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post #211 of 12039
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Originally Posted by jstenuf View Post

I am with you. I have a 35 pound center channel so the Omnimount is out. I am looking for a 8 to 9 inch high center channel stand because the shelf on the 15 inch high stand is to close to the floor. I want a TV stand that is only 68"wide (70 without speakers) and 15" high with casters. I spent enough time drooling while sitting in front of a Qualia, on a Sony stand, to know that the 15 inch height is almost ideal.

So you'd put your center speaker on this speaker stand in front of the tv stand?

From the drawings in the Sony manual I calculate height of the bottom shelf from the floor to be 3 9/16, and the top of the interior space to be 13 7/16 inches from the floor. (To get these numbers from the drawing I have to make the pretty good assumption that the top and bottom shelves are the same thickness 2 1/16" but all the other measurements are there.)

Note that the SURS51U has a pedestal base 1.5" high that can't be seen in any of the pictures but is very clearly present in the measured drawings.

This means I can get my 6" high speaker 7 inches from the floor, with almost 1/2" of clearence on top of it. What's your opinion of that? It's almost the 8 inches you're looking for.

Any general comments on minimum height from the floor of a center speaker and the clearence on sides and top when placed in a stand (like the SURS51U) underneath the TV?
post #212 of 12039
so i would not be able to get full screen?
I think it must be your graphics card that does not enable the full screen?
post #213 of 12039
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Originally Posted by priyajeet View Post

xbr2 60"

xbox/TV/windows...

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/2...0306005vx2.jpg

all at 1920 1080 16:9

Are those images from an XBOX 360 or regular XBOX?
post #214 of 12039
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Originally Posted by DVD Freaky View Post

I agree for the most part. Also, picture quality is largely subjective. You may love how a certain picture looks and the next guy may think it's awful. Sometimes it really does stand out and is obvious. Several of us all observed how awful the Flying Daggers Blu-Ray movie looked on the XBR2...SonyStyle Manager named Andre, included.


Yes, I have seen the Flying Dragons demo and the problem is not the set -it is Blue Ray-at least in my opinion.

KT
post #215 of 12039
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Originally Posted by gatorhoops View Post

I went home at lunch today to take delivery of a 60XBR2. It shipped on 9/29 and was delivered today 10/3....from PA to Orlando,FL. It was originally scheduled for ship date of 10/12 when I ordered it from sonystyle direct. I also can now confirm that the 60XBR2 is not compatible with the SU-GW12 stand. There is a significant amount of material that would have to be removed if one wanted to increase the size of the base opening. I will be attempting return the stand tonight outside of a 30 day return policy with a local store. The standard shipping was a bit below standard. They sent a single individual who could not get it into the house without my help. Also, one strap on the box was broken so we had some difficulty getting it inside. He also would not wait while I opened and turned the unit on. Before I had to go back to work, I did power it up and take a look at an HD signal and it looked great. I cant wait to get home to watch some television this evening. Also, I have contacted local sonystyle store and I am #1 for the first SU-RS51U stand to arrive this week so I will be picking that up over the weekend. I also purchased the DAVFX500 dream system for audio and will be hooking that up also. I will post more after I get a chance to get to the set.

Thanks for confirming-in person -so to speak -all the reports that the stand and the XBR2 60 inch are not compatible. I have already made a 1 inch thick plug to fit into the stand and plan to set the 60 inch right on top of the plugged top surface- and SS front trim. A new stand is not an option for me.
Good luck with your new 2.

KT
post #216 of 12039
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Originally Posted by KTTV Images View Post

Thanks for confirming-in person -so to speak -all the reports that the stand and the XBR2 60 inch are not compatible. I have already made a 1 inch thick plug to fit into the stand and plan to set the 60 inch right on top of the plugged top surface- and SS front trim. A new stand is not an option for me.
Good luck with your new 2.

KT

OR do what I did -
LL
post #217 of 12039
I just received my 60 inch xbr2.... does anyone who "owns" and has "knowledge" of system settings on an xbr2 want to post their settings in hd, sd, and hdmi dvd player? It would be greatly appreciated.

I'm getting a little frustrated....seems to me that my xbr1 had a better picture, thats why i want to see someone post their settings. The xbr2 seems to have more noise in the picture then the xbr1

I'm also a big hd espn fan, so if you watch a lot of sports in hd, that would be more of my intrest for the settings

Thank you
post #218 of 12039
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Originally Posted by mgaurelio View Post

I just received my 60 inch xbr2.... does anyone who "owns" and has "knowledge" of system settings on an xbr2 want to post their settings in hd, sd, and hdmi dvd player? It would be greatly appreciated.

I'm getting a little frustrated....seems to me that my xbr1 had a better picture, thats why i want to see someone post their settings. The xbr2 seems to have more noise in the picture then the xbr1

I'm also a big hd espn fan, so if you watch a lot of sports in hd, that would be more of my intrest for the settings

Thank you

How did you end up with the XBR2?
post #219 of 12039
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Originally Posted by KTTV Images View Post

I have seen the Flying Dragons demo and the problem is not the set -it is Blue Ray-at least in my opinion.

KT

Completely agree. After 'Daggers' dissapointed, the terrific picture of 'Crash'on Blu-Ray made it clear that the 'Daggers' disc was probably a poor transfer. And by the way, I made sure they turned down the volume on 'Crash'...with all the cursing, etc. I am not so worried about 1080p inputs on the set, as it is very clear that they have the ability to shine.

I am actually more curious about how HD signals (both via satellite and cable) look on this set, as everything is converted to the native 1080p resolution. At least from my initial vantage point, the HD image (from DiscoveryHD and ESPN2HD) looked crisper on the 60XBR1 which was right next to it. This could be due to the reduction in size and a host of other factors that I did not or could not control.

Any XBR2 owners, please post your reactions to how incoming HD looks via satellite or cable. Thanks in advance.
post #220 of 12039
mgaurelio...check your private messages....sent you one.
post #221 of 12039
Had the infamous green blob on my xbr1, so sony replaced for free
post #222 of 12039
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Originally Posted by audiomixer View Post

How did you end up with the XBR2?


Sorry, new to the forum..... green blob appeared on my xbr1, so sony replaced the t.v. with xbr2
post #223 of 12039
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Originally Posted by DVD Freaky View Post

Is there any particular test XBR2 owners can do to see how well the set converts an incoming 1080i or 720p signal to 1080p (the set's native resolution)?

Yes there is a way for anyone to test for proper Video deinterlacing:

To judge if Video (not film) deinterlacing appears to be Pixel based or Regional based motion adaptive (the good type sometimes called "Weave") - look at Jay Leno's Tonight show. Look for shots where the camera is not moving but Leno is moving, talking for example, in the Monolog. Look to see if you see any changes in sharpness or resolution in any of the buildings, set background set as he talks.

If the TV set is using the poorer " Bob" style Video deinterlacing the whole -full- screen image will suddenly shift in sharpness from sharp when he is not moving to soft when he does move. This is called pumping. If Pixel or regional based, the only softening will be on or near those pixels that move--Leno himself.
Now, because the Mpeg compression system assigns less bits to encode a moving object -such softening will occur anyway on the moving part of the image only - but generally his movements should look natural.
The XBR1 has been confirmed to use some type of Pixel based or Regional based deinterlacing by a Magazine early this year.

Look for this to be done correctly on your XBR2. I give the chance it is not done correctly 2 chances: 0 and none.

KT

Edited Oct.4 10:02 PM to modify pixel based deinterlacing to read- Pixel based or Regional based deinterlacing. Also corrected reference to XBR2 near the end -should have been XBR1.
post #224 of 12039
Seriously, if I was an A2000 owner, I would not want to read this thread. The XBR2 is what every A2000 owner wish Sony had put into the A2000. If the A2000 had the same quality as the XBR1, then it would be much harder to justify the XBR2. This thread will really get interesting when the calibrators chime in...I can't wait!

Hopefully, I get to see these 2 sets side by side to make a good comparison with my own eyes. My gut is telling me that XBR2 will be in my home very soon.
post #225 of 12039
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Originally Posted by DVD Freaky View Post

Are those images from an XBOX 360 or regular XBOX?


sorry, its the 360...i have an habit of calling it an xbox
post #226 of 12039
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Originally Posted by BeepBeep6262 View Post

Has anyone found any wooden stands they plan on using the the XBR2? Gray or black's not gonna fly...


yes, i have a wood stand from circuit city
post #227 of 12039
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Originally Posted by BuTal63 View Post

First, my compliments and appreciation to you - and others - for helping to keep the discussion in this thread on the highest level. Great info and insights.

Has it in fact been determined that the XBR2 SXRD sets do incorporate a new light engine design? I know there had been much pre-release speculation about this, but I didn't know it had actually been confirmed. If so, can you point me toward some documentation describing it?

There is no hard evidence I know of - but I believe they do have new light engines for 2 reasons:

1. They have changed to a new 180 watt bulb because of the need for greater light levels in the 70 inch set. Heat considerations imply change other than just the bulb power.

2. They have used the 180 watt lamp in the 60 inch XBR2 where they could have used the entire old 120 watt setup from the XBR1. Why did they use the same higher powered Lamp -and the same base as the 70 inch (same base dimensions) unless the "new" Light engine is a better alternative?

Note -It is for this reason that I speculate that the new XBR2's may have less of the XBR1 and a2000 field problems we see in the Forums.

KT
post #228 of 12039
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Originally Posted by gatorhoops View Post

I went home at lunch today to take delivery of a 60XBR2. It shipped on 9/29 and was delivered today 10/3....from PA to Orlando,FL. It was originally scheduled for ship date of 10/12 when I ordered it from sonystyle direct.

Not directed at you, but... WTF? I ordered my 70" six weeks ago from Sonystyle and, with "premiere white glove delivery", it supposedly shipped two weeks ago on the 21st, making me the first person here to get a shipping notice, and apparently I'll be lucky if it's delivered by next Monday the 9th. Howcome they sent yours last Friday and you have it three business days later?

This is such BS. I'm never ordering from Sony again.
post #229 of 12039
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Originally Posted by DVD Freaky View Post

.....At least from my initial vantage point, the HD image (from DiscoveryHD and ESPN2HD) looked crisper on the 60XBR1 which was right next to it. This could be due to the reduction in size and a host of other factors that I did not or could not control.

.

There are no less than 4 distinctly different well misuderstood sharpness controls on the XBR1 and XBR2. Some of these go completely "south" when Vivid mode is used (as it is in Sony Style store for example).

Again, Good luck on any chance for conclusions on picture quality and sharpness etc. when coming upon any given set in the stores.

KT
post #230 of 12039
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Originally Posted by MI_CT View Post

Has anyone been able to compare side by side the Q 006 to the 70" XBR2? I ask because i can get a floor model Q 006 for 6K, maybe less if I wait longer. Im curious which would be a better TV.

Thnks,
MI


I haven't, haven't even seen the tv.... But, however, I did see the Q 006 for $5,000 in the sonystyle store in roosevelt field mall in long island.....
post #231 of 12039
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Originally Posted by funkfunk View Post

Seriously, if I was an A2000 owner, I would not want to read this thread. The XBR2 is what every A2000 owner wish Sony had put into the A2000. If the A2000 had the same quality as the XBR1, then it would be much harder to justify the XBR2. This thread will really get interesting when the calibrators chime in...I can't wait!

Hopefully, I get to see these 2 sets side by side to make a good comparison with my own eyes. My gut is telling me that XBR2 will be in my home very soon.

I agree, with the A2000 people noticed differences after ISF calibrations, but videophiles seemed to be able to do a good job on their own of getting a decent picture out of that set in a very short amount of time. From what some of the owners (thread starter Mixdoctor) are saying, all of the settings on this tv can be a little overwhelming at first. Might take a while until we know how good the picture can be.
post #232 of 12039
I did some more digging, and found the following quote from Josh at DVDO in the VP50 thread:

The new Sony non-XBR SXRD sets do accept 1080p@60Hz on the HDMI input and allow 1:1. The likelihood that they would not allow this on the XBRs is very low. Additionally, these two specs (from the Sony website) all but confirm this:

-Full HD 1920x1080 native SXRD panel resolution
-1080p input resolution through HDMI connection
post #233 of 12039
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Originally Posted by mgaurelio View Post

yes, i have a wood stand from circuit city

mgaurelio - I'm sure you're way too busy right now, but I'd really appreciate a shoot of your stand (and set of course ) when you get a chance.
post #234 of 12039
After reading most of these postings during lunch today, I decided to pass by my local Best Buy.
In their computer section they have a 60" Samsung DLP rear projection TV, with Windows Media Center running from a computer and internet . I sat down to play with it a little and it covers the entire screen, height and width with no Black bars. I am still very surprised that Sony's 60" / 70" SXRD XRB2's wont do the same? Can anyone confirm if they attempted to put their desktop on the screen using a Media Center computer?
I would think these computers are built with the intention of being used on large screens and would fill them up. I understand the black bars being there when used with either an old computer or non Media Center.

Any latest attempts to get full screen image from computer?

I also saw the new Sony KDL46XBR2 LCD...wow..HOT! They also had this with Media Center connected, it also took up the entire screen.


P.S
I'm sorry but was really excited when i got their to make note of the resolution or how the computer was out putting the source e.g. HDMI or not?

Thanks,
Tony
post #235 of 12039
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Originally Posted by CeeBoogie View Post

I haven't, haven't even seen the tv.... But, however, I did see the Q 006 for $5,000 in the sonystyle store in roosevelt field mall in long island.....

The Qualia thread is one of the few I can remember where owners had very little to complain about. And that is after paying out some serious cash. If you can control lighting in your room I would jump on that price in heartbeat. I have not heard of one green blob complaint from a Qualia owner.
post #236 of 12039
Hmmm... just got back from a store that had the A2000 and one of their last XBR1 's on display. They had an open box A2000 and the XBR1 for very reasonable prices. Is it worth the extra for the XBR2?

I won't jump on the A2000 either way but the price on the XB1 is good (3100). Any suggestions?
post #237 of 12039
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Originally Posted by funkfunk View Post

Seriously, if I was an A2000 owner, I would not want to read this thread. The XBR2 is what every A2000 owner wish Sony had put into the A2000. If the A2000 had the same quality as the XBR1, then it would be much harder to justify the XBR2. This thread will really get interesting when the calibrators chime in...I can't wait!

Hopefully, I get to see these 2 sets side by side to make a good comparison with my own eyes. My gut is telling me that XBR2 will be in my home very soon.


The A2000 owners are feeling great right now....... It doesn't look like the xbr2 provides twice the pq at twice the price.
post #238 of 12039
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Originally Posted by BeepBeep6262 View Post

Hmmm... just got back from a store that had the A2000 and one of their last XBR1 's on display. They had an open box A2000 and the XBR1 for very reasonable prices. Is it worth the extra for the XBR2?

I won't jump on the A2000 either way but the price on the XB1 is good (3100). Any suggestions?


Personaly I wouldnt do it. However you can always buy the XBR1. Pray it turn's green and get a free XBR2 !!!


Dresden
post #239 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Dresden View Post

Personaly I wouldnt do it. However you can always buy the XBR1. Pray it turn's green and get a free XBR2 !!!


Dresden


Haha theres an idea... Actually I temporarily forgot about the XBR1 lacking 1080p so that more than sways my decision. All I know is that football season is getting shorter by the day (go eagles), I hope TTW gets their XBR2's back for sale!
post #240 of 12039
As it looks now, no one seems to beleive that there is a "huge" difference in PQ in the XBR1 or A2000 vs. the XBR2. Does anyone think that the real improvement or lack there of is due to Sony NOT inserting a HDMI 1.3 compatible chip which allows for deeper and many more colors along with improved picture quality as they claim this change with bring?
I think this is where the most noticible change will take place when comparing these 2 models and a newer one next year with new and improved HD DVD players or Blue Ray.

The XBR1 did wonders for the rear projection world (besdies the Green Monsters) when introduced. It was new, offered break through technology that other companies didn't have yet, and offered a much better PQ compared to what we were all used to.
With every new model comes new features and slight improvements, however i don't think that this years Sony XRB2 brings a new level in rear projection technology to the table as it did last year and we may not see very obvious changes posibly for the next few years until something new and amazing is developed.
I read about 1080p will possibly get replaced with 1440p but that I'm sure wont be very soon.

Just my thoughts...
Tony
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