results good or bad.
post #7318 of 7514
D-nice,

Have you ever gone into the service menu for a 5070 and reported the calibrations on this panel? I love this set and had a 111 for a short period and now maybe I should indulge into a 60in for my own pleasure.
post #7319 of 7514
I am finally ready to replace my 5070. Any suggestions on a fair selling price?
post #7320 of 7514
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Originally Posted by jcgso View Post

I am finally ready to replace my 5070. Any suggestions on a fair selling price?

Depends on the condition and mileage of the panel. Where are you located?
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