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post #11971 of 12044
Hello Jerry, glad to hear you contacted John. I don't think you will be disappointed.

Good luck, John.
post #11972 of 12044
I sent John my OB. I will post the results here when I receive it back.
post #11973 of 12044
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Originally Posted by cdnscg View Post

Good news. How long ago did you change it?

Well, going on 6 months on bulb 2 and still no green here. I wonder if it's dumb luck or my usage pattern? However, it's just gone from being used 10 hours a week to more like 5 hours a day, so we'll see if that matters. It it breaks, I can blame the wife when we need a new one. Then again, the wife was mad I got the 60 instead of the 70, so who knows what we'll end up with.
post #11974 of 12044
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Originally Posted by azzupal View Post

Then again, the wife was mad I got the 60 instead of the 70, so who knows what we'll end up with.

Wow! Your wife wanted the 70 and you the 60? I still consider being able to convince my wife on the 70 was one of the greatest sales jobs I've ever done:)
post #11975 of 12044
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Originally Posted by barryaz1 View Post

Wow! Your wife wanted the 70 and you the 60? I still consider being able to convince my wife on the 70 was one of the greatest sales jobs I've ever done:)
Good job, couldn't get mine to budge on the 70, but the 60 she could deal with, mostly. A good thing it turned out.

Mine's on second bulb for probably a couple years now. During normal use I don't really see much wrong with it (aside from the slightly brownish greyish discoloring at the top that was there pretty soon after I got the set, but not worth the bother to play o.b. roulette with, although I think it's finally spread, unnoticed by me until a few months back -> when I have my Panasonic bd35 blu-ray on the startup screen, what I'm fairly sure was blue-ish and white-ish (only) back in the day seems to still be blue-ish and white-ish in some areas but now a good portion of it is tinged grey-ish with maybe a very very slight light olive-green-ness, to it). I also have had blu-ish blacks from time to time since I got the set, but usually they're not noticeable either, but every once in a while I notice they're still there.

So it looks like I may be due for a new set before long (one of the new Panasonic 65" plasmas perhaps)... I keep telling the wife that when I can't stand the Sony's colors any more (and during normal viewing I hardly ever notice anything wrong with it, too busy watching), it's a done deal. Setting the stage... for the next battle...
post #11976 of 12044
Well it finally happened to me. The green hue (blob) has hit. After all these years of hearing about it and not thinking it would happen it did. I thought the blob was going to be in one area but in fact it’s the whole picture. the TV lasted for 6 1/2 years. I originally bought the TV in 2006 and posted back on post #1492 . I did purchase an extended warranty plan but that expired some years back. so here’s the questions, 1) do I get a new bulb and give that a try. I am on bulb #2 and have not received a message that I am in need for a new bulb 2) do I try and replace the OB. I have not yet done this and from what I have read there is no guarantee it will fix the problem OR 3) do I take the 15% discount sony is offering and get a new TV? I love my xbr2 but now what. Any suggestions?
post #11977 of 12044
Me too, though I knew it would happen sooner or later. See post just prior to yours. It's now pretty much gobbled up most all of the screen. Probably got our sets around the same time (for me it was just a few days after Xmas '06). It's certainly still watchable, but the tinges of off color during b&w especially is more and more annoying, and the slight variations in color the rest of the time, I've just had enough of that too.

I never felt like dealing with the OB roulette wheel as long as the set was going 95%+, but it no longer is, and the foul taste of this Sony experience means I also don't want to deal with them any more either. At least it lasted longer than the 55" Mitsubishi rear projection set it replaced, but it was supposed to last way longer.

In fact, I just went in this afternoon to best buy and my new Panasonic 65zt60 arrives on Saturday (and my XBR2 goes out the door). It was a nice ride, but basically I'm glad it's finally over.

(The 65vt60s are even cheaper by the way, and basically identical except for a bit less glare reduction (and the respective 60" models are cheaper still)). The one thing I will miss from the XBR2 is that it did pretty well in avoiding glare in my room, the Mitsubishi was not so nice in that regard, and I suspect the Panasonic will be similar (though my room has the light a little bit better under control since then, so I'll shortly be finding out. Should be fine after dark.)
post #11978 of 12044
Green Blob hit the beginning of December 2012. My 5 year extended warranty ran through end of January 2013. Thought for sure they would replace set. No such luck. Replaced OB. Now set is out of warranty.

Died over the weekend. Blinking Power LED. 4 Blinks = Fan Issue.

Reading the service manual, it appears there is only 1 fan in the set - but 3 additional DC Motors.

Sony Part Number:

1-787-333-11 DC Fan

8-835-860-31 DC SFF21C/C-NP
8-835-873-11 DC SFF24A/C-NP
8-835-876-11 DC SFF25A/C-NP

Could the 4 blinks indicate a DC motor being out - or is it for sure the 1-787-333-11 DC Fan?

For reference, attached is the page from the Service Manual.



Thanks!
post #11979 of 12044
Got a KDS-R60XBR2 about two weeks ago out of the trash, had the failing blue sxrd panel. So I bought a brand new optics block assembly that was made for the A2000 set, and I just replaced the C-Board, Lens, and Bulb Cover assembly from the old optics assembly and installed the UV filter from the old unit into the new unit and put it together and installed the optics unit into the XBR. Set works great... Not to mention I had to rebuild the entire set to clean out all of the dust (excluding the screen). I may have to go back and rebuild the lens because something like dust or scratches or something is being projected onto the fresnel lens, could be cobwebs could be anything. Here is the set on the new TV stand I bought, originally the stand was holding up a KE-42TS2U that I pulled out of the trash, replaced the signal board and main board in that puppy and works well, it does need a new X and Y, but that will come later.

Eventually I will be putting in an addition uv filter for a total of 3. The stock filters are reflective while the optics filter i am using is absorption based.

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Edited by engineerboy93 - 9/5/13 at 9:44am
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Just finished cleaning the mirror, thank gosh I did because there was some kind of thing showing up in all the pictures. I originally thought it was dust in the lens, turned out to be insect remains and stuff on the mirror. Cleaned it as streak free as possible and good as new. Getting things perfect with this set is so difficult, the sharpness is horrible compared to the photos I have saw of the Qualia006 screen. I want to see if I can improve the focus by adjusting the lens.
post #11981 of 12044
I too, have recently moved on from my 70" XBR2 as of last week. I bought it back in October of 2006 which was posted in this thread way back then.

I had no issues (blobs or otherwise) with my set and it still runs great to this day. I have the official stand for this set and its all going to my moms house this weekend. I changed the bulb a total of 2 times after the bulb that it came with. I still have another brand new bulb in the box too.

I replaced it with a panasonic tcp-65zt60 which has a breathtaking image that the old Sony can't touch.

For quite some time, the Sony XBR2 was king of the castle and thus will be missed. Time has marched on and the ZT now rules the land.

I will check back in another 7 years and report back in when the ZT is out to pasture and is replaced by a 4k OLED.
post #11982 of 12044
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Originally Posted by jdmvette View Post

I too, have recently moved on from my 70" XBR2 as of last week. I bought it back in October of 2006 which was posted in this thread way back then.

I had no issues (blobs or otherwise) with my set and it still runs great to this day. I have the official stand for this set and its all going to my moms house this weekend. I changed the bulb a total of 2 times after the bulb that it came with. I still have another brand new bulb in the box too.

I replaced it with a panasonic tcp-65zt60 which has a breathtaking image that the old Sony can't touch.

For quite some time, the Sony XBR2 was king of the castle and thus will be missed. Time has marched on and the ZT now rules the land.

I will check back in another 7 years and report back in when the ZT is out to pasture and is replaced by a 4k OLED.

Amazing you haven't had an SXRD panel failure yet. Makes me wonder how many hours are on the set...

I bet that Panasonic Plasma puts off allot of heat? I had a KE-42T2SU (PRE-HDTV) and that thing not only loved my electric company and vice versa, but it could heat up the room 20 degrees! I replaced that with the XBR2, but even my XBR2 can heat up the room! Atleast the XBR2 doesn't heat it up as much and thankfully it uses almost half of the electricity as the KE did, so I'm satisfied.

Probably in 7 years they will have something out already replacing OLED. Seems to be pretty rapid how the fellow engineers can put out these sets just they were cars.

I think the XBR still delivers a great picture, sure Plasma has a much better contrast ratio and certainly more accurate colours! I am not going to compare my XBR to my old Sony Plasma because the XBR wins hands down! (Remember the KE is 2003)
post #11983 of 12044
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Originally Posted by engineerboy93 View Post

Amazing you haven't had an SXRD panel failure yet. Makes me wonder how many hours are on the set...

I bet that Panasonic Plasma puts off allot of heat? I had a KE-42T2SU (PRE-HDTV) and that thing not only loved my electric company and vice versa, but it could heat up the room 20 degrees! I replaced that with the XBR2, but even my XBR2 can heat up the room! Atleast the XBR2 doesn't heat it up as much and thankfully it uses almost half of the electricity as the KE did, so I'm satisfied.

Probably in 7 years they will have something out already replacing OLED. Seems to be pretty rapid how the fellow engineers can put out these sets just they were cars.

I think the XBR still delivers a great picture, sure Plasma has a much better contrast ratio and certainly more accurate colours! I am not going to compare my XBR to my old Sony Plasma because the XBR wins hands down! (Remember the KE is 2003)

I would say I have a ton of hours on the xbr2. Considering the fact that I work nights, have a little one who is not yet in school, 2 teenage kids and a stay-at-home wife, the Sony was pretty much always on.

The new plasma sure does put off some heat. I have been enabling the CATS any time the set is used while I am not watching it. I figure if i keep this on for 80% of the time that I am not watching, this should cut down on the power consumption.

I read on sonys site that the xbr2 uses 285w in operation. From what i can find, the "typical consumption" for the new plasma set is listing 169-189w as average.

If my power bill stays the same as the Sony I will be pleased. If it goes down that's just gravy. If it goes higher...eek.gif
post #11984 of 12044
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Originally Posted by jdmvette View Post

I would say I have a ton of hours on the xbr2. Considering the fact that I work nights, have a little one who is not yet in school, 2 teenage kids and a stay-at-home wife, the Sony was pretty much always on.

The new plasma sure does put off some heat. I have been enabling the CATS any time the set is used while I am not watching it. I figure if i keep this on for 80% of the time that I am not watching, this should cut down on the power consumption.

I read on sonys site that the xbr2 uses 285w in operation. From what i can find, the "typical consumption" for the new plasma set is listing 169-189w as average.

If my power bill stays the same as the Sony I will be pleased. If it goes down that's just gravy. If it goes higher...eek.gif

Wow, I am surprised! I got mine out of the trash and it had 9400 hours of use and the entire screen was greenish yellow. I think the bulb was the original though because it had already had the bulb change notification reminder up. I just cleared it to get rid of it. Anyways, I am surprised that yours made it so long. You must have gotten very lucky or something. I have noticed one or two out in circulation made it through many hours of use without any hiccups while most end up failing. I wonder if Sony perhaps had different optics company at that time or something...

Yup the 60" XBR2 does consume about 285 Watts. I don't think that is too bad considering two things, one is 60" size and the 2nd is that my previous set (the ke-42ts2u) consumed close to 415 Watts and was only 42". Oh, I don't think I would go 285 right away because they don't mention if that is with or without power save. I run mine on power save and I am going to assume that the 285 is with power save off.

I have to give credit to Panasonic for being the only company left (that I know of) who still invests in plasma. I think Panasonic perfected plasma television technology. Sony never mastered anything as far as I can see... What I would love to see is more Pioneer stuff, they were huge back in the 90's. I was a small boy then but I remember going into the electronic stores and they would have Pioneer stuff all over and they could do some amazing things, I guess Pioneer is a Pioneer in the industry.

Anyways, I am amazed how low that power consumption is for your plasma. I am sure it puts out less heat than previous generation sets but I know that they put out heat because it is just the results of the plasma effect.

What is that CATS? I am assuming it is some sort of power save function or something?
Edited by engineerboy93 - 9/4/13 at 4:37am
post #11985 of 12044
Yeah that's what they call their power saving setting. It basically lowers the screen brightness automatically based on the ambient light in the room.

It works well because the tv is definitely more dim with this setting on.

How do you determine the hours on the xbr2? Can it be checked via the menus?
post #11986 of 12044
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Originally Posted by jdmvette View Post

Yeah that's what they call their power saving setting. It basically lowers the screen brightness automatically based on the ambient light in the room.

It works well because the tv is definitely more dim with this setting on.

How do you determine the hours on the xbr2? Can it be checked via the menus?

Oh I see, new names for common features.

You have to get into the service menu to check the hours. Just press the following buttons in sequence [display] -> [5] -> [volume up] -> [on]
then something will come up that says service or something like that, you are going to want to hit the jump button a few times until you get to a menu that has something that reads out Panel and Diff 60Hz. Using the [2] button scroll up to 21 and then you can use your [1] button to scroll the sub menu and I think it is #3 on the menu that shows you the hours of operation. Mine read something like 9400 hours. You can alternately use the [4] button to scroll down the sub menu and use the [5] button to scroll down the main menu. The [3] and [6] button are used to make changes, so do not touch those buttons because you can accidentally brick the TV (which isn't a problem, unplug it from the wall).

Take my instructions with some sort of salt because I am giving those from memory so it might be sub menu 4 or 5 and not 3. You will know though which one it is, Sony for once made it very clear which was the operation hours.

Well, I think that is very cool how your set adjusts brightness to the ambient light. Of course it does this by changing the on-off frequency of the panel. The higher the frequency the brighter. Plasma TV's are very cool in how they operate, of all the TV technologies Plasma and Projection (DLP, SXRD, LCoS, CRT, etc...) are practically the only ones that can be repaired without a major board replacement or they do require board replacement but chances are it is an inexpensive repair. I have gotten some LCD's that required LCD controlled boards and I see in Walmart all the time TV's for like 300-500 bucks that are 50"+. I am not exactly comparing apples to apples but TV is TV!
Edited by engineerboy93 - 9/4/13 at 4:39am
post #11987 of 12044
^ thanks for that info! I will try it out next weekend after I set up the TV at its new house.

Ill get back with you on how many hours are on there.
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Originally Posted by jdmvette View Post

^ thanks for that info! I will try it out next weekend after I set up the TV at its new house.

Ill get back with you on how many hours are on there.

you're welcome. i am still learning the in's and out's of the service menu. sadly sony didn't publish a manual to describe everything that is in the service menu, atleast they haven't published one that i am aware of. it seems that they kind of leave it up to people who are in the industry as the terminology is its own language in and of itself.

i'm interested to hear how many hours are on your set.
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Originally Posted by jdmvette View Post

^ thanks for that info! I will try it out next weekend after I set up the TV at its new house.

Ill get back with you on how many hours are on there.

Oh hey, in the meantime do you think you could recommend me some blu-ray movies? I am finally embracing full HD into my life and starting to enjoy it. So if you have seen any movies that you think are worthwhile I would like to know so I can add them to my list. I don't watch many new movies, I watch allot of the re-masters of things from the 40's up to the 90's. The newest movie I have is Gran Torino and I must say Clint is a boss in that movie, I had just finished A fist full of dollars and for a few dollars more and he is something... I plan to move onto his cop ones... dirty harry.
post #11990 of 12044
^ check out The Outlaw Josey Wales.

That's my favorite Eastwood western. Not sure if its on bluray though.
post #11991 of 12044
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Originally Posted by jdmvette View Post

^ check out The Outlaw Josey Wales.

That's my favorite Eastwood western. Not sure if its on bluray though.
Thanks,
I have that on my list, I am going to push it up to the top of the list. They do have it on Blu-Ray though, http://www.blu-ray.com/The-Outlaw-Josey-Wales/27638/

Clint Eastwood aside, I really wish they would have put MASH on Blu-Ray, MASH the show.
post #11992 of 12044
First time posting... After 5-1/2 years of service My KDS-R70XBR2 started yellowing last November and was fully green by the end of January; I replaced with a new TV but thought there was still life in this one, so I sent the OB to John Breton around March 1; he received it, cashed my check on March 5, and told me it would be done in April.

The last message I have from him is from June 11th, apologizing for the delay and stating "You will have it very soon, days not weeks." I have tried to contact him several times since then with no response. I have seen others post that it takes 2-3 months to get them back, but we're up to six now, and three without any word.

Anyone else having this much trouble reaching him?

I'm getting close to the point of giving up, breaking up the frame and parting out what I have left.
Such a shame because it really was a great TV...
post #11993 of 12044
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Originally Posted by kkalp77 View Post

First time posting... After 5-1/2 years of service My KDS-R70XBR2 started yellowing last November and was fully green by the end of January; I replaced with a new TV but thought there was still life in this one, so I sent the OB to John Breton around March 1; he received it, cashed my check on March 5, and told me it would be done in April.

The last message I have from him is from June 11th, apologizing for the delay and stating "You will have it very soon, days not weeks." I have tried to contact him several times since then with no response. I have seen others post that it takes 2-3 months to get them back, but we're up to six now, and three without any word.

Anyone else having this much trouble reaching him?

I'm getting close to the point of giving up, breaking up the frame and parting out what I have left.
Such a shame because it really was a great TV...

I know it is a shame because they are nice sets, I just replaced my optics block with a brand new one that was for the A2000 series, I have to use the old c-board, lens, and light cover but it works perfectly. The new unit shows some yellowing but not in a gray scale, only in a gray frame. Leads me to believe that it is a combination of heat, uv, and age. But I have two good panels from the old optics block so I am set for years.

I don't know Mr.Brenton and I don't want to speak badly of him, but for the general practice of business it sounds like he is either trying to rip you off or he is having a hard time getting the parts or is backed up.

My optics block I am modifying, I already have two UV filters install as I took one from the old optics assembly and paired it inside the new unit. I have a photographic grade filter on order (106 bucks and they still haven't made it yet), so hopefully that should help protect it a bit more. If it doesn't, oh well I tried.

I hate that my new unit already has some yellowing, it is probably because I have been using the set for the past couple weeks without any really strong UV filtration and of course the age of the new unit. But atleast the defect does not show up in the movies and it hardly noticeable, I just noticed the slightest defects because of my photography I do and well I just pay attention to detail. Anyways, though it does make an amazing picture and that new filter may help me out in the long run. I don't mind replacing my panel, just the damn convergence is a butt. I just have to get it aligned up and then I can do the standard convergence in the service menu. But again, it has to be pretty horizontal at the least bit.

Well good luck to you, hopefully Mr.Brenton will come through.
post #11994 of 12044
I sent my OB to John Bretton on June 28. I heard from him in mid July that he had been ill and would be getting it out soon. Since then he has failed to reply to two emails. I hope I will eventually see my OB back, but as he does not reply to emails I have to advise people to avoid using him.
post #11995 of 12044
If he's ill that would explain the disappearance ... sounds like we're out of luck. frown.gif

Anyone need parts for a KDS-R70XBR2? PM me if interested, I'm in Farmington Hills, MI (~25 miles NW of Detroit).
post #11996 of 12044
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Originally Posted by kkalp77 View Post

If he's ill that would explain the disappearance ... sounds like we're out of luck. frown.gif

Anyone need parts for a KDS-R70XBR2? PM me if interested, I'm in Farmington Hills, MI (~25 miles NW of Detroit).

I would wait a little longer to hear back from him before parting it out, just incase.
post #11997 of 12044
Again I don't know him so he could just be slow, honestly it does not take long to fix a optics block. But again good luck to you with the issue.
post #11998 of 12044
Regarding John Breton, try calling him on his cell phone at 860-367-1894. You may want to dial *67 before calling. He is by no means the best business man, but he does not strike me as someone who would rip anyone off. Believe me, I do not condone his business practices per se, but I don't think deep down he is a scam artist. Just my opinion. Best of luck to all.
post #11999 of 12044
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Originally Posted by jdmvette View Post

^ thanks for that info! I will try it out next weekend after I set up the TV at its new house.

Ill get back with you on how many hours are on there.
So how many hours are on it?
post #12000 of 12044
i actually haven't checked yet. its all set up at her house but i wasn't able to get into the menu. i will try the next time i go over.

she is very thrilled to have it and with a brand new bulb, it looks great in her living room.
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