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post #61 of 3649
When they say it's the display they mean it!
The first BB I went by had one box on the shelf and I was about to buy it. Then I had the guy open it to see if there was coax digital out (there's not). and found out it was an empty case! No guts at all. It was a special sku# on the box that said display unit.

So he looked up the other Houston stores and found me one. I went straight there and bought it. There was two. Before leaving the store I walked back by the shelf and the other one was gone.

I'm loving mine and there appears to be no gray bars on the sides. Only black.

I can't beleive how good the Late Show and Tonight Show look. So detailed, clear, bright and colorful. This is awesome!


Mike F.

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Originally Posted by 2sleepy View Post

I called some Best Buy stores in the Denver area and found a receiver in Broomfield. But the clerk said they only had the one and it was their display model. He checked the warehouse supply and found zero. But because they have a display model, he supposed they'd have some within the next week or two.
post #62 of 3649
I bought the DTB-H260F last night in Austin, Texas at the Lakeline BB. I wandered all around in the TV-home theater area until one of the guys asked me what I was looking for and then showed me some of the older units. I noticed the new, small unit sitting beside it (an empty shell, like already mentioned) and he said "Oh, yeah. We just got those in. I don't know anything about it."

I took it home, hooked it up without once refering to the manual to do anything, including going through the setup and auto-scanning for channels, etc. I would really give Samsung good marks on the menu interface for the box iteself. Very intuitive and works just like you would expect.

I would echo the above comments about the program guide. It, also, is quite nice and reminds me of my Dish channel guide. It even has Full and Mini modes. Full has a small image of the screen in the upper left corner and more lots of channel and time slot info, mini has less info and more picture. It also has some sort of scheduling feature, which I haven't tried. I am assuming all it does is interrupt you if you are viewing something else when one of the reminders you set is triggered, and then allows you to jump directly to the channel you set up.

It would be sweet if scheduling would actually wake up the box and go to the right channel. Something like that would make it so easy to synch with a DVD recorder or computer that no one within range of good HD locals would ever have to buy local channels from Dish or Direct just to be able to record Lost, Heros, CSI, etc.! But that would really be too much to ask in a box that only costs $179. All in all, the menuing is very nice. It is also quite responsive, not slow at all, and has crystal clear resolution.

As far as I can tell, having no previous experience with OTA HD reception, this thing must be pretty sensitive. I live 18 miles or so from the HD transmitters in Austin, and I was able to pull in all the ones I knew about (and a Spanish language one I didn't) with not a lot of effort. I was just using an old Radio Shack UHF/VHF amplified indoor antenna that I fiddled with while observing the channel strength indicator on the channel portion of the menu system. I got all the channels to come in with all the bars blue, which is as good as you can get.

I hooked the receiver up my Akai PDP-4273M (the new model) 42" Plasma monitor ($999 @ Fry's on sale a few weeks ago - an awsome monitor IMHO) via the component output on the receiver because the solo HDMI input on the monitor is in use by the DVD player. It works great and delivers a stunning picture. I was amazed.

On the downside, this thing does have a few things I would have done differently. For one, you have to hard select the output quality (1080i, 720p, 480p, etc.) and output mode (HDMI or Component) via switches on the back of the box. Why couldn't these be selected via the software using the menu? Probably a cost issue. A lot cheaper and easier to use the switches, likely. And, not that I need it, but it has no SD OTA tuner, which some of the PC tuner cards include in case you are in an area where not everything is in HD. In Austin you don't need it, but it is a missing feature. Again, probably a cost consideration (which I appreciate!).

Also, for some reason, one of the HD channels, at least for the Carson Daly show that was on late while I was playing around with my new toy - I don't usually stay up that late and am not a fan - seemed too "sharpened." It looked like my DVD player output when I push the sharpening option one or two notches too far. I didn't notice this earlier on other NBC shows, and none of the other channels exhibited the phenomenon, so I don't know if it is a receiver issue or not.

All in all, I am very pleased. For the price this thing kicks. I would highly recommend it. Now if I can just come up with a way to easily record HD stuff using the channel guide info and features... Oh, well, I save that for another post. This one is way too long.
post #63 of 3649
Carson Daly is in HD? Not in my area.

Anyway, if you can find a DVD/DVR that has a code to change the channels on the Samsung through an IR blaster, you'll be in business, but with manually set timer recording, of course (no guide recording). You can just leave the tuner on then.

You'll most likely only be able to set the DVR to record from the main channels though, and not the subchannels.
post #64 of 3649
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Originally Posted by tadietz View Post


On the downside, this thing does have a few things I would have done differently. For one, you have to hard select the output quality (1080i, 720p, 480p, etc.) and output mode (HDMI or Component) via switches on the back of the box. Why couldn't these be selected via the software using the menu? Probably a cost issue. A lot cheaper and easier to use the switches, likely. And, not that I need it, but it has no SD OTA tuner, which some of the PC tuner cards include in case you are in an area where not everything is in HD. In Austin you don't need it, but it is a missing feature. Again, probably a cost consideration (which I appreciate!).

Actually it's kind of nice to have switches - you never have to worry about hooking up in a certain way to get any kind of picture (my LiteOn DVDr provides output on composite outputs only after a firmware flash - so I have to change cables just to get to the menu to switch to component).

I assume you meant it doesn't have an NTSC tuner - ATSC/QAM only. In a couple of years there won't be any NTSC OTA to tune to so it's just forward thinking on their part.
post #65 of 3649
Thanks. I am likely mistaken about Carson Daly (it was pretty late), but I could have sworn it was HD. Anyway - I'll try to stay up past my bedtime again some night to check .

What you say makes sense, though. but it was better looking than the SD of the locals from Dish, which seem pretty poor quality in my experience when compared to things like SciFi and History Channel, etc. from Dish.
post #66 of 3649
I've called all the Best Buy stores in SE Wisconsin with no luck. Out of about 15 BB's that I've called only 2 stores had any idea of what I was talking about. The people at circuit city are even more worthless.

Response from the smartest BB employees... "We will be carrying them, we don't know when, our warehouse doesn't have any, try online"

I got the "go ahead" from the wife a month a ago when I found out the DTB-H260F was going to be coming out and now I've had this great lesson/test of patience because I'm not able to find one to buy yet. You guys are making me jealous. I really wanted to watch "Lost" tonight in HD.

I think I'm done venting now, thanks
post #67 of 3649
rittenjo, I feel your pain. When the wife gives the OK, it's usually the last hurdle to clear, but in this case it's not and that is a bit disorienting. In my case JoeMoon seemingly has the only unit in the state of Missouri.
post #68 of 3649
Guys,

I got the ok from the wife and I got mine last night. I originally bought a Digital Stream 3150 Plus. What a mistake that was....took that sucker back after reading these posts. Living in Dallas I went to the local BB and looked and looked and finally found the "Display" unit.

I asked if they had it and they told me to come back a a few weeks. Not willing to take no for an answer, I asked if they could look up other stores in the area. I was in luck that there was another best buy across town that has 2 of them. Trumpets were sounding in my ears!

I drive over to the other BB and I asked and they took me over to where they were and they had 3! He handed me the top one and I started to walk out. Then I noticed the box had a ups label on it and it felt light.....HE handed me their display unit in a box and did not know it. After grabbing another one I was out the door.

I can tell you that my current set up is this. I have cable coming into our house, but my roomate is paying for it. I hooked up to an outlet and scanned the channels. It scanned 1-135. Once it was done I was picking up quite a few channels. The only thing is that our cable requires a cable box and thus a lot of the cable was scrambled. No worries though as I bought it for the HD for the projector. The pic was great and I can not believe what a deal this item was.

So with that, I am very happy with it.

The BB in Mckinney, Tx has one more. I am not looking to make money on this, but if there is someone with no patience let me know. I will pick it up for you and ship the whole thing to you receipt and all...All you need to do is cover the price plus the UPS fee...probably less than $10.00

Send me a PM if you are interested.

Chris
post #69 of 3649
littleracers, How many PMs?
post #70 of 3649
Is there anyone else with local access to a DTB-H260F that is willing to buy one and ship it to me? I have a UPS account, so I can email you a prepaid shipping label and all you will have to do is purchase the unit and drop it off to your local UPS location. I'll pay you any way you want; just PM me...

I really appreciate anyone who has the time and is willing to make this guy really happy !!
post #71 of 3649
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Originally Posted by littleracers View Post

I can tell you that my current set up is this. I have cable coming into our house, but my roomate is paying for it. I hooked up to an outlet and scanned the channels. It scanned 1-135. Once it was done I was picking up quite a few channels. The only thing is that our cable requires a cable box and thus a lot of the cable was scrambled. No worries though as I bought it for the HD for the projector.
Chris

You can split the incoming cable to both the Samsung and the old cable box if you want to continue receiving what you originally had.
post #72 of 3649
Does the Samsung cover the full spectrum of free QAM?
post #73 of 3649
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Originally Posted by rittenjo View Post

I've called all the Best Buy stores in SE Wisconsin with no luck. Out of about 15 BB's that I've called only 2 stores had any idea of what I was talking about. The people at circuit city are even more worthless.

Response from the smartest BB employees... "We will be carrying them, we don't know when, our warehouse doesn't have any, try online"

I got the "go ahead" from the wife a month a ago when I found out the DTB-H260F was going to be coming out and now I've had this great lesson/test of patience because I'm not able to find one to buy yet. You guys are making me jealous. I really wanted to watch "Lost" tonight in HD.

I think I'm done venting now, thanks

Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat as you are.
By the way, welcome to the forum.
post #74 of 3649
I stopped in my local bb again (Milwaukee) to see if they had anymore info on when they would receive the new tuner. They had finally put out their display model (just the case). That helped a lot. Now instead of them not having a clue as to what I'm talking about, I could walk them over to the display and ask "when will you have one for me to buy?"

Select BB stores in SE Wisconsin will be getting their shipment in Monday around noon!!!! I can't wait. I guess I was soo excited that I forgot to try and have one reserved for me. If I go there Monday and they're sold out I think I might cry right there in the store.
post #75 of 3649
First time poster in this thread, but i checked on BB.com and did a search for this model, found nothing, is this just cuz they didn't put it up there yet or what?
post #76 of 3649
I don't think BB will be putting the new tuner on their website anytime soon. Some of the BB's carry the older version (SIR-T451) and yet you won't find that on their website either.
post #77 of 3649
I visited my BB today in Mansfield, TX and was able to pick up one. There were still 2 on the shelf when i left.
post #78 of 3649
BB in my area said it's in their system but will be as a warehouse order in my area, but none at warehouse. PC Connection has pre-order status-2 weeks plus.
post #79 of 3649
I finally picked up a tuner in Appleton, WI. It was the only one I was able to locate within 100 miles of my house. It was the last one they had and they were nice enough to put it on hold for me so I could drive almost an hour and a half to buy it.

Besides my wife, the girl at the register also thinks I'm a little crazy for driving that far to buy one. I was just glad to see that the "one" they said they had wasn't the demo version like my last endeavor.

I'm still setting it up, but so far it's an incredible introduction for me to over-the-air HDTV.
post #80 of 3649
Hi. Sometime during November, I might buy myself a 5th-Generation Samsung DTB-H260F from Best Buy and TERK HDTVLP Indoor / Outdoor TV and HDTV Antenna, hoping to get the best signal and for minimizing multipaths...

Since I am looking for a cheap ATSC receiver, isn't 5th-Generation ATSC receivers worth it? I'd love to keep up with latest in tech but I wanted to go cheap since I wanted to watch SD/HD stations.

I have a Magnavox 30" HDTV (NTSC only, even though purchased around first half of 2006) with a DVI (I have a Samsung HD860 DVD Player so since I have an HDMI>DVI, it's no big deal), if that helps.
post #81 of 3649
You may not need 5th generation tech if you are close to your transmitters, can put up an outdoor antenna, or don't have to deal with multipath. If you can get a signal with a 1st gen tuner it won't look any better than what you see with a 5th gen tuner. The secret is you have to get a lock on the signal. That's were the 5th gen will help.
post #82 of 3649
I live in apartments so I can't buy an outdoor antenna, but thanks anyway.

I live in an Alumni Village apartment with a whole lots of trees surrounding the apartment and had trouble getting signals with rabbit ears antenna like RadioShack 15-1880 (if I remember the brand and model of antenna correctly) and I only get one WFSU station, so I'll be getting a Terk antenna mentioned in my previous post.
post #83 of 3649
This new tuner may help your situation - weak signal and trees are sometimes a problem. You should look up an antenna recommendation at antennaweb - if you are far from the transmitters even the best indoor antenna may not help.
post #84 of 3649
Yea--I used to have V-Box Cat's Eye USB HDTV Tuner Receiver with a rabbit-ear antenna, and it only picks up WFSU with subchannels.

What I'm trying to get is WTWC-DT (NBC) 27 miles away, WTLH (FOX, though not HD) 27 miles away, and WCTV-DT (CBS) 28 miles away but I used to get WFSU.

Here's the list:

("*" marked as DTV)

DTV Antenna
Type Call Sign Channel Network City State Live
Date Compass
Orientation Miles
From Frequency
Assignment
red - vhf WFSU 11 PBS TALLAHASSEE FL - 259° 18.3 11
* red - uhf WFSU-DT 11.1 PBS TALLAHASSEE FL - 259° 18.3 32
red - uhf WTLH 49 FOX BAINBRIDGE GA - 52° 27.0 49
* red - vhf WTWC-DT 40.1 NBC TALLAHASSEE FL - 52° 27.0 2
blue - uhf WTXL 27 ABC TALLAHASSEE FL - 53° 26.6 27
blue - uhf WTWC 40 NBC TALLAHASSEE FL - 52° 27.0 40
blue - uhf WTBC-LP 65 FMN TALLAHASSEE FL - 26° 4.9 65
blue - vhf WCTV 6 CBS THOMASVILLE GA - 55° 28.0 6
blue - uhf WVUP-CA 45 IND TALLAHASSEE FL - 20° 5.1 45
blue - uhf WBXT-CA 56 BOX TALLAHASSEE FL - 22° 5.2 56
blue - vhf WACX-LP 9 REL TALLAHASSEE FL - 56° 2.2 9
* blue - uhf WTLF-DT 24.1 CW TALLAHASSEE FL - 312° 8.0 24
* violet - uhf WCTV-DT 6.1 CBS THOMASVILLE GA - 55° 28.0 46
* violet - vhf WABW-DT 5 PBS PELHAM GA 07-08 55° 28.0 5

(Note that I was going to start a new thread but since I've mentioned DTB-H260F, I had to post it in here.)
post #85 of 3649
I was wondering if anyone has done a direct comparison between the new Samsung and the Pro Brand (Digital Stream) 3150PLUS sold by CC ? Currently I own LG 3150, LG3100, Samsung 351 and the Pro Brand PLUS . So far to date the PB seem to be the most sensitive at my location, especially on the low band channels. Channel 18 in Elmira NY has their HD broadcast on Low band channel 2. With the LG's I got frequent dropouts where the PB's appear to be more reliable. I am fairly new to all this and I have no idea what generation chip the lg's and PB's utilize.


I live 60 miles south east of Rochester NY and 50 miles SW of Syracuse NY so sensitivity is critical for my location. I use a Channel Master 3671 and a Antennas Direct 91XG and DB8 with a CM 7777 preamp. I have tried the older sammy 451 but returned it because I knew the newer version would be out in the near future. I have called all the BB in Northern NJ and Eastern PA and no one has the new sammy yet. Any reccomendations on where to get one would be appreciated.
post #86 of 3649
Like you, my PB 3150Plus is better than my LG, but not goood enough. I have a CM4228 and have tried other antenna with poor results. I have the Wineguard preamp U/Vhf. As stated above, online, I have only found PC Connection that's taking pre-orders. 2 weeks plus. Looks like it will be a Christmas present.
post #87 of 3649
Hi All,

Can anyone comment on the sound level of the new Samsung (DTB-H260F). The SIR-T451 that I have has way too low a sound level. While all sorts of other equipment require only about 10% volume I have to turn the volume to 70% and higher on the Samsung SIR-T451, and that's on a Samsung TV. Their FTA satellite receiver also suffered from a somewhat low volume level but not that low.

dmatch
post #88 of 3649
Long-time lurker, first-time poster...

For what it's worth, the new tuner has made it to upstate NY -- one of my clients told me that the Best Buy in Henrietta (Rochester suburb) had a couple in stock today. He got one; no reports yet on how well it works for him.
post #89 of 3649
I just picked up one yesterday and it did not work, last one at BB in WLA. Measured the analog video out with a scope and it would put out sync with back porch burst for about 10 seconds and then nothing, power light still on. Course all of the BB's in West LA are out of stock...
post #90 of 3649
Quote:
Originally Posted by GraysonPeddie View Post

I live in apartments so I can't buy an outdoor antenna, but thanks anyway.

I live in an Alumni Village apartment with a whole lots of trees surrounding the apartment and had trouble getting signals with rabbit ears antenna like RadioShack 15-1880 (if I remember the brand and model of antenna correctly) and I only get one WFSU station, so I'll be getting a Terk antenna mentioned in my previous post.

I find it really hard to believe that any indoor Terk model would outperform the 15-1880, but your luck may be different - especially if it's designed to also work outdoors.

All I can say is just make sure it's returnable.
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