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post #1201 of 12039
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Originally Posted by cwguy View Post

The 1920x1080 PC connection on page 77 of the manual is for a Component Video connection, not a VGA connection.

Most ATI video cards are capable of Component Video output for use with an HDTV. I'm sure NVIDIA cards are too.

There is a post about using Component Video at 1920x1080 with a PC and an XBOX at post number 202 in this thread. (Since this is my first post, I can't include the URL.)

I asked Sony 2nd level tech support about the spec for the VGA input, and was told that it is only designed to support up to 1280x1024.
post #1202 of 12039
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Originally Posted by jtregear View Post

Can you tell me what kind of applications you're talking about that wouldn't be compatible? I've been testing this for possible use as a conference room display system as an alternative to front projectors and it would be good to know what kinds of apps wouldn't be compatible with Powerstrip resolution in a resolution.

I've only had problems running games when the desktop is at a strange resolution. You shouldn't have any problems with programs that run on the desktop.

raab
post #1203 of 12039
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Originally Posted by theguy View Post

Thanks for your input. No room for 70" so not a real issue.

definitely get the 60 xbr2 and use the cash for hd-dvd player. you won't regret it
post #1204 of 12039
I say keep the XBR1 and pocket the $1,700 for the SED when it hits in 2012.
post #1205 of 12039
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Originally Posted by theguy View Post

I am in a bit of a unique position. I have a 60" XBR1 that works absolutely flawlessly and has for the last 6 months. I have the ability to do one of the following things:
1. Trade in the XBR1 for a new 60" XBR2 and receive a $400 refund

or

2. Trade in the XBR1 for a new A2000 60" and receive a $1,100 refund

or

2. Keep the XBR1 and get a $1,700 refund.

I suspect the XBR1 is better than the A2000 other than the 1080P input ability. Not sure how important that is for the next few years. For the curious, I have this ability through a BB due to green blob problems on a previous set and how they wanted to handle things. Clearly I have no complaints with BB.

My inclination is to either go with the new XBR2 or keep the XBR1.

What do you think? thanks

Who is offering you the refund? Your dealer? Sony?
post #1206 of 12039
Can anybody tell me if the XBR2 or the A2000 support HDMI 1.3 ? If not, can the HDMI inputs be upgraded to HDMI 1.3 ?
post #1207 of 12039
Hey Everyone,
I picked my XBR2 up yesterday and here are my initial thoughts. When I first plugged this thing up to my directv HDDVR via Monster HDMI I was actually quite dissapointed. I thought the picture was very distorted so I went in and changed the settings to the ones reccommended here on this forum. Still it wasn't good enough.

I then Played Matrix Revolutions in my samsung upconverting dvd player via a standard HDMI cable and I was Very Dissapointed here. There was no clarity to the picture and it almost seemed out of focus.

I left my tv on for roughly ten hours and came back and tinkered with the settings some more. Watching Discovery HD Blew me away for the first time. I compared it side by side to my old Panny 30 inch hd tube viewing the same channel and it actually had a better picture than my panny.

Today I got home and played with all the settings for my dvd input and got the picture to a point to where I am almost blown away. The more I mess around with the settings the happier I become.

Now, one of two things happened. The settings I changed around actually made a huge difference or there was some kind burn in period for the light engine. Either way regardless Watching Disovery HD is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. Analog channels are just decent but hopefully they won't be around for too much longer. I think I may Sh&% myself if I see this thing hooked up to a blu ray player.

Bottom Line: This tv comes with terrible default settings, but once you find the sweet spot be ready to have jaws drop. I have a bunch of people coming over for the big game on saturday and I'm anxious to see what their reactions are. Just my two cents.
Ryan
post #1208 of 12039
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Originally Posted by bigkazzyry View Post

The settings I changed around actually made a huge difference or there was some kind burn in period for the light engine....


There is no such thing as burn-in for the SXRD chips, they either work or they don't. You could however regress the system by running the TV non-stop for 100 hrs straight to shake out electronic failures and workout the bulb. Try to avoid heat soaking the TV by turning it on and off frequently.
post #1209 of 12039
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Originally Posted by KTTV Images View Post

Suggested XBR2 Settings Update:

I have updated my original list of suggested control settings for the XBR2 along with comments on the behavior of the Sharpness/DRC controls, and Standard TV picture Quality observations.

These are at the site below. Post #171 on this thread..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...89#post8568689

I hope these may be of some help.

KT

Thank you KT.

I tried your settings and my TV looks terrific.

However, I am unable to access cinemotion. It is not highlighted, therefore when I scroll down it bypasses it.

Ideas?
post #1210 of 12039
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Originally Posted by bigkazzyry View Post

Hey Everyone,
I picked my XBR2 up yesterday and here are my initial thoughts. When I first plugged this thing up to my directv HDDVR via Monster HDMI I was actually quite dissapointed. I thought the picture was very distorted so I went in and changed the settings to the ones reccommended here on this forum. Still it wasn't good enough.

I then Played Matrix Revolutions in my samsung upconverting dvd player via a standard HDMI cable and I was Very Dissapointed here. There was no clarity to the picture and it almost seemed out of focus.

I left my tv on for roughly ten hours and came back and tinkered with the settings some more. Watching Discovery HD Blew me away for the first time. I compared it side by side to my old Panny 30 inch hd tube viewing the same channel and it actually had a better picture than my panny.

Today I got home and played with all the settings for my dvd input and got the picture to a point to where I am almost blown away. The more I mess around with the settings the happier I become.

Now, one of two things happened. The settings I changed around actually made a huge difference or there was some kind burn in period for the light engine. Either way regardless Watching Disovery HD is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. Analog channels are just decent but hopefully they won't be around for too much longer. I think I may Sh&% myself if I see this thing hooked up to a blu ray player.

Bottom Line: This tv comes with terrible default settings, but once you find the sweet spot be ready to have jaws drop. I have a bunch of people coming over for the big game on saturday and I'm anxious to see what their reactions are. Just my two cents.
Ryan

Iniital bulb brightness drops a little after about 100 hours so that might be what you experienced. So probably should wait a week or two before nailing down your settings or getting a calibration.
post #1211 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Hanzo View Post

Can anybody tell me if the XBR2 or the A2000 support HDMI 1.3 ? If not, can the HDMI inputs be upgraded to HDMI 1.3 ?

Hanzo--no, do a search, seek and ye shall find....
post #1212 of 12039
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Originally Posted by BeepBeep6262 View Post

I've always steered clear of those places. Not because they're not dependable because I don't know that for sure, but you add jacked up shipping + tax + warranty to that and price gets up there...

Still debating on Crutchfield's nice price (free ship, no tax )

I would be very leery of some of those places. I bought mine from ABT Electronics, they are listed as an authorized Sony dealer on Sony's web site. I dealt with a guy by the name of Mike McCoy. He did not pressure me into buying their extd. warr. or any accessories and beat Crutchfield's price by a "sbstantiantial" amount including free shipping to Northern California It is due to leave tomorrow from Chicago (where they are based). I paid 100 bucks extra for white gloves to have it brought inside and to get rid of the box. I'll keep updating as to how it goes untill I receive it. They have a good rating on resellers .com. I bought the 5 year warranty from Sony directly.
post #1213 of 12039
Anyone else have luck getting 1080p over vga?
post #1214 of 12039
I just placed my order for the 60" with Crutchfield and now I'm a bit worried. I have this Boltz tv stand from my current Sony 36XBR400 CRT 230lb behemoth and I don't know if the 60" will even fit on it! The top shelf has 4 bolts protruding upward so that I only have 40-41 inches of clearance between them. I'm thinking by removing the two middle bolts I'll be able to fit the 60's trapezoidial base between them somehow but I have no way of knowing for sure. Nobody at sony or crutchfield can give me solid measurements of that base. Sure the Sony stand gives measurements, but the tv rests inside of a cut out which would lead me to believe it's measurements are at least a little larger than the actual foot. Can anybody confirm measurements on it for me? I have about 9 1/2 inches of clearance front to back on the two remaining bolts on either side. Does the tv's foot taper in enough to clear that? From side-to-side between the front and back bolts is about 40 3/4 inches so basically it's a box 40 3/4"W X 9 1/2"D. The only other solution I can think of is to get a piece of glass cut to go in that area that's 1/2" thick, but that'll cost me nearly $100. It's either that or pay $250 for the top shelf from Boltz that has recessed top bolts...
Thanks
post #1215 of 12039
Ok, now for a silly question...

Anybody pick up their 70" by themselves? I am having the stand and TV delivered on Saturday. They aren't going to wait around for me to assemble to the stand. So, after I assemble the stand, I'm going to have to pick up the TV and put it on it. Is this possible to do by yourself? The TV is supposed to be 161 lbs but it might be a bit too akward to pick up by oneself.
post #1216 of 12039
No, you can't upgrade the HDMI's from 1.1 to1.3. You also need to convert some "internal parts" which is not possible.
post #1217 of 12039
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Originally Posted by jingrande@cox.ne View Post

Thank you KT.

I tried your settings and my TV looks terrific.

However, I am unable to access cinemotion. It is not highlighted, therefore when I scroll down it bypasses it.

Ideas?

That is normal on the XBR2. You can only access Cinemotion when the source is 480i. It behaves as if Cinemotion is automatically on and not accessible with all 1080i sources.
KT
post #1218 of 12039
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Originally Posted by KTTV Images View Post

That is normal on the XBR2. You can only access Cinemotion when the source is 480i. It behaves as if iCinemotion is automatically on and not accessible with all 1080i sources.
KT

KTTV,

Can you confirm if 1080p over vga is possible?
post #1219 of 12039
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Originally Posted by maximum360 View Post

KTTV,

Can you confirm if 1080p over vga is possible?

I do not know. Sorry.
KT
post #1220 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Monkeydust View Post

Ok, now for a silly question...

Anybody pick up their 70" by themselves? I am having the stand and TV delivered on Saturday. They aren't going to wait around for me to assemble to the stand. So, after I assemble the stand, I'm going to have to pick up the TV and put it on it. Is this possible to do by yourself? The TV is supposed to be 161 lbs but it might be a bit too akward to pick up by oneself.

Its not that its heavy but quite large and awkward (mind you I have the 60). I would not recommend it. I could easily lift it weight-wise (hell, I get a full keg of beer up my stairs every month or so) but it is hard to get a good handle. Get a neighbor--it is not heavy so they don't even have to be stout.
post #1221 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Monkeydust View Post

Ok, now for a silly question...

Anybody pick up their 70" by themselves? I am having the stand and TV delivered on Saturday. They aren't going to wait around for me to assemble to the stand. So, after I assemble the stand, I'm going to have to pick up the TV and put it on it. Is this possible to do by yourself? The TV is supposed to be 161 lbs but it might be a bit too akward to pick up by oneself.

Be careful where you grab onto the set. Sony warns against grabbing the set by the pedestal or by speakers (the front frame at the sides where the speakers are). I suggest you look for handling instructions or read page 11 in the instruction manual inside the box before you try to lift it.

KT
post #1222 of 12039
Just tried to connect my laptop (Dell Inspirion) to my 60" XBR2 with a new 25' VGA cable and all I am getting is a "No signal" indicator on Video 9. Anyone else have this problem? Any suggestions?
post #1223 of 12039
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Originally Posted by jingrande@cox.ne View Post

Thank you KT.

I tried your settings and my TV looks terrific.

However, I am unable to access cinemotion. It is not highlighted, therefore when I scroll down it bypasses it.

Ideas?

Set to channel to 480i material and it'll be highlighted.
post #1224 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Monkeydust View Post

Ok, now for a silly question...

Anybody pick up their 70" by themselves? I am having the stand and TV delivered on Saturday. They aren't going to wait around for me to assemble to the stand. So, after I assemble the stand, I'm going to have to pick up the TV and put it on it. Is this possible to do by yourself? The TV is supposed to be 161 lbs but it might be a bit too akward to pick up by oneself.

Weight isn't too bad, but it is very large, and weight distribution is very unequal. It's no sweat for two people (assuming they are in reasonable shape) but I have no idea how one person could get a clean grip to lift it by themselves.

eric
post #1225 of 12039
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Originally Posted by best HDTV View Post

No, you can't upgrade the HDMI's from 1.1 to1.3. You also need to convert some "internal parts" which is not possible.



Sigh, I didn't think so....so I hear that the Playstation 3 is going to be the 1st HDMI 1.3 player on the market. I take it we'll probably have to wait until next year's models to get HDMI 1.3 on the Sony tv's.....?


post #1226 of 12039
I just finished messing around with the VGA connection and it is pretty much trash. I was able to get it to say it's displaying 1080p but it had crazy underscan and was stuck in 4:3..... which doesn't make sense.

I already have a DVI -> HDMI setup that looks great in games at 1080p (well using the overscan tools from nvidia (geforce 7900 pro) the rez comes to 1808 x 1016).

The nvidia over/underscan options were not available going analog VGA so I'm not going to bothering going forward with it any more. I really wish they had a dvi port like the mits but oh well the TV looks amazing.
post #1227 of 12039
For the person wanting the mesurements from with the sony stand from the floor to the start of the viewable screen it is 22 3/4"

I like the Sony stand except for the fact that the metal looking edge you see..... is a metal colored plastic piece.... for $500 kinda sucks but it's solid and from the couch my eyes are exactly half way up the screen.
post #1228 of 12039
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Originally Posted by plasmabuyer View Post

There is no such thing as burn-in for the SXRD chips, they either work or they don't. You could however regress the system by running the TV non-stop for 100 hrs straight to shake out electronic failures and workout the bulb. Try to avoid heat soaking the TV by turning it on and off frequently.

Just to be clear: there are actually two types of "burin-in", and this might lead to some confusion...

There is "burn-in", as in what a Plasma or CRT can get when a fixed-image is displayed too long - an after-image gets "burned-in" to the screen, that persists.

Then, there is industrial 'burn-in', which usually comes at the end of the manufacturing process and involves operating the system electronics for an extended period of time. The set is left on for anywhere from hours to days, letting heat build up in the system (this is called "heat soak") to a level where weak or out-of-spec components in the system will fail.

Powering on the set and running it until the temperatures stabilze, then turing the set off and letting it cool down to room temp repeatedly is known as "heat cycling", which is another way to stress the electronics and force out the premature component failures. Heat cycling is arguably more stressful to the system than heat soaking.

Most stressful of all is repeatedly cycling the set power on then off without allowing full warm-up, and this is known as "bad".

So in fact it can be said that SXRD chips can suffer from "burn-in", just like any other electroninc device. But SXRD chips don't suffer from lingering after-image "burn-in" like plasmas and CRTs do.

Cheers,
-3Gun
post #1229 of 12039
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Originally Posted by best HDTV View Post

No, you can't upgrade the HDMI's from 1.1 to1.3. You also need to convert some "internal parts" which is not possible.

Isn't the XBR2 HDMI 1.2a ?
post #1230 of 12039
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Originally Posted by 3Gun View Post

Just to be clear: there are actually two types of "burin-in", and this might lead to some confusion...

There is "burn-in", as in what a Plasma or CRT can get when a fixed-image is displayed too long - an after-image gets "burned-in" to the screen, that persists.

Then, there is industrial 'burn-in', which usually comes at the end of the manufacturing process and involves operating the system electronics for an extended period of time. The set is left on for anywhere from hours to days, letting heat build up in the system (this is called "heat soak") to a level where weak or out-of-spec components in the system will fail.

Powering on the set and running it until the temperatures stabilze, then turing the set off and letting it cool down to room temp repeatedly is known as "heat cycling", which is another way to stress the electronics and force out the premature component failures. Heat cycling is arguably more stressful to the system than heat soaking.

Most stressful of all is repeatedly cycling the set power on then off without allowing full warm-up, and this is known as "bad".


Cheers,
-3Gun

So when I get my new XBR2, I don't have to leave it on for 100 straight hours, right? Maybe 4 or 5 hours at a time?
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