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post #3001 of 3632
Hi I have an Olevia LT32HVE LCD tv... I think it comes as "HD ready" but does not have its own tuner (i think?)

I live in the 92782 zip code... i wanted to know, what can i do to get over the air HD programming? would this samsung tuner do the job or do i need other equipment??

i am currently subscribed to cox cable but its only basic cable through coax, no cable box in house...

THANKS!
post #3002 of 3632
please tell me about the features of Samsung DTB-H260F ATSC tuner

Gracie Sh
post #3003 of 3632
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Originally Posted by ms123d View Post

Hi I have an Olevia LT32HVE LCD tv... I think it comes as "HD ready" but does not have its own tuner (i think?)

I live in the 92782 zip code... i wanted to know, what can i do to get over the air HD programming? would this samsung tuner do the job or do i need other equipment??

i am currently subscribed to cox cable but its only basic cable through coax, no cable box in house...

THANKS!

If you are certain your TV has no ATSC tuner then sure the H260f should do a fine job. The only limitation would be your TV antenna. If you currently have a standard TV antenna (roof or attic) you should be fine. Possibly even a STB antenna might work.

www.antennaweb.org to see what type you would need.
post #3004 of 3632
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Originally Posted by gracie20 View Post

please tell me about the features of Samsung DTB-H260F ATSC tuner

Gracie Sh

Google has thousands of hits on this model #. articles, reviews, retailers, resellers, features, manuals, etc....
post #3005 of 3632
ms123b - yes, it will work fine (given an adequate antenna). I have that television (it's got an analog tuner in it, no ATSC tuner) and I use component cables between the Samsung STB and the Olevia unit. HD resolution is great. Good luck. You might want to post your zip code here or on the "antennas" thread and someone can give you suggestions for your location.
post #3006 of 3632
I've got an Olevia 232T with both HDMI and component inputs, and both work fine with the Samsung. One caveat - if I use HDMI and 1080i output - colors are off (blue people in specific). Its fine if set to 720p or any setting using the component output.
post #3007 of 3632
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Originally Posted by tyromark View Post

ms123b - yes, it will work fine (given an adequate antenna). I have that television (it's got an analog tuner in it, no ATSC tuner) and I use component cables between the Samsung STB and the Olevia unit. HD resolution is great. Good luck. You might want to post your zip code here or on the "antennas" thread and someone can give you suggestions for your location.

my zipcode is 92782... but I was also wondering, does anyone have experience plugging in a cox cable into this box to get the HD local channels? i heard something about clear qam being available.... (does that mean i wouldn't need an antenna?)

i subscribe to cox but not digital cox, only basic cable... but i heard the cable carries local HD in there??
post #3008 of 3632
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Originally Posted by ms123d View Post

my zipcode is 92782... but I was also wondering, does anyone have experience plugging in a cox cable into this box to get the HD local channels? i heard something about clear qam being available.... (does that mean i wouldn't need an antenna?)

i subscribe to cox but not digital cox, only basic cable... but i heard the cable carries local HD in there??

Yes, if Cox provides your local channels in clear qam, this box will allow you to view them without an antenna.
post #3009 of 3632
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Originally Posted by ms123d View Post

my zipcode is 92782... but I was also wondering, does anyone have experience plugging in a cox cable into this box to get the HD local channels? i heard something about clear qam being available.... (does that mean i wouldn't need an antenna?)

i subscribe to cox but not digital cox, only basic cable... but i heard the cable carries local HD in there??

As bcarlson has said: yes. But I'd suggest doing a little reading on just what Clear QAM is and how it works. The cable co's put these few local ch's on obscure ch #'s (like your local ch 5 may be ch 402 on QAM) and are known to move these ch's around from time to time, just to piss off us freeloaders.

If the ch #'s are moved you will probably have to do an entire re-scan of the QAM ch's to get them back (and figure out where they moved them too).
post #3010 of 3632
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

As bcarlson has said: yes. But I'd suggest doing a little reading on just what Clear QAM is and how it works. The cable co's put these few local ch's on obscure ch #'s (like your local ch 5 may be ch 402 on QAM) and are known to move these ch's around from time to time, just to piss off us freeloaders.

If the ch #'s are moved you will probably have to do an entire re-scan of the QAM ch's to get them back (and figure out where they moved them too).

I've been using the DTB-H260F for about 2 years to get the local channels in clear QAM from Comcast cable. The locals all get mapped to "normal" sounding channel numbers (6.1, 8.2, 23.1). Comcast has only remapped the channels once since in the last 2 years. When they did it, I had to rescan, but the channels mapped back to their correct channels again, so I didn't need to figure out where they moved to.

There are tons of channels that do appear on strange channels, like 127.14. For me, those are all music channels and my neighbor's pay per view movies. Not stuff I pay any attention to.

I don't think this is a reason to not go with clear qam. For me it's a great solution. I don't want to pay for additional programming and I don't want to pay a monthly fee for hardware. I just want to see the locals in HD for football and a couple of shows. I also don't know if I agree that people who use clear qam are considered freeloaders. Almost all new TVs come with qam tuners, and I think the majority of the people buying these TVs are not immediately renting a new box from their cable company. Of course the cable companies want you to rely on them for HD content, but I think they are starting to realize the fact that not everyone wants to pay their outrageous fees.
post #3011 of 3632
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Originally Posted by bcarlsen View Post

I also don't know if I agree that people who use clear qam are considered freeloaders.

Nah, you're just an "early adopter". "speculation" - one day, QAM may be the only choice for cable reception.
post #3012 of 3632
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Originally Posted by bcarlsen View Post

I've been using the DTB-H260F for about 2 years to get the local channels in clear QAM from Comcast cable. The locals all get mapped to "normal" sounding channel numbers (6.1, 8.2, 23.1). Comcast has only remapped the channels once since in the last 2 years. When they did it, I had to rescan, but the channels mapped back to their correct channels again, so I didn't need to figure out where they moved to.

There are tons of channels that do appear on strange channels, like 127.14. For me, those are all music channels and my neighbor's pay per view movies. Not stuff I pay any attention to.

I don't think this is a reason to not go with clear qam. For me it's a great solution. I don't want to pay for additional programming and I don't want to pay a monthly fee for hardware. I just want to see the locals in HD for football and a couple of shows. I also don't know if I agree that people who use clear qam are considered freeloaders. Almost all new TVs come with qam tuners, and I think the majority of the people buying these TVs are not immediately renting a new box from their cable company. Of course the cable companies want you to rely on them for HD content, but I think they are starting to realize the fact that not everyone wants to pay their outrageous fees.

Yeah, I hear ya. I don't really use the QAM tuner myself, but I must say that my cable co does keep the ch #'s very consistent, although mine are not mapped to the proper ch #'s that one would expect. I've just heard many stories of QAM ch's getting moved quite often. Also ch's appear then disappear (not the locals). I just wanted to point out to anyone unfamiliar with QAM usage that it can be a bit more involved than just basic cable or a STB.

The freeloader comment was intended to be how the cable co views QAM users, that was not a jab at you or any other free use cable customers.
post #3013 of 3632
After much fuss and tweeking I replaced my MyHD MDP-130 tuner card with a Samsung DTBH260F terrestrial tuner. The advanced 5th generation chipset made a really big difference.

I had many problems with the MyHD MDP-130. It doesn't handle multipath interference well. I am in an urban location and had trouble with many of the OTA channels.

After trying several different antennas (Antennas Direct DB2, Channel Master 2016) I got a lot of flack from my landlord about the yagi so I replaced it with the Winegard Square Shooter SS-1000.

The Samsung DTBH260F far outperformed the MyHD MDP-130 tuner. Pixelization and software bugs and crashes are a thing of the past. I miss the DVR capability, but the Samsung is a solid piece of hardware. I would highly recommend it.

All my OTA channels come in clear with strong signals and no visable interference. And the Winegard Square Shooter SS-1000 did everything it was supposed to do. It has aan unobtrusive appearance and doesn't attract the ire of your landlord!
post #3014 of 3632
I just bought the 260, and love it. So much info in this long thread, I am bound to be asking a stupid question!

1) Is it possible to receive via CABLE (QAM unencrypted signal) *and* via Antenna (8VSB) simultaneously? How does one hookup both to the box? Splitter?

2) If I buy an amplified HDTV antenna, will any of this become obsolete after Feb 2009?

Thanks, be kind, new to this.
post #3015 of 3632
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Originally Posted by gnolivos View Post

I just bought the 260, and love it. So much info in this long thread, I am bound to be asking a stupid question!

1) Is it possible to receive via CABLE (QAM unencrypted signal) *and* via Antenna (8VSB) simultaneously? How does one hookup both to the box? Splitter?

2) If I buy an amplified HDTV antenna, will any of this become obsolete after Feb 2009?

Thanks, be kind, new to this.

1) You must use an A/B switch, not a simple splitter.
The lack of separate RF coax inputs for both OTA and QAM is one of the few technical oversights of this tuner.
2) No.
post #3016 of 3632
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

1) You must use an A/B switch, not a simple splitter.

Don't you still have to rescan everytime you switch to one or the other - or no?
post #3017 of 3632
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Don't you still have to rescan everytime you switch to one or the other - or no?

Nope. You just switch over the A/B switch then press the CBL/ANT button on the remote. You won't see any new ch's nor ch's that may have been moved. But it keeps it's memory of ch's for the two input options CBL or ANT.

To find new or moved ch's requires a complete re-scan.
post #3018 of 3632
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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

Nope. You just switch over the A/B switch then press the CBL/ANT button on the remote. You won't see any new ch's nor ch's that may have been moved. But it keeps it's memory of ch's for the two input options CBL or ANT.

To find new or moved ch's requires a complete re-scan.

Good to know, in case I ever want to use mine that way. Guess that's why that CBL/ANT switch is on the remote - never really looked at it hard and noticed before, because I've always only used it for OTA.
post #3019 of 3632
So, if I am understanding, the process to CREATE the channel lists on both CABLE and ANTENNA would involve:
  1. Switching to Cable
  2. Scanning Cable only
  3. Switching to Antenna
  4. Scanning Antenna only
  5. then switch back/forth between the 2 CABLE/ANTENNA channel lists ad hoc... (with appropriate A/B switching)

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Originally Posted by toby10 View Post

Nope. You just switch over the A/B switch then press the CBL/ANT button on the remote. You won't see any new ch's nor ch's that may have been moved. But it keeps it's memory of ch's for the two input options CBL or ANT.

To find new or moved ch's requires a complete re-scan.
post #3020 of 3632
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Originally Posted by gnolivos View Post

So, if I am understanding, the process to CREATE the channel lists on both CABLE and ANTENNA would involve:
  1. Switching to Cable
  2. Scanning Cable only
  3. Switching to Antenna
  4. Scanning Antenna only
  5. then switch back/forth between the 2 CABLE/ANTENNA channel lists ad hoc... (with appropriate A/B switching)

Yes, plus pushing the ANT/CBL button on the remote.
post #3021 of 3632
Thanks all.. after much deliberation, I have decided to return this unit and get the Epvision 205 instead, due to Analog tuner, and hopefully it will also have a better more forgiving IR receiver!
post #3022 of 3632
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Originally Posted by gnolivos View Post

Thanks all.. after much deliberation, I have decided to return this unit and get the Epvision 205 instead, due to Analog tuner, and hopefully it will also have a better more forgiving IR receiver!

Well......yeah......if you want analog and no HDMI then the H260f would certainly be overkill.
post #3023 of 3632
I've had the Samsung H260F for a few months and started having a problem the last few weeks with a black rectangle sometimes appearing on the TV screen that blocks most of the display.

The problem appears whether I'm using HDMI or component cables, 720p or 1080i output. The Samsung is connected to a Toshiba LCD TV and only used for digital OTA broadcasts.

The problem happens off and on, such as during the Olympics today and often when watching PBS stations. I can make the rectangle disappear by displaying the program guide or info box. I don't have the problem with any other HD tuners connected to the same TV.

Any ideas what's going on?
post #3024 of 3632
When I press info button while watching TV, I see the channel, title, etc, and description. But the description gets cut off if it is long.

When I press guide (full guide), the description also gets cut off.

When I press guide (mini guide), the description is also cut off.

How do I view the complete description? The Zenith DTT901 is much easier, just press the down arrow key and you'll scroll down the description...
post #3025 of 3632
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Originally Posted by wildgoose View Post

When I press info button while watching TV, I see the channel, title, etc, and description. But the description gets cut off if it is long.

When I press guide (full guide), the description also gets cut off.

When I press guide (mini guide), the description is also cut off.

How do I view the complete description? The Zenith DTT901 is much easier, just press the down arrow key and you'll scroll down the description...

Sometimes, but not always, if you press down after you press info, it will show the entire description. It's an undocumented feature, and it doesn't always work. Also, try pressing info while in the full guide. It opens up a new window which may display more program info.
post #3026 of 3632
Gone thru most of this thread - I am squicky close to being there on understanding.
But a clarification on one point will help.
With h260f QAM gives me comcast local hd's etc but not basic cable ch 1-99 sd channels
Is that the way it is? it only works on the digital part of cable?
I have a newer tv with built in tuner that accepts 1-99 + the free qams that you do seperate scans for and have separate lists.
Do I have it correct that I can recieve the cable digital (non encript) channels but not the basic 1-99 sd channels that I am paying for?
If so this makes it only a way to get the digital clear qam's.
Have I got it right or what am I missing
Thank you, Bernieoc
post #3027 of 3632
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Originally Posted by bernieoc View Post

Gone thru most of this thread - I am squicky close to being there on understanding.
But a clarification on one point will help.
With h260f QAM gives me comcast local hd's etc but not basic cable ch 1-99 sd channels
Is that the way it is? it only works on the digital part of cable?
I have a newer tv with built in tuner that accepts 1-99 + the free qams that you do seperate scans for and have separate lists.
Do I have it correct that I can recieve the cable digital (non encript) channels but not the basic 1-99 sd channels that I am paying for?
If so this makes it only a way to get the digital clear qam's.
Have I got it right or what am I missing
Thank you, Bernieoc

The Samsung can only tune digital channels - nothing analog. You would need your TV's analog tuner for the "cable" channels, while the Samsung would allow to receive unencrypted QAM signals (typically, only your local digital channels).
post #3028 of 3632
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by bernieoc View Post

I have a newer tv with built in tuner that accepts 1-99 + the free qams that you do seperate scans for and have separate lists.
Do I have it correct that I can recieve the cable digital (non encript) channels but not the basic 1-99 sd channels that I am paying for?
If so this makes it only a way to get the digital clear qam's.

Correct. Both your TV's QAM tuner and the H260F's QAM tuner can receive only unencrypted digital channels, which usually means just the local broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, etc.). To get the encrypted channels (ESPN, CNN, Discovery, etc.) you need your cable company's digital box or DVR.
post #3029 of 3632
To be clear - I do not want encripted channels - just the comcast 1 to 99 analog that all my other tv's pick up. Do I have to split the cable and go directly to the tv for ch 1-99 with one output and the other output into the dtb-h260f for the digital unencripted qam. This would mean switching the TV between inputs. By the way my my unencripted does include ESPN, CNN, discovery, Food and others as well as network hd's. I get these on another TV with internal QAM - but I also get 1-99 thru the same single 'cable in'. I am looking for confirmation that I am not missing something.
Thanks, Bernieoc
post #3030 of 3632
You don't have to "split" the incoming coax - out of the wall, to the Samsung, then the antenna out on the Samsung to your TVs analog tuner. You would have to watch the Samsung on either the HDMI or component video ports on your TV. If you do this, leave the Samsung powered on all the time.
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