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post #91 of 327
10/4/06 at 7:48pm
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Originally Posted by graphics65 View Post

could someone please answer this??

PS3 outputs 1080p via HDMI. That is a digital source, and VGA is analog. You cannot convert that with an adaptor.
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post #92 of 327
10/4/06 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post

You forgot the Green Blob.
And all for just twice the price!!

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Samsung offers best all around product.

The "Green Glob" is a discoloration issue, and I did mention the potential for discoloration issues. If we're talking price/performance ratio then maybe I might agree that Sammy might edge out Sony for some people. If we are talking on an absolute scale, IMO the SXRD tech tops all the DLPs out there. It all depends upon your value drivers. There is no right answer that is perfect for everyone.
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post #93 of 327
10/4/06 at 8:06pm
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Originally Posted by Pete C View Post

PS3 outputs 1080p via HDMI. That is a digital source, and VGA is analog. You cannot convert that with an adaptor.

so there's no way using a PS3 to get a "true" 1080p signal using the HDTV i have???
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post #94 of 327
10/4/06 at 8:19pm
I bought the Mits 65732 specifically for playing the PS3. I have it on order from Vanns as we speak. I liked the Sony, but it was only 60 inches. I already had a 53" standard Sony RP. A set that was "only" 60" in 16:9 would actually be smaller vertically. No way... needed at least 65.
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post #95 of 327
10/4/06 at 9:04pm
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

The "Green Glob" is a discoloration issue, and I did mention the potential for discoloration issues. If we're talking price/performance ratio then maybe I might agree that Sammy might edge out Sony for some people. If we are talking on an absolute scale, IMO the SXRD tech tops all the DLPs out there. It all depends upon your value drivers. There is no right answer that is perfect for everyone.

was the WEGA i picked out earlier SXRD?
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post #96 of 327
10/4/06 at 11:23pm
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Originally Posted by Fawkes77 View Post

was the WEGA i picked out earlier SXRD?

Some of the links you posted were for the 2005 50" XBR1 which is an SXRD. If it is a rear projection Sony set that outputs in 1080p it is an SXRD. Be forewarned, though, the 2005 SXRDs do NOT accept a 1080p input. I would recommend going for one of the 2006 SXRDs (the A2000 line or the XBR2 line) for with the PS3.
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post #97 of 327
10/5/06 at 5:29am
get the mits 65831. amazing TV.
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post #98 of 327
10/5/06 at 6:16am
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get the mits 65831. amazing TV.

That is a bit expensive
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post #99 of 327
10/5/06 at 6:28am
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

Some of the links you posted were for the 2005 50" XBR1 which is an SXRD. If it is a rear projection Sony set that outputs in 1080p it is an SXRD. Be forewarned, though, the 2005 SXRDs do NOT accept a 1080p input. I would recommend going for one of the 2006 SXRDs (the A2000 line or the XBR2 line) for with the PS3.

http://www.nextag.com/SONY-KDS-50A20...38/prices-html
This one senior?
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post #100 of 327
10/5/06 at 7:25am
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Originally Posted by Pete C View Post

paddlefoot, I would not worry about the 360 1080p support...barely any set out there can support it, and none of the really good ones that get talked about around here do to my knowledge. It's better to get a better TV than a lesser one just because it supports 1080p via VGA. The 360 will look awesome on a DLP or SXRD 1080p set with the TV's internal upscaler anyway. That is how most of the games on 360s internal scaler will work anyway. MAYBE some games will be native 1080p in the future, and the HD-DVD will be native, however HD-DVD discs output in 1080i will be 2:3 pulldown to 1080p correctly anyway by the TV set...so no worries!! I bought my 1080p SXRD mainly for 360 and perhaps a future PS3, but trust me the 360 looks amazing on 1080p as it is.

Pete,

So in other words having the 360 output 1080i and having the A2000 or XBR2 deinterlace the signal to 1080p will look almost if not just as good as a lesser quality set that can take 1080p over vga? Am I reading you correctly?


Just a mention, if Microsoft allows games to be played over HDMI, instead of just HD-DVD movies, they could make my conundrum mute.
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post #101 of 327
10/5/06 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by Fawkes77 View Post

http://www.nextag.com/SONY-KDS-50A20...38/prices-html
This one senior?

Yes, that is the only 2006 50" SXRD Sony currently offers. It is from the A2000 line. The XBR2 line starts at 60".
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post #102 of 327
10/5/06 at 8:32am
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Originally Posted by bigbadred00 View Post

I get deep color but most TVs don't support more than 1080p which is relatively new thing. My point is, 1.3 is going to be an upgrade BUT most TVs can't possibly use 4k x 2k and won't possibly be used for years. Yes the technology is there and I can't wait till they use it but unless they are releasing 4k x 2k next year or in the next 3 or 5 years, I can't possibly see waiting for it. I just got a new TV, I think it's great. If I saw a great 4k x 2k, I'd probally can't wait to buy it. Thing is 1.3 works with 4k x 2k, but what can use it in the next coming years. Will be lucky to get 1080p out of Cable / Satelite in the next 5 years, than 2k-p broadcasts.

1.3 is going to be a great standard, but it won't be very viable for the next couple of years, maybe 6-10 years.


I like all the feed that came back regarding 1.3 since my first post. I was thinking along the same lines, as you mention above, but I think I jumped the gun and got really excited about maybe just waiting 12 months. But from what I read, you guys really proved a nice point, yeah even though they will come out with a TV that has 1.3, Will it be able to display what 1.3 is capable of, and yes it will be years before TV's technology can take full advantage of 1.3, and will there be any visual differences maybe! and maybe not!. I just don't know. But I can assume is that even though TV's can handle 1080P today, does that have anything to do with Deep colour and billions of colours. I thought 1080P means how many lines of resolution a TV can display, but does it really have anyting to do with colour? Any feedback would be appreciated! Who knows maybe TV's next year with 1.3, will look better, more colour, smoother picture. As we all know that RPTV improve over time and they just get better every year. So is worth it waiting, or buying today?

Really hard decision! only a year away! but based upon what I read, I'm jumping in and have made the decision to buy the JVC 61FH97. I saw this baby at Future shop and it's got just a beautiful picture. I saw no visual difference between 61FH97 and Sony's more $$$$$ expensive SXRD XBR2.

It's true if I wait until next year to buy, then you read reports that the year after another model better than this one if forthcoming, GUESS WHAT's happening, I will never buy a bloody HDTV.

Thanks for all the input, this really helped in my decision!
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post #103 of 327
10/5/06 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by vagos View Post

But I can assume is that even though TV's can handle 1080P today, does that have anything to do with Deep colour and billions of colours. I thought 1080P means how many lines of resolution a TV can display, but does it really have anyting to do with colour?

Resolution tells you HOW MANY pixels the TV can draw, color depth tells you HOW MANY COLORS the TV can represent on each pixel. HDMI 1.2a supports 24-bit color depth, meaning 2^24 number of colors per pixel. HDMI 1.3 supports 36-bit color depth for 2^36 number of colors per pixel. This is an ungodly number that NO TV is capable of displaying at the moment.
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post #104 of 327
10/5/06 at 8:48am
Next year's TVs will look better than this years. The following year's TVs will look better than next years. Etc.

There is no perfect time to jump in as there is always something better around the corner. The HDMI 1.3 upgrade is little more than hype at this stage. Let's think about it for a moment. Neither HD-DVD nor BluRay movies support these "deep" color depths according to what I'd heard of their respective standards (someone please correct me on this if I am mistaken). Discs need to be backwards compatible with current players. The PS3 may in theory support these color depths for games, but it is a doubtful anything much more complicated than Tetris when ever use them. Remember the PS3 will be memory constrained for many of its complex applications (as are all consoles). Developers aren't going to waste memory resources on high bit-depth colors that virtually none of the market can distinguish. I'll bet the true complex "deep" color PS3 games will be extremely rare. 1080p will be more likely for PS3 games than "deep" color, and even that will be somewhat uncommon.

HDMI 1.3 sounds nice, but don't hold your breath for the "deep" color advantages. Even if TVs do have HDMI 1.3 enhancement next year, it would likely be years before many mainstream applications utilize these features. Now is a nice time to buy, but so it next year (and the year after, and the year after). I'll bet HDMI 1.5 is better than HDMI 1.3, and we'll all be in awe of HDMI 2.0.
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post #105 of 327
10/5/06 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

1080p will be more likely for PS3 games than "deep" color, and even that will be somewhat uncommon.

Careful, nearly 1/3 of the PS3 LAUNCH games are in 1080p. Expect nearly 75% of second gen games to be running in 1080p.
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post #106 of 327
10/5/06 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by AVBill View Post

HDMI 1.3 sounds nice, but don't hold your breath for the "deep" color advantages. Even if TVs do have HDMI 1.3 enhancement next year, it would likely be years before many mainstream applications utilize these features. Now is a nice time to buy, but so it next year (and the year after, and the year after). I'll bet HDMI 1.5 is better than HDMI 1.3, and we'll all be in awe of HDMI 2.0.



You couldn't of said it any better! I loved all the input, thanks guys!
JVC 61FH97 will be sitting in basement by end of the week. Can't wait!
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post #107 of 327
10/5/06 at 9:08am
Fawkes 77, you have done a good job of bring out all the fan boys and tech haters. And while many will be happy to use your very broad question as a step board into fights over the same old hater topics like wobulation, green blob, rainbows, convergence and pixel shape?!?! You need some one to lay it out for you and give you some choices to narrow it down to.

However, you failed to frame your question in way that makes anyone able to give you a useful answer beyond "check this one outs its teh kewlest!". You should be very careful of anyone giving you unequivocal advice on a brand or TV when they do not know crucial criteria such as your budget, your technical ability to tweak things on your own, and your seating distance.

So rather than submitting us all to this LCoS vs DLP banter and brand-fanboy fanatacism, please give us some better metrics on which to base our recommendations. Otherwise all that will happen is that this thread will continue to spiral down into a big flame-fest argument over which tech and brand is better. I have read this whole thread and have seen that basically every RPTV being manufactured today has been recommended to you. I do not see how that can be helpful to you or to anyone else that comes along wanting an answer to this common question.

So please, give us all of the details we need to help you make a decision. If you only have $2000 and are sitting 8 feet away for example, then the people recommending a 65 or 70 inch TV or a TV costing $4000 are just wasting their time trying to help you.

I know that if you give me the above info, I could give you the 3-4 TVs that would likely work best and you could go make the final nit-picky personal decisions between them yourself. I will close this lecture by warning you to keep an open mind to all of the technologies and not to let the haters scare you away because of their bias (green blob, convergence, rainbow, and wobulation haters are all too common and will go down in the flames of hell (taking your purchase with them) before admitting a product with any of those characteristics even deserves a second glance)
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post #108 of 327
10/5/06 at 10:36am
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Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post

Careful, nearly 1/3 of the PS3 LAUNCH games are in 1080p. Expect nearly 75% of second gen games to be running in 1080p.

Virtua Tennis is the only game that is confirmed to run in 1080p. Resistance is confirmed at 720p only, and for the rest, nobody has confirmed anything. If you have a link to confirm your statement, please send it and I'll shut up.
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post #109 of 327
10/5/06 at 10:40am
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Originally Posted by flashgordon333 View Post

Fawkes 77, you have done a good job of bring out all the fan boys and tech haters. And while many will be happy to use your very broad question as a step board into fights over the same old hater topics like wobulation, green blob, rainbows, convergence and pixel shape?!?! You need some one to lay it out for you and give you some choices to narrow it down to.

However, you failed to frame your question in way that makes anyone able to give you a useful answer beyond "check this one outs its teh kewlest!". You should be very careful of anyone giving you unequivocal advice on a brand or TV when they do not know crucial criteria such as your budget, your technical ability to tweak things on your own, and your seating distance.

So rather than submitting us all to this LCoS vs DLP banter and brand-fanboy fanatacism, please give us some better metrics on which to base our recommendations. Otherwise all that will happen is that this thread will continue to spiral down into a big flame-fest argument over which tech and brand is better. I have read this whole thread and have seen that basically every RPTV being manufactured today has been recommended to you. I do not see how that can be helpful to you or to anyone else that comes along wanting an answer to this common question.

So please, give us all of the details we need to help you make a decision. If you only have $2000 and are sitting 8 feet away for example, then the people recommending a 65 or 70 inch TV or a TV costing $4000 are just wasting their time trying to help you.

I know that if you give me the above info, I could give you the 3-4 TVs that would likely work best and you could go make the final nit-picky personal decisions between them yourself. I will close this lecture by warning you to keep an open mind to all of the technologies and not to let the haters scare you away because of their bias (green blob, convergence, rainbow, and wobulation haters are all too common and will go down in the flames of hell (taking your purchase with them) before admitting a product with any of those characteristics even deserves a second glance)


Geez, I didn't think this was anywhere near a flame-war brand-name fanboy thread. People are allowed to state their opinions without bashing. Did anyone say anything was "teh kewlest"? We are arguing mostly about HDMI 1.3...so what are you talking about?
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post #110 of 327
10/5/06 at 10:49am
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Originally Posted by paddlefoot View Post

Pete,

So in other words having the 360 output 1080i and having the A2000 or XBR2 deinterlace the signal to 1080p will look almost if not just as good as a lesser quality set that can take 1080p over vga? Am I reading you correctly?


Just a mention, if Microsoft allows games to be played over HDMI, instead of just HD-DVD movies, they could make my conundrum mute.

For 1080p movies, it will not look almost as good...it will look better. The SXRD set is going to blow away a Westinghouse set that can display 1080p over VGA. Every BD and HD-DVD is encoded in 1080p, regardless of the output of the player. If your player outputs the signal in 1080i, your TV will do the 2:3 pulldown conversion on it straight-up. If the output is 1080p, the TV downconverts it to 1080i internally first, and then 2:3 pulldowns to 24 fps. Either way, the end result is 24 fps 1080p picture, exactly the same as the original 1080p content. There is something called judder, but I believe that applies to both as well.

Now, for videogames it is entirely different. There is no 2:3 pulldown flag on games (because games are not displayed at 24 fps I believe), so you will get whatever the source puts out. The TV will always scale to 1080p, but in the case of games if the game is outputting 1080p and you are using a 1080i output, your TV is only going to take in the 1080i signal and upconvert. It is different than 2:3 pulldown. Still looks great, but it will not display the native 1080p as it will for movies.

Anyone feel free to chime in if I am wrong on any of this.
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post #111 of 327
10/5/06 at 12:06pm
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Originally Posted by Pete C View Post

Virtua Tennis is the only game that is confirmed to run in 1080p. Resistance is confirmed at 720p only, and for the rest, nobody has confirmed anything. If you have a link to confirm your statement, please send it and I'll shut up.

Gran Turismo HD is confirmed 1080p.

Resistance is not confirmed only at 720p. They are still pushing for 1080p and have shown some demos in 1080p here and there.

NBA 2k7 was shown in 1080p at TGS.
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post #112 of 327
10/5/06 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by ramey70 View Post

Gran Turismo HD is confirmed 1080p.

Resistance is not confirmed only at 720p. They are still pushing for 1080p and have shown some demos in 1080p here and there.

NBA 2k7 was shown in 1080p at TGS.

Since when was Gran Turismo HD a launch title? Resistance at 1080p would be sweet indeed! I am looking forward to seeing how much of a difference it really makes.
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post #113 of 327
10/5/06 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Pete C View Post

Since when was Gran Turismo HD a launch title? Resistance at 1080p would be sweet indeed! I am looking forward to seeing how much of a difference it really makes.

My bad, i didn't see that you only said release titles!
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post #114 of 327
10/5/06 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by Pete C View Post

Virtua Tennis is the only game that is confirmed to run in 1080p. Resistance is confirmed at 720p only, and for the rest, nobody has confirmed anything. If you have a link to confirm your statement, please send it and I'll shut up.

Here you go...
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Lofty technical claims turning into tangible reality.
by 1UP Staff, 09/22/2006
19 of 19 users recommend this story.
Even though most gamers won't be able to take advantage of the insane resolutions 1080p provides on high-end HDTVs, Sony's been adamant about supporting the feature -- which only recently became part of Microsoft's plans. While 1UP was visiting Sony's Tokyo offices, Phil Harrison, president of their Worldwide Studios division, he proudly pointed to six playable games running in 1080p at this year's Tokyo Game Show.
Lair, Mobile Suit Gundam , Virtua Tennis 3 , Gran Turismo HD , Ridge Racer 7 and NBA '07 (which is not playable on the TGS show floor, but featured at Sony's private event) are all currently running in 1080p, and Sony expects the number only to increase going forward.

Since this article you can add Army of Two, MGS4, and Resistance (which is now playable in 1080p).

Granted, not ALL of these are launch titles, but I would be surprised if more 1080p native titles don't pop up between now and launch.
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post #115 of 327
10/5/06 at 12:36pm
[quote=Pete C] People are allowed to state their opinions without bashing.


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We are arguing mostly about HDMI 1.3...so what are you talking about?

Wrong. Actually 1.3 was hardly discussed at all until page 3 of this thread. Not to mention how the hell is that really useful. He wants to know what the best TV is for the PS3. It comes out in a month...you think talking about a tech that is a year away is helpful. Is your answer to his question "the best RPTV for the PS3 has not yet been announced and does not even exist". That is VERY useful. This is exactly what I am talking about.

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Originally Posted by Pete C View Post

Did anyone say anything was "teh kewlest"?

You know the language you quoted is web jargon for unsubstantiated claims that something is great, don't you? Obviously no one actually used the words "teh kewlest." Here are some examples from this very tread: "You forgot the Green Blob.
And all for just twice the price!! I've said it before and I'll say it again, Samsung offers best all around product." "get the mits 65831. amazing TV." "i am a fan of the Samsung as well! awesome set!" "there is no question that the Sony SXRD series (A2000 or XBR2) will be the top performer for use with the 1080p PS3 (at the time it ships)." I mean sure its great for people just to toss out TV's but once every TV has been tossed out then where does he go...the guy certainly knows that Sony, Samsung, and Mits all make TV's.


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Originally Posted by Pete C View Post

Geez, I didn't think this was anywhere near a flame-war brand-name fanboy thread.

Not as bad as I have seen...yet. But come back in a couple days. Its well on its way, and all the common danger signs are there.
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post #116 of 327
10/5/06 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post

Careful, nearly 1/3 of the PS3 LAUNCH games are in 1080p. Expect nearly 75% of second gen games to be running in 1080p.

The only true 1080p games I've heard confirmed are Gran Turismo 4, and the next Metal Gear (neither of which are coming out this year).

Here is the source for the games "running" in 1080p:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3153941

It should be noted that this article mentions the games "running" in 1080p, not "rendered" in 1080p. It will be interesting to see which game (if any) on release are actually rendering at 1080p (upscale doesn't count). It would be great if Sony actually has this many games actually rendering at 1080p.
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post #117 of 327
10/5/06 at 1:56pm
I've waited for a 1080P set, that allow's for 1080P input's.

This is the year I will buy a HDTV my 27" Sanyo from 1993 has to go!

HDMI 1.3 in 12 month's sounds good on paper. But I will not wait another year.

BTW I Heard the 2008 set's will probably have 1440P.

Seriously if you are sitting on the fence buy what you belive is the best from this year's line up (my opinion it's the KDS-R**XBR2 or one of the HLS-**87/88 or a HLS-6767W set if your Costco carrier's it)

Enjoy! Then in 3 year's see if you can unload on a friend brother, parent whatever.

For me this is the year.



Dresden
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post #118 of 327
10/5/06 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by Dresden View Post

BTW I Heard the 2008 set's will probably have 1440P.

No chance of this happening, but I understand your point.
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post #119 of 327
10/5/06 at 3:11pm
1440p is stupid. 1080p is already well beyond the resolution needed to display television and movies. 1440p is just the next thing they will put on TVs to sell more stuff that people don't need.
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post #120 of 327
10/5/06 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by flashgordon333 View Post

Fawkes 77, you have done a good job of bring out all the fan boys and tech haters. And while many will be happy to use your very broad question as a step board into fights over the same old hater topics like wobulation, green blob, rainbows, convergence and pixel shape?!?! You need some one to lay it out for you and give you some choices to narrow it down to.

However, you failed to frame your question in way that makes anyone able to give you a useful answer beyond "check this one outs its teh kewlest!". You should be very careful of anyone giving you unequivocal advice on a brand or TV when they do not know crucial criteria such as your budget, your technical ability to tweak things on your own, and your seating distance.

So rather than submitting us all to this LCoS vs DLP banter and brand-fanboy fanatacism, please give us some better metrics on which to base our recommendations. Otherwise all that will happen is that this thread will continue to spiral down into a big flame-fest argument over which tech and brand is better. I have read this whole thread and have seen that basically every RPTV being manufactured today has been recommended to you. I do not see how that can be helpful to you or to anyone else that comes along wanting an answer to this common question.

So please, give us all of the details we need to help you make a decision. If you only have $2000 and are sitting 8 feet away for example, then the people recommending a 65 or 70 inch TV or a TV costing $4000 are just wasting their time trying to help you.

I know that if you give me the above info, I could give you the 3-4 TVs that would likely work best and you could go make the final nit-picky personal decisions between them yourself. I will close this lecture by warning you to keep an open mind to all of the technologies and not to let the haters scare you away because of their bias (green blob, convergence, rainbow, and wobulation haters are all too common and will go down in the flames of hell (taking your purchase with them) before admitting a product with any of those characteristics even deserves a second glance)

im looking for below $3000, 50 inch... We are going to buy a new house so i dunno how far away, but we can adjust the couches =) And I think 50inch will be big enough by far and it is pretty cheap compared to the larger ones. And I want a TV that can 'truely' display 1080p, that is how i have heard it said... and the sony sxrd a2000 (the 2006 version) i found for 1700$, is that good? And what other components would I need if/when i get an hd tv? thanks

And guys, some of you are ranting and whatnot, this is just a thread made by an idiot that doesn't know anything about hdtv's, please don't make a huge deal about arguing..
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