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post #181 of 11979
10/3/06 at 8:59am
DVD Freaky,

Do you know if the picture on the 70XBR2 was optomized?
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post #182 of 11979
10/3/06 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by EricBergan View Post

All the scaling/deinterlacing issues are less a concern for me because I have an external scaler (DVDO VP50) which should easily outperform DRC.

Yes, I'd be very interested in what you think with and without the VP50. Although pricey, I think a 70XBR2 + a VP50 would give state-of-the-art PQ in an RPTV.
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post #183 of 11979
10/3/06 at 9:16am
Mixdoctor,

Yes the PTV72 is the right height but unfortunately too wide for my cabinet cavity. But I do like that stand... If someone needs something narrower, the DLP58X works.

BJBBJB
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post #184 of 11979
10/3/06 at 9:21am
This almost goes without saying, but I'll request it anyway

It looks like the previous test using a notebook with possibly limited video capabilities left some doubt concerning the ability of the XBR2 to display a 1080x1920 desktop display. Can some owner with a more capable desktop system with corresponding video card please repeat the test, and show some screen shots? Also, trying to then use the HDMI interface for computer display purposes might be a good next test provided the VGA works...

Robert
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post #185 of 11979
10/3/06 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by Mr. Foo View Post

I still need to do further due diligence on the meaning of these test results vs. use of the different DRC modes (still need to play with the palette settings, per KTTV's prior suggestion, but the wife wanted to watch a movie last night instead of me playing with test patterns).

Mr. Foo,

I believe we could all learn something from your wife
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post #186 of 11979
10/3/06 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by DVD Freaky View Post

Actually, when I was at the SonyStyle Store, a young couple sat down next to me and took a look at the 70XBR2 and then walked over to the 60XBR1 next to it. The girl mentioned to her bf/hubby that the picture on the 60 looked better...which quite honestly, it did.

I just think that when you've got a tv that big...it is inevitable to lose some PQ when compared to similar models in smaller sizes. I mean, before the 60XBR1 came up with all their green glob issues, people were raving about the PQ. I mean for goodness sakes, didn't it win all kinds of awards?

I had just figured that for 1080p, DRC 2.5, etc...the set was going to look absolutely incredible. In some cases...it does....but you have to give the sucker an absolute pristine Blu-Ray source or a very clean, strong HD signal. Anything less will show flaws and noise, IMO more strongly and more glaringly than models like the XBR1. I do admit, however, that I did not do all the DRC tweaking, etc, that was recommended here. ......

On assessing image quality in stores.

There is no way you can easily judge the picture quality of these sets (any set) in the store.

You can do it if you take known sources -like take along a HD Tivo with stored segments of shows you are use to watching (I did this -by testing an 006 and a XBR1 -before I purchased my XBR1). And you must have some experience with the brand and model of the set you are testing so that you can set it up correctly before you begin your in store test. If you do not do these things the image you see will when you walk in any store will mean nothing.

Are you aware that Sony Style stores routinely run the XBR sets with their Blue Ray demo using the Vivid Mode.. and often do not want to let you modify the settings. This is understandable but in no way should you infer from these demos what the set is capable of.

Also, any comments on picture quality must come from someone who has some experience in looking at high quality broadcast and Home Theater images. Certainly not from random peoples comments in stores.

I think you must take these observations and comments by random people in stores who make quick uneducated opservations (and for that matter salespeople) with more than a few grains of salt. In my opinion -More to the point -in general you have to ignore them.

KT
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post #187 of 11979
10/3/06 at 9:53am
I would like to hear more comparisons between the XBR1 & the XBR2.

Please...?
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post #188 of 11979
10/3/06 at 10:15am
Hi guy's, congratulations! I have a couple of questions for the new owner's.

Are the Component Input's capable of 1080p? (For the Xbox 360 crowd)

How is gaming on this set any lag? I know that the SONY KD-SR50XBR1 was listed as laggy, on the IGN The HDTV-Gaming-Lag Report.

Will this set allow for DD 5.1 pass-through?

I have so many questions to ask I don't know where to start! I so wish I could see this TV in person (or have it in my living room in time for BSG S3). Here north of the 49' they are saying it won't be in stores until the 15 of October.


Thank you,


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post #189 of 11979
10/3/06 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Mr. Foo View Post

Well, I have seen several comments here about screen reflectivity of the Qualia's (too much) and there have already been comments about the XBR2's working really well in highly lit rooms (not an issue for me because mine is in the basement).

If you plan on using in a room with a lot of sunlight, you might want to consider the XBR2.

I heard and have seen that issue in person, I ran to local store at lunch today to check if any new xbr2s were setup. So instead i viewed the q 006.

Since i work during the day, have to pay for toys some way right haha, viewing during the day isn't such an issue for me.

MI
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post #190 of 11979
10/3/06 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by EricBergan View Post

One other possible explanation for the lower rate of raves so far is that there is a tremendous amount of settings that can be adjusted just in the user settings (without going into service mode), per input. (For instance, complete independent gain control on R, G, and B.) So its going to take a while to play with the set to optimize the set for your environment. And if you're like me, you have to tweak something, then actually watch it for awhile to decide if that was a good tweak or a bad tweak, not just try the setting, look at the picture, and walk on to the next one.

In my case, add in the complexity of configuring the external scaler as well, and I see weeks of tweaking ahead. (Should drive my wife crazy...)


Exactly, with all of the setting available it takes a couple of days of day/night viewing to dial in the right settings, but now that I have I believe that is is the finest set I have seen (other than the Q006) and if you have read the first page of this thread you would know I have had quite a few sets in the years past.
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post #191 of 11979
10/3/06 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

Exactly, with all of the setting available it takes a couple of days of day/night viewing to dial in the right settings, but now that I have I believe that is is the finest set I have seen (other than the Q006) and if you have read the first page of this thread you would know I have had quite a few sets in the years past.

So how is it compared to your XBR1? VERY CURIOUS!
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post #192 of 11979
10/3/06 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

So how is it compared to your XBR1? VERY CURIOUS!


Compared to the XBR1, and this is rough because of the size difference(50"vs70"), I would say the XBR2 has less noise, better blacks and a little better color. It also seems like the screen is a little better, translating to less SSE.
Overall just more refined, not night and day but better overall.
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post #193 of 11979
10/3/06 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by Mixdoctor View Post

Compared to the XBR1, and this is rough because of the size difference(50"vs70"), I would say the XBR2 has less noise, better blacks and a little better color. It also seems like the screen is a little better, translating to less SSE.
Overall just more refined, not night and day but better overall.

Thanks...I have a 60"XBR1 and could move up to the XBR2, but mine has no flaws so I think I will keep it!
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post #194 of 11979
10/3/06 at 11:44am
I went home at lunch today to take delivery of a 60XBR2. It shipped on 9/29 and was delivered today 10/3....from PA to Orlando,FL. It was originally scheduled for ship date of 10/12 when I ordered it from sonystyle direct. I also can now confirm that the 60XBR2 is not compatible with the SU-GW12 stand. There is a significant amount of material that would have to be removed if one wanted to increase the size of the base opening. I will be attempting return the stand tonight outside of a 30 day return policy with a local store. The standard shipping was a bit below standard. They sent a single individual who could not get it into the house without my help. Also, one strap on the box was broken so we had some difficulty getting it inside. He also would not wait while I opened and turned the unit on. Before I had to go back to work, I did power it up and take a look at an HD signal and it looked great. I cant wait to get home to watch some television this evening. Also, I have contacted local sonystyle store and I am #1 for the first SU-RS51U stand to arrive this week so I will be picking that up over the weekend. I also purchased the DAVFX500 dream system for audio and will be hooking that up also. I will post more after I get a chance to get to the set.
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post #195 of 11979
10/3/06 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by KTTV Images View Post

On assessing image quality in stores.

There is no way you can easily judge the picture quality of these sets (any set) in the store.

You can do it if you take known sources -like take along a HD Tivo with stored segments of shows you are use to watching (I did this -by testing an 006 and a XBR1 -before I purchased my XBR1). And you must have some experience with the brand and model of the set you are testing so that you can set it up correctly before you begin your in store test. If you do not do these things the image you see will when you walk in any store will mean nothing.

Are you aware that Sony Style stores routinely run the XBR sets with their Blue Ray demo using the Vivid Mode.. and often do not want to let you modify the settings. This is understandable but in no way should you infer from these demos what the set is capable of.

Also, any comments on picture quality must come from someone who has some experience in looking at high quality broadcast and Home Theater images. Certainly not from random peoples comments in stores.

I think you must take these observations and comments by random people in stores who make quick uneducated opservations (and for that matter salespeople) with more than a few grains of salt. In my opinion -More to the point -in general you have to ignore them.

KT

I agree for the most part. Also, picture quality is largely subjective. You may love how a certain picture looks and the next guy may think it's awful. Sometimes it really does stand out and is obvious. Several of us all observed how awful the Flying Daggers Blu-Ray movie looked on the XBR2...SonyStyle Manager named Andre, included.

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post #196 of 11979
10/3/06 at 11:53am
Is there any particular test XBR2 owners can do to see how well the set converts an incoming 1080i or 720p signal to 1080p (the set's native resolution)?
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post #197 of 11979
10/3/06 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by KTTV Images View Post

I like this turn of events because I expect the XBR2 to be a significant improvement --primarily because of the inclusion of a new light Engine redesign.

First, my compliments and appreciation to you - and others - for helping to keep the discussion in this thread on the highest level. Great info and insights.

Has it in fact been determined that the XBR2 SXRD sets do incorporate a new light engine design? I know there had been much pre-release speculation about this, but I didn't know it had actually been confirmed. If so, can you point me toward some documentation describing it?
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post #198 of 11979
10/3/06 at 12:06pm
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Is there any particular test XBR2 owners can do to see how well the set converts an incoming 1080i or 720p signal to 1080p (the set's native resolution)?

Yes, using the resolution tests at www.w6rz.net.

If you have a HD-DVD player, you can also burn the test disk (ISO format) on the above site to a DVD to evaluate the capabilities of your display.
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post #199 of 11979
10/3/06 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by gatorhoops View Post

I went home at lunch today to take delivery of a 60XBR2. It shipped on 9/29 and was delivered today 10/3....from PA to Orlando,FL. It was originally scheduled for ship date of 10/12 when I ordered it from sonystyle direct. I also can now confirm that the 60XBR2 is not compatible with the SU-GW12 stand. There is a significant amount of material that would have to be removed if one wanted to increase the size of the base opening. I will be attempting return the stand tonight outside of a 30 day return policy with a local store. The standard shipping was a bit below standard. They sent a single individual who could not get it into the house without my help. Also, one strap on the box was broken so we had some difficulty getting it inside. He also would not wait while I opened and turned the unit on. Before I had to go back to work, I did power it up and take a look at an HD signal and it looked great. I cant wait to get home to watch some television this evening. Also, I have contacted local sonystyle store and I am #1 for the first SU-RS51U stand to arrive this week so I will be picking that up over the weekend. I also purchased the DAVFX500 dream system for audio and will be hooking that up also. I will post more after I get a chance to get to the set.

Hi gatorloops,

Can you please measure the base(pedestal) of the 60xbr2. How deep is it? I needed to know if it will fit on a stand that is 19" deep.

Thanks in advance.
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post #200 of 11979
10/3/06 at 12:28pm
Since some people say the Nintendo Gamecube doesn't look that great on 60" 1080p TV's, does that mean the Wii, being only 480p will look terrible as well?
Or does it just depend on the connection?
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post #201 of 11979
10/3/06 at 12:37pm
Hey gatorhoops. Can you or anyone else who has a 60" XBR2 please post some pictures of the front? Im not so sure, but im just wondering if the new 60"XBR2 has less of a space between the dumbo ears and the actual TV. It's because my mom wants to know. She seems to like the dumbo ears, and especially how there's a good space between the actual TV and the mounted speakers.

Thanks!

Brett
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post #202 of 11979
10/3/06 at 2:07pm
xbr2 60"

xbox/TV/windows...

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2...0306005vx2.jpg

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5...0306007vq6.jpg

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HL2 on it
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http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5...0306017mh8.jpg

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http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/658...0306014kx8.jpg

all at 1920 1080 16:9
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post #203 of 11979
10/3/06 at 2:10pm
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http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2...0306005vx2.jpg



http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5...0306007vq6.jpg



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what are we looking at here?
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post #204 of 11979
10/3/06 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by HDTV5.1 View Post

what are we looking at here?

shots from the world's first digital camera....
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post #205 of 11979
10/3/06 at 2:28pm
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Originally Posted by thrang View Post

shots from the world's first digital camera....

yes it sucks...cell phone camera...must get one :/

anyways thats all windows, xbox (component) - VGA wont go full screen, and normal TV in the xbr2 60
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post #206 of 11979
10/3/06 at 2:37pm
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Originally Posted by priyajeet View Post

yes it sucks...cell phone camera...must get one :/

anyways thats all windows, xbox (component) - VGA wont go full screen, and normal TV in the xbr2 60

thanks - so component is full screen eh?
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post #207 of 11979
10/3/06 at 2:39pm
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Originally Posted by HDTV5.1 View Post

thanks - so component is full screen eh?


aye it is...

Amir in the other section said 1080p via D-Sub will be possoble for the HD DVD drive.
I guess they will be adding more resolutions to it.


for windows it doesnt goto full screen either...there is about 1" each of black bars on the left and right. I have ATi 1900xtx, and I am just sending in 1920 1080 resolution (not the forced 1080p thats listed in CCC)

Also CCC recognizes it as a Sony TV. But I guess thats just the information from the bios.
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post #208 of 11979
10/3/06 at 2:41pm
Does anyone know if I will be able to get full screen from my mac DVI to HDMI into the XBR2?
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post #209 of 11979
10/3/06 at 2:42pm
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Originally Posted by BIG KAHANA View Post

Does anyone know if I will be able to get full screen from my mac DVI to HDMI into the XBR2?


yes thats what I am using with

1] My comcast cable box (however i did get a HDCP protection error for a bit - but then it went away)

2] my PC DVi to HDMI on the TV for windows
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post #210 of 11979
10/3/06 at 2:47pm
hi priyajeet,

firstly, congrats on the tv, cant wait till mine comes in. can you please measure the dimensions of the pedestal on your 60 xbr2? how deep is it? would 19" deep be enough?

Thanx
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