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post #1291 of 12039
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Originally Posted by pbmpharmacist View Post

Well I'm a couple of hours in and I'm very happy. The first thing I did was label my inputs and start changing settings. I tried Aiken Ghoti's settings first but they didn't look so hot to me.

Yeah, at first I liked my settings, since they were a lot better than the defaults, but over the last two days I've been trying to work out the kinks and I've been having a lot of issues, especially with reds and fleshtones. I tried KTTV's recent changes as well, and they also had their pluses and minues.

In the end, I realized that I absolutely adored the picture on my old Elite and missed it very much, so rather than making my picture "correct", I worked my butt off to make it look as much like the Elite as possible. It took me about three hours of going back and forth between the two TVs, but I finally homed in on something that's pretty much bang on. My wife agrees that the picture is now way better.

The main thing I noticed is that, even though you can eliminate apparent white crush by lowering Picture (aka Contrast aka White Level) a few notches, there's a lot of lesser crush that still occurs and it tends to make a well-lit face lose all detail in the lighter areas. I had to lower the Picture to 84 to get that detail to remain. True, this darkens the image overall, but your eyes adjust and stop seeing it as darker in almost no time.

The secondary thing I noticed is that there's just no way my eyes will accept Warm 2. I don't care what color meters say, it makes whites look brown and my eyes cannot adjust to it, no matter how long they're exposed to it. I'm using Warm 1 again and my eyes will accept that.

The final thing I noticed is that the color decoder is failing with regards to reds. It seems to have the whole color space either skewed or rotated. Reds always come out too fuchsia. Thus, against all internal protests, I once again put the Hue at G 2. As one might expect, certain tones became too green: blues became a little cyan, and some fleshtones turned a little too yellow. Luckily, these issues were both related to the same color. Thus, I adjusted the White Balance to reduce green. I couldn't rotate the Hue too far towards green, because then I couldn't correct with White Balance, so I also had to tweak blue down a bit in White Balance, and that finally got reds to be red and faces not to be overly pink. In the end, I managed to get a spectrum that matched my old Elite, which had a great picture that never made me question colors.

I also dropped Brightness (aka Black Level) a couple of notches, because though it may be nice to see shadow detail, it just doesn't look appropriate. I think this was also necessary because I had dropped Picture (white level).

I'm not home to check right now, but I'm pretty sure I also ended up going back to the ITU601 Color Matrix for SD. My initial impression that the wrong matrix (ITU709) was being used for SD at the head end of my cable company due to recent switchovers to all-digital delivery was probably wrong, implied by the bad color decoding I mentioned above.

Note that these changes are all for SD. HD uses different color math and I haven't totally reworked it yet. KTTV's settings seemed at least like a good basis for HD, though.

I think I'm going to go back to my post and put this information in it. The settings were an okay first pass, but I'd rather not be leading people down the wrong path. Unfortunately, posting the new settings is probably useless, since it's much more personal taste now and not necessarily a good base for everyone. Edit: I posted them anyway.
post #1292 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Mikey_Gee View Post

How far away are you from the set.

I am at 11ft and was thining about a 70"


I am about 11 1/2 feet away. It took me about...oh....10 seconds to get used to it .
post #1293 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Mikey_Gee View Post

OK, so even though the manual says that the VGA port on the XBR2 WILL accept 1920x1080 ..... IT WILL NOT ??

but

The XBR2 "WILL INDEED" accept at 1080p signal and display it at 1080p through the component cable ????

Reason I ask is the new fall update for the XBOX 360 (after listening to the Maj Nelson POD CAST) said that the 360 will do native 1080p VIA the "VGA" as well as the "COMPONENT" cable.

So I want to get this VERY CLEAR IN MY HEAD before pulling the trigger on this set.

Right now it is between SONY and JVC (for sure want LCoS technology)

The fact the JVC DOES NOT do 1080p over VGA "OR" component is kind of shying me away. I will pay the extra for the SONY just for this extra feature.

Cheers


I sent a 1080p signal from an external video processor thru the VGA input. The set accepted the signal BUT boxed it on all 4 sides. Effective size was roughly that of a 50" set not 70".
post #1294 of 12039
Monkeydust: the sony stand comes already assembled. You just have to loosen 3 screws to pop off the front piece, set the tv in, then pop the front back on - just 3 or 4 minutes. By the way for any of you guys agonising over size, I'm 9 feet from the 70 incher and wouldn't have it any smaller for the true hi-def movie experience. I watch news and other standard def routine stuff on one of the split screens upsized to about 45 inches and its perfect. Just my 2 cents.
post #1295 of 12039
I didn't get the Sony stand, I got this one: http://www.bello.com/images/products...-Room_500p.jpg

I will also be stting 9' away from my 70" so I hope that's far enough for me too.
post #1296 of 12039
Was looking at the 70" model and decided to look into Sonys Blu-ray player to see if they put in the owners manual yet. Delivery date yet again delayed till Dec 4th. I wanted to buy a TV and all components together. Anyone know why they are yet again delaying this player?
post #1297 of 12039
It looks like there might be a chance that this set will do 1080/24p according to this post...


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Originally Posted by RichieE46 View Post

We are using 1080p/24 on a sony xbr3 and it works fine. No problems. I have yet to time the boot up time so ill get that for you later.
post #1298 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Harkonen View Post

I am about 11 1/2 feet away. It took me about...oh....10 seconds to get used to it .


Hahahahahahahaaa

NICE !!!!

YEah, I am really looking at the 70"

From what I have read, view distance also has a good deal to do with your TV resolution.

Therefore a set that accpets and upcomverts EVERYTHING to 1080p give you more flex in regards to being a bit closer to a larger set. And since I am in the market for a 1080p Native ..... this is the case.

I am (to be acurate) actually also at 11.5 feet.

THANKS VERY MUCH FOR THE REPLY.

CAN'T WAIT !!!

Not sure who I will go with (SONY or JVC) just yet ... but the 70" is looking as the prefered size.
post #1299 of 12039
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Originally Posted by dsinger View Post

I sent a 1080p signal from an external video processor thru the VGA input. The set accepted the signal BUT boxed it on all 4 sides. Effective size was roughly that of a 50" set not 70".


Hmmm ,if that is the case I can only assume that ALL sets will do the same.

Accept the 1080x1920 in the VGA port .... but box it off as needed.

As you said ... 70" screen but an actual picture size of about 50"
post #1300 of 12039
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Originally Posted by pbmpharmacist View Post

I respect your opinion, Joe, but Cnet is far from clueless. They do seem BIASED towards Sony products but then again all of the SXRD products have been well reviewed by everyone!

One problem with Cnet reviews is that the manufacturer gets to choose the set, i.e., no "green blobs." If I remember correctly, Cnet remarked on how suspiciously well adjusted the XBR1 was out of the box. I also suspect Cnet tries not to offend the major manufacturers, including Sony, too much. Otherwise, I find Cnet reviews quite useful in evaluating the current lineup. The XBR1 generally got rave reviews from all reviewers, not just Cnet. From what I have seen of the XBR2, I would be surprised if it does not do as well.
post #1301 of 12039
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Originally Posted by dxdenis02 View Post

hello all
just came back to the board....now i had 3 60 xbr1 all from a local best buy... all had the green blob... all returned...now that the xbr2 is out and in my local CC im ready to buy....so my million dollar question is has the green blob issue been taken care of on the xbr2...i have read and searched on it... seems no green blob issues.....just looking for confirmation if sony nailed down the issue...would like to add the xbr2 and a blu ray player to my home theather line up

I also have a Feb xbr1 60". So while I had some time to kill with an oil change, I dropped in to the fry's in san marcos and they had all 3 available and on display; the xbr1 50", a 60" a2000 and a 70" xbr2.

Sad to report that the xbr2 on display clearly has a green band about 9" tall running across the bottom left probably going 2/3's of the way across and visible when the color is all the way down and also clearly visible on the channel programming screen.

It also had very poor convergence on the top left and was off diagonally by at about an inch rising to the top right. Not a good sample of quality by any means.

I also powered off this unit and powered it on and saw the usual startup uniformity donut that I've seen on all xbr1's that I've ever tested which is somwhere around 18 to 20 at last count. Bottom line is that it appears to have the same startup characteristics as any of them and very similar startup to my xbr1 that mostly clears up.

Now, the rest of the screen after warmup looked very uniform, but the bottom left was clearly exhibiting a green discoloration compared to the rest of the screen.

On the a2000, it had a purple discoloration on the right hand side clearly visible with the color down and on the channel program screen too. My xbr1 with a slight issue was WAY better than either of these 2 sets.

And finally, they had the 50" xbr1 (improperly labeled as 1080p btw) with a really bad color uniformity issue as a 'special price' promo.

Of the 3 in the store, I'd take none over my feb 60" xbr1 that has a very very slight uniformity issue.

Oh well, I'm hoping to check out another store in the next week or two while I'm out doing errands again just to see another sample. I was really really hoping that this was cleared up by now.

I just hope this xbr2 was a bad sample and that things have really improved.
post #1302 of 12039
AS preciously posted, I just unloaded my Mits 65" dlp and took delivery of the 60" xbr2. I definitley can that out of the box to my eye, it's a better pic.

Anyone else feel that factory default setting give a bit of red push?
post #1303 of 12039
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Originally Posted by tbAVS View Post

I also have a Feb xbr1 60". So while I had some time to kill with an oil change, I dropped in to the fry's in san marcos and they had all 3 available and on display; the xbr1 50", a 60" a2000 and a 70" xbr2.

Sad to report that the xbr2 on display clearly has a green band about 9" tall running across the bottom left probably going 2/3's of the way across and visible when the color is all the way down and also clearly visible on the channel programming screen.

It also had very poor convergence on the top left and was off diagonally by at about an inch rising to the top right. Not a good sample of quality by any means.

I also powered off this unit and powered it on and saw the usual startup uniformity donut that I've seen on all xbr1's that I've ever tested which is somwhere around 18 to 20 at last count. Bottom line is that it appears to have the same startup characteristics as any of them and very similar startup to my xbr1 that mostly clears up.

Now, the rest of the screen after warmup looked very uniform, but the bottom left was clearly exhibiting a green discoloration compared to the rest of the screen.

On the a2000, it had a purple discoloration on the right hand side clearly visible with the color down and on the channel program screen too. My xbr1 with a slight issue was WAY better than either of these 2 sets.

And finally, they had the 50" xbr1 (improperly labeled as 1080p btw) with a really bad color uniformity issue as a 'special price' promo.

Of the 3 in the store, I'd take none over my feb 60" xbr1 that has a very very slight uniformity issue.

Oh well, I'm hoping to check out another store in the next week or two while I'm out doing errands again just to see another sample. I was really really hoping that this was cleared up by now.

I just hope this xbr2 was a bad sample and that things have really improved.



i to went in to this very same frys location in san marcos and i saw the exact same thing...very disturbing to know sony still hasnt been able to nip this one in the bud and more than likely never will...guess ill stick with my "60 XBR1
post #1304 of 12039
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

Unfortunately, what you read was incorrect. It is not possible to add HDMI 1.3 with any sort of an adapter. HDMI 1.3 would require a complete logic board swap -- the HDMI 1.2a chip is soldiered onto the board -- and will never happen for the XBR2.

(In PC-speak, the logic board is your TV's motherboard.)


that sucks, I might've also read it in a sony news article, not sure though... But, I definately read it in one of the SXRD forums, I'm gonna have to look it up and send the link so you can see for yourselves.....
post #1305 of 12039
I went to the sony style store earlier today in roosevelt field mall in long island NY and got a chance to see the A2000 and the XBR2 at the same time, the XBR2 is hands down the better lookin set. It is noticably better off the bat, the same exact thing was on both the tv's and the XBR2 was brighter, sharper, and clearer. Had a better picture and more detail. At 1st all I could notice was how it was definately brighter, then I looked and noticed it had more detail and was sharper, even though it was brighter the blacks were darker than the A2000. Not to say the A2000 is a bad looking tv, just the XBR2 is a better looking tv and not a little better, noticably better. I know which one out of the 2 I'll be getting!!!
post #1306 of 12039
Just heard a nice voicemail from the B&M where I bought my 70" two weeks ago. They were letting me know that Sony had dropped the price on the unit, and so they thought it was only appropriate to send checks to those of us who bought early.

eric
post #1307 of 12039
Has anyone seen a professional review on either set yet? I would have thought Sony Marketing would be working hard to get review units as fast as possible to the reviewers, and the reviewers would be rushing to break the scoop on the new performance.

I know its too early for anything in traditional print, but I would have thought the web postings for at least a few reviews would be up by now?

(As an owner, the only reason I really care is to get additional calibration/settings/service menu hints )

eric
post #1308 of 12039
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Originally Posted by WaveyD4vey View Post

i to went in to this very same frys location in san marcos and i saw the exact same thing...very disturbing to know sony still hasnt been able to nip this one in the bud and more than likely never will...guess ill stick with my "60 XBR1

I'm glad to see someone else confirming what I saw too.
post #1309 of 12039
I'm so glad I saved the 15% off coupon that Ultimate Electronics sent me, They just put the XBR2's on sale & with my 15% off I got the 70" at a killer price, so I went ahead & got a 5 year extended warranty that includes the bulb.

I'm lovin this set but Daamn, I swear it didn't look this big in the store (they had it sitting next to a 60")

I have next week off so I'm going to rewatch some of my favorite DVD's again!
post #1310 of 12039
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Originally Posted by WaveyD4vey View Post

i to went in to this very same frys location in san marcos and i saw the exact same thing...very disturbing to know sony still hasnt been able to nip this one in the bud and more than likely never will...guess ill stick with my "60 XBR1

We do not "know ..."Sony still hasn't been able to nip this one in the bud and more than likely never will...".

The set was described as having a diagonal error (misconvergence?--tilt?) of 1 inch. Ouch. This strongly suggests a damaged set. And it is a sample of 1. I don't think anyone can draw a credible conclusion from this type of data.

KT
post #1311 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Caldor View Post

And has anyone run the HQV or ABT dvd test discs with a setup where the deinterlacing and scaling is being done by the internal Sony bravo engine?

Or any comment on deinterlacing quality?
post #1312 of 12039
Will be receiving my long awaited 60XBR2 tomorrow .... what's the ideal viewing distance? I had been using a 35" Sony Trinitron CRT for the last 7 years at a distance of about 9 feet.... just rearranged my living room for a viewing distance of about 11-12 feet.... any input would be greatly appreciated... thanks, toby
post #1313 of 12039
trob,

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Will be receiving my long awaited 60XBR2 tomorrow .... what's the ideal viewing distance?

Anything under 12 feet would be fine, but the closer the better, particularly if you watch a lot of DVD and HDTV.

Make sure you get the HDTV receiver / DVR from your cable or satellite company.
post #1314 of 12039
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Originally Posted by trobinson71 View Post

Will be receiving my long awaited 60XBR2 tomorrow .... what's the ideal viewing distance? I had been using a 35" Sony Trinitron CRT for the last 7 years at a distance of about 9 feet.... just rearranged my living room for a viewing distance of about 11-12 feet.... any input would be greatly appreciated... thanks, toby


I have the 60" at 11' and came from a large CRT as well. At first the 60 seemed really big and my wife got a headache due to hand held cameras on HD football games. OK, that was day one, now it is perfect and we both love the TV. I still think for me closer than 10' would be too close but there are those that would disagree. You should be just fine. Enjoy.
post #1315 of 12039
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Originally Posted by trobinson71 View Post

Will be receiving my long awaited 60XBR2 tomorrow .... what's the ideal viewing distance? I had been using a 35" Sony Trinitron CRT for the last 7 years at a distance of about 9 feet.... just rearranged my living room for a viewing distance of about 11-12 feet.... any input would be greatly appreciated... thanks, toby

It will seem huge and way bigger than what you viewed in the store and perhaps overwhelming at first going from a 35" but give it a week or so to adjust.

With HD Movies it'll be better than the theater in some cases but my issue was with SD at 8.5' - hopefully they've improved the SD for you on gen2 and being little further back than I was you may be fine. Give it a week or so to get used to it's massiveness and of course if you have an HD DVD player you'll be hooked for sure once you see what it can display up on that 60-70".

Don't forget to count the WoW's That 60" will force from your lips.

Good Luck and Enjoy!
post #1316 of 12039
Just a quick question for 60/70" Owners -

Have any of you tried to move one of these giants up or down a stairway?

My wife is obsessive about their size and simply won't have one in the main viewing area on our main level but I have a loft or a basement but Sony makes these so large that I wonder if anyone has tried to get one up/down a stairway and succeeded?
post #1317 of 12039
Hi-
I just received and set up my 60 "XBR2 this morning - I purchased HDMI cables from Monoprice - Hooking My HD-DVD HDMI out to HDMI input 7 on the TV and my Dish VIP 622 HS DVR to input 8 - I get no pictures on either of these channels, when I hook the component cables into the other inputs on the TV, everything works fine - Is there any secret to enabling the HDMI or did I get a bum set? From what I've read the Monoprice cables are very good - I've tried 2 sets of cables and still no picture of any kind, no messages at all except for the "Video 7
" banner... Any help would be really appreciated ...... Hopefully I wont need to return the set
post #1318 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Jeremybe View Post

Hi-
I just received and set up my 60 "XBR2 this morning - I purchased HDMI cables from Monoprice - Hooking My HD-DVD HDMI out to HDMI input 7 on the TV and my Dish VIP 622 HS DVR to input 8 - I get no pictures on either of these channels, when I hook the component cables into the other inputs on the TV, everything works fine - Is there any secret to enabling the HDMI or did I get a bum set? From what I've read the Monoprice cables are very good - I've tried 2 sets of cables and still no picture of any kind, no messages at all except for the "Video 7
" banner... Any help would be really appreciated ...... Hopefully I wont need to return the set

Well that sucks! You don't have to do anything with your set so I'd check elsewhere first. The first thing I'd do is check these devices and make sure there isn't a setting that tells them to output HDMI (I don't have either of these devices so I don't know). If there isn't then I'd run out and get another HDMI cable (you can always return it later) to test. If THAT doesn't work, I'd call the store and get technical advice and/or an exchange.
post #1319 of 12039
What's the advantage of buying an extended warranty from Sony Direct over someone like BB? And secondly does anyone know if BB is going to sell the XBR2's?
post #1320 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Jeremybe View Post

Hi-
I just received and set up my 60 "XBR2 this morning - I purchased HDMI cables from Monoprice - Hooking My HD-DVD HDMI out to HDMI input 7 on the TV and my Dish VIP 622 HS DVR to input 8 - I get no pictures on either of these channels, when I hook the component cables into the other inputs on the TV, everything works fine - Is there any secret to enabling the HDMI or did I get a bum set? From what I've read the Monoprice cables are very good - I've tried 2 sets of cables and still no picture of any kind, no messages at all except for the "Video 7
" banner... Any help would be really appreciated ...... Hopefully I wont need to return the set

Have you tried putting the Dish through input 7? Thats where mine works fine.
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