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post #751 of 7510
9/7/06 at 6:25am
More first impressions, still stunned, amazine TV. Picture quality is fantastic. In HD, man, just makes me grin from ear to ear, can't believe this TV. SD looks just fine for me, no complaints, looks like normal TV. Watched Finding Nemo last night, holy buckets, talk about brilliant colors, gorgeous movie. Every few minutes my wife would say, "Look at those colors, wow."
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post #752 of 7510
9/7/06 at 6:31am
I agree with William R (flawless beauty) with the exception of the speaker design.
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post #753 of 7510
9/7/06 at 7:12am
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Originally Posted by Teris View Post

Adam, I don't think it's the settings. I'm pretty sure it's my Time Warner signal because I played a DVD (non-HD) and it looked great. DNice's settings certainly don't make it look as good as it can, but I don't mind living with these settings for a few weeks. (As a side note, thank you DNice for posting those settings!)

One bummer is that the panel doesn't sit high enough off the stand to accomodate my center channel speaker. I ordered the Horizon's Media Cabinet from Ethan Allen, but my center is too big for that, too. Can anyone tell me if I can use the Pio speaker that comes with the tv as my center channel? Is it a crappy quality speaker?

Really stupid question, but what is OTA?

Thanks for all the info.

I think it is your settings. The settings are input specific, i.e., there are different settings for each input. You probably have the DYNAMIC default settings on your DVD input while the Time Warner input, you set using the break-in settings. At least try out what I posted. You're not going to hurt your TV by doing so.
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post #754 of 7510
9/7/06 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by Angel L. View Post

I agree with William R (flawless beauty) with the exception of the speaker design.


I dont get the speaker design comment you make in any way, its black, very well hidden, DETACHABLE and is on the bottom.
Thats the most wanted speaker design that can be had on a panel.

What is it about the speaker design you dont like ?????

Davyo
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post #755 of 7510
9/7/06 at 8:37am
What is it about the speaker design you dont like ?????
Davyo

I dislike the the way it sits on the bottom, it just takes away from the nice black lacker monitor finish. I also think that pioneer could have done what panny did with there plasma, place the speakers behind the monitor. Most people will use there speakers for standard viewing not having to power up the avr for everything. That is what I am doing for now, but that speakers days are numbered when I finish putting everything together in the near future.
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post #756 of 7510
9/7/06 at 8:53am
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Originally Posted by Angel L. View Post

What is it about the speaker design you dont like ?????
Davyo

I dislike the the way it sits on the bottom, it just takes away from the nice black lacker monitor finish. I also think that pioneer could have done what panny did with there plasma, place the speakers behind the monitor. Most people will use there speakers for standard viewing not having to power up the avr for everything. That is what I am doing for now, but that speakers days are numbered when I finish putting everything together in the near future.


4 screws and the speakers comes off, problem solved.
Second, if you look at the new Panny 60U you will notice a big giant SILVER bezel at the bottom that cant be removed, inside that are the speakers, they are not in the back, they are in the front.
Sorry to say, but most people do not even use the plasma speakers for standard veiwing or anything else, Pio knows that, thats why they made the speaker so easy to remove.
Most folks that will spend the bucks for a 60 inch plasma are not going to use the tiny little crappy speakers at any time for any reason, Pio knows this, Panny does not.
Sorry you dont like the speaker design, I personaly think its perfect and kudos go out to Pio for understanding what the person that buys a 60 inch plasma wants and does not want in regards to the speaker.

Davyo
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post #757 of 7510
9/7/06 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by Rieper View Post

Hi, congrats on your new Pio 6071hd.

How's your hearing? When was your last hearing checkup? Do you use a hearing aid? And finally, how old are you? Thanks for your time.

LoL...if this was pointed at me, let me clarify a bit. I am not overly anal expecting perfection from these sets, I just grew concerned at a report of it being noticable at a 12+ft distance. Seems a bit excessive, but also doesn't seem to be the norm judging what I am hearing from others with the same sets.

Dustin
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post #758 of 7510
9/7/06 at 9:28am
Guys, Spur diagnosed my problem: I'm an imbecile.

I'm using composite cables. I'm new to all of this and didn't realize that they won't transmit an HD signal. Calling monoprice today. Sorry for the confusion.
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post #759 of 7510
9/7/06 at 9:33am
In all fairness, and to add to comments/opinions above, the extra 2 inches on the 6070 will cost you around $2000 over the 58 inch Panny. That must be factored into the equation as well. If you are spending this kind of money, be sure to spend hours viewing both sets. And use the comments made herein only as a beginning point.
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post #760 of 7510
9/7/06 at 9:53am
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Originally Posted by richard korsgren View Post

In all fairness, and to add to comments/opinions above, the extra 2 inches on the 6070 will cost you around $2000 over the 58 inch Panny. That must be factored into the equation as well. If you are spending this kind of money, be sure to spend hours viewing both sets. And use the comments made herein only as a beginning point.

Keep in mind 2 things though....panasonic is undergoing a price drop currently, I would hope pioneer will follow shortly. Secondly, if you talk with some online dealers, you will find the difference is not $2000

Dustin
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post #761 of 7510
9/7/06 at 10:33am
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Originally Posted by richard korsgren View Post

In all fairness, and to add to comments/opinions above, the extra 2 inches on the 6070 will cost you around $2000 over the 58 inch Panny. That must be factored into the equation as well. If you are spending this kind of money, be sure to spend hours viewing both sets. And use the comments made herein only as a beginning point.

Are you telling us that the Panny 58" has dropped to <$3K?

That's where it would have to drop to be $2K less from my Legit Quotes and those quotes included S&H.

Me thinks the difference is a bit exaggerated unless you blindly walk into BB and no sale/coupon and pay MSRP.

That would be insanely STUPID!
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post #762 of 7510
9/7/06 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by dlconner View Post

LoL...if this was pointed at me, let me clarify a bit. I am not overly anal expecting perfection from these sets, I just grew concerned at a report of it being noticable at a 12+ft distance. Seems a bit excessive, but also doesn't seem to be the norm judging what I am hearing from others with the same sets.
Dustin

I agree and also understand acribb's concern, you want to make sure that any issue you are experiencing is within the norm of other users. I can hear a slight buzz at 3.5 feet with sound muted. However I am 10.5 feet away and do not watch with the sound off. I decided not to obsess about the buzz and guess you can not expect a silent PDP. If I could hear it at 12 feet that might be another matter.

I am waiting for my 2nd panel due 9/12 as the first has 2 stuck red pixels bottom center. I can see these at about 3- 4 feet away and with the right background, from my seating position. I do not know if we should expect perfection from these panels but given the cost I do not want stuck/dead pixels. With the delivery guys cooperation I will set up the next display and check for both these issues before deciding which one to keep.
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post #763 of 7510
9/7/06 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by richard korsgren View Post

In all fairness, and to add to comments/opinions above, the extra 2 inches on the 6070 will cost you around $2000 over the 58 inch Panny. That must be factored into the equation as well. If you are spending this kind of money, be sure to spend hours viewing both sets. And use the comments made herein only as a beginning point.

As always with these 2 companies (we do this every year on this board), MSRP may be $2k difference, but street prices are much, much closer. Pioneer always has a higher MSRP compared to Panasonic. The extra 2" will cost you less than a grand in real prices.
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post #764 of 7510
9/7/06 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by jacksonian View Post

As always with these 2 companies (we do this every year on this board), MSRP may be $2k difference, but street prices are much, much closer. Pioneer always has a higher MSRP compared to Panasonic. The extra 2" will cost you less than a grand in real prices.

If you shop and negotiate hard enough, more like less that $500.
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post #765 of 7510
9/7/06 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by WilliamR View Post

If you shop and negotiate hard enough, more like less that $500.


Used to be that little, but the Pan58" sets just underwent a price drop, and can be had for even less now...Still looking about 1k diff between the two sets...plus or minus a few hundred where you look.

Dustin
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post #766 of 7510
9/7/06 at 11:27am
Westa,
He has to be referring to MSRP there...

Spur,
You got yours at a local B&M if I am not mistaking...I would definately go for a pixel perfect set...you paid a premium on the set, get your moneys worth. Now, if you had to foot shipping to an online dealer, that may be a different story
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post #767 of 7510
9/7/06 at 11:47am
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Originally Posted by dlconner View Post

Used to be that little, but the Pan58" sets just underwent a price drop, and can be had for even less now...Still looking about 1k diff between the two sets...plus or minus a few hundred where you look.Dustin

I think this is comparing the 58 60u. I think the price differential of the 600u will be a little closer and is the more comparable panny to the pio.

In my case I paid $700 less than the 58 600u the mini mag also had. So deals can be made.


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Originally Posted by dlconner View Post

Spur,
You got yours at a local B&M if I am not mistaking...I would definately go for a pixel perfect set...you paid a premium on the set, get your moneys worth. Now, if you had to foot shipping to an online dealer, that may be a different story

That is why when they offered the 6071 for the price they did, I had to cancel my online order. It is nice to have this peace of mind. I am not a fan of BB and have had some poor experiences with them in the past. I will say however, the floor manager at the mini mag was great to deal with. They did not have a 6071 in stock but set me up to get the 1st one due in and swap it for the current one. I am reserving judgment and gushing about their service until this swap is completed.
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post #768 of 7510
9/7/06 at 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by Spur View Post

I think this is comparing the 58 60u. I think the price differential of the 600u will be a little closer and is the more comparable panny to the pio.

In my case I paid $700 less than the 58 600u the mini mag also had. So deals can be made.




That is why when they offered the 6071 for the price they did, I had to cancel my online order. It is nice to have this peace of mind. I am not a fan of BB and have had some poor experiences with them in the past. I will say however, the floor manager at the mini mag was great to deal with. They did not have a 6071 in stock but set me up to get the 1st one due in and swap it for the current one. I am reserving judgment and gushing about their service until this swap is completed.

I bought my 6071 from Best Buy for approx. 30% off their 7K MSRP. I did have to pay sales tax though. I will receive my 3rd panel from them on 9/30, when I return back in the country. Their service and ease of working with has been suprisingly excellent. It can't be much easier than picking up a phone saying I have xxx problem with this panel and getting the reply, "When would you like to do the exchange?". Then having them call me an hour before they arrive so I have time to drive from work to receive them at my house on time. They even deliver on weekends. I have been very pleased with them thus far, so much that I even negotiated an excellent deal on a 42" Panasonic EDTV for my father.
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post #769 of 7510
9/7/06 at 1:37pm
Has anyone developed an opinion on the scaler in the 6071? I posted previously here that it seems my set had problems downconverting the 1080i signal from a Zenith DVB-318 dvd player, and things cleared up right away when I set the 318 to instead output 720p. Who's had a chance to play with similar settings? Any problems downconverting 1080i? How does your set handle upconverting 480i/p (or something else of lower resolution than 768p)? Thanks for any comments.
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post #770 of 7510
9/7/06 at 1:46pm
I just got my 6070 yesterday, and watched matrix 2 from my upconverting tosh player. It played at 1080i over HDMI, and looked great, even on break-in settings. SD seems just slightly poorer then then the tosh DLP that it's replacing.

It's so freaking heavy though, I'm just nervous about throwing it up on the wall.

No gridding, and I can't hear the buzz until I'm within 1-2ft away. I'm fairly young and have been told I have ears like a 'bat' so I'm assuming I just got lucky w/ the buzzy issue.

and FWIW, I paid the same as 58" from corporate discount panny site. The money is worth not having the silver.

We need an 'offical' owners thread....
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post #771 of 7510
9/7/06 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by SD929 View Post

I just got my 6070 yesterday, and watched matrix 2 from my upconverting tosh player. It played at 1080i over HDMI, and looked great, even on break-in settings. SD seems just slightly poorer then then the tosh DLP that it's replacing.

It's so freaking heavy though, I'm just nervous about throwing it up on the wall.

No gridding, and I can't hear the buzz until I'm within 1-2ft away. I'm fairly young and have been told I have ears like a 'bat' so I'm assuming I just got lucky w/ the buzzy issue.

and FWIW, I paid the same as 58" from corporate discount panny site. The money is worth not having the silver.

We need an 'offical' owners thread....

I just started one to those who want to discuss more then pricing and speculate.
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post #772 of 7510
9/7/06 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by jacksonian View Post

Why in the world would anyone do this? If you can't hear a buzz from your normal seating distance under normal viewing circumstances, why try to *make* yourself hear it?

I promise I'm not trying to be insensitive to your situation. I'm the only one who can hear my 5050 buzz. My wife and friends laughed at me because they can't hear it.

And you know what my main problem was....this forum! I had already heard people talking about the buzz. So what was the first thing I did when I got it? Put my ear up to it and listened for the buzz!!!

Once I stopped obsessing about it and focusing on it, I stopped hearing it. I've now had the set for over a year and I never even notice it unless it's white credits scrolling on a black screen with no sound (not a common scenario).

I also have professional experience with this. I treat patients with tinnitus (ear ringing), and the more they think about it and focus on it, the worse it gets.

So if it bothers you, return it and buy a different technology tv. If it's not too bad, try not to focus on it, and most likely you won't even notice it.

That's my advice, take it or leave it.

The comments here are right on target. I never heard the buzzing until I read people complaining about it here. So, I walked up to my plasma and stuck my ear next to it and heard it for the first time. Then I stood back a couple of feet and I could barely hear it. Then I sat down to my normal viewing position and there was no buzzing at all. I think people are looking for problems.
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post #773 of 7510
9/7/06 at 3:19pm
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Originally Posted by SD929 View Post

I just got my 6070 yesterday, and watched matrix 2 from my upconverting tosh player. It played at 1080i over HDMI, and looked great, even on break-in settings. SD seems just slightly poorer then then the tosh DLP that it's replacing.

It's so freaking heavy though, I'm just nervous about throwing it up on the wall.

No gridding, and I can't hear the buzz until I'm within 1-2ft away. I'm fairly young and have been told I have ears like a 'bat' so I'm assuming I just got lucky w/ the buzzy issue.

and FWIW, I paid the same as 58" from corporate discount panny site. The money is worth not having the silver.

We need an 'offical' owners thread....

Concerning the 'gridding', did you use the break-in DVD to confirm this, the one with the solid colors?
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post #774 of 7510
9/7/06 at 3:53pm
Yep, I used the break in dvd for a little < 30 minutes to look for dead pixels etc. Which breakin dvd you use? I'll duplicate with that one.

-Lenny
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post #775 of 7510
9/7/06 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by SD929 View Post

Yep, I used the break in dvd for a little < 30 minutes to look for dead pixels etc. Which breakin dvd you use? I'll duplicate with that one.

-Lenny

I downloaded the dvd iso image from the site in this post. It took all of 10 minutes to download and burn it. Sit at your normal seating position when testing and let me know if you can see a very faint grid through the colors. I think all the panels are like this, being the second one I have in my possession has it, albeit less, than the first one I received. I think it's just how they are made or something. It's real hard to see under normal viewing, and only visible if you're REALLY looking for it.

I'm still curious to see if your panel exhibits this at all.....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8203072
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post #776 of 7510
9/7/06 at 6:30pm
Any of you guys out there know what the differences are between the 6070 and the 61 inch pioneer elite coming out at the end of this month. Is it worth the extra (for me) $1200.00. For me these are going to be my only two choices. Itching to pull the trigger.
Thanks.
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post #777 of 7510
9/7/06 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by acribb View Post

I downloaded the dvd iso image from the site in this post. It took all of 10 minutes to download and burn it. Sit at your normal seating position when testing and let me know if you can see a very faint grid through the colors. I think all the panels are like this, being the second one I have in my possession has it, albeit less, than the first one I received. I think it's just how they are made or something. It's real hard to see under normal viewing, and only visible if you're REALLY looking for it.

I'm still curious to see if your panel exhibits this at all.....

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post8203072



So my normal viewing distance is right at 10ft, and I can barely , barely ( really have to strain and concentrate) see the banding. On any other color other then the lightest gray, I can't see it at all. My wife can't see it at all, and my neighbor sees it like I do, only in the lightest gray shade.
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post #778 of 7510
9/7/06 at 7:53pm
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! My 6070 was delivered today. Installed it and fired it up about 3 hours ago. This is an amazing panel. I haven't calibrated it yet, but out of the box the HD signal through component video is much better then I anticipated....

Now question: I use a High Definition Direct Tivo for my television watching. For whatever reason the HDMI output on the box is shot. Called Direct TV and they want to hit me up for an additional 2 year commitment to replace the box. Circuit city has had me on hold for about an hour now to discuss my extended warranty that I purchased on this thing back in 10/2004 when I bought the system. Is the HDMI video output going to be any better then the analog component output? Is this definition of better going to be a subjective answer or is it known that HDMI is better or equal to component. Any input would be appreciated.

-Steve
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post #779 of 7510
9/7/06 at 8:10pm
I think alot of people feel that HDMI is not always better component. I've tried both w/ my dvd player and my wife prefers component. I do believe they both should be adjusted seperately. It wasn't really discernable to me however.
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post #780 of 7510
9/7/06 at 8:18pm
In my A/B blinded tests, my wife and I either favored component or called it a draw. Never did we see any benefit pq wise for HDMI.
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