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post #421 of 12039
dont own one yet , myself, but dont we need an owners only thread?

so we can get right down to the guts of this thing
post #422 of 12039
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Originally Posted by strutter View Post

dont own one yet , myself, but dont we need an owners only thread?

so we can get right down to the guts of this thing

Yes, but this is usually how it works until those of us who preordered all actually get the set.
post #423 of 12039
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Originally Posted by pbmpharmacist View Post

Well I got a call from Tweeter and I'll all set for Oct 14th now.

My 70XBR2 arrived in the Tweeter store (Cary, NC) today! Have to go by to pay for it (ouch), but will arrange 18 months interest free payment. Earliest I can be off work for deliverty will be Friday the 13th--wish me luck!
post #424 of 12039
One solution to placing the center channel above the TV would be to hang it from the ceiling using picture wire or decorative chain.
post #425 of 12039
On possibility of 24p capability of XBR2;

In an earlier post I stated I saw some test behavior with the test files used by Mr Foo that suggested the XBR2 might work with 1080 24 p inputs and asked for help in seeing if the test was in fact a valid test.

I have just been able to determine the test and therefore my test results for 24p are invalid .
The referenced thread below was started by the creator of the tests, He recently looked into this on his own, and reported findng that the authoring software used to generate the final files transformed the test from 1080 24p to 29.75 p. Therefore his finding makes it clear that the test disk can not be used for 24p tests.

I have edited my earlier post to Mr. Foo, on this forum, to reflect this finding. To be clear: There is now no indication of 1080 24p capability for the XBR2. But we can dream.

Information on this test can be found in the creators thread here: post # 38 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...=1#post8597958

KT
post #426 of 12039
Short story: my 70XBR2 arrived at my dealer in Oshawa Canada yesterday (Thursday). When the truck was opened the TV carton was upset, a strap having broken, and there was a hole in the carton. My dealer refused the delivery (driver not happy apparently) and another TV was shipped and received today. I went down to pat the box and confirm timing for the stand. Supposed to arrive next Friday the 13th. Good thing I'm not superstitious.
post #427 of 12039
The cable guy was here a couple of hours ago. You can firmly put me in the WOW! column. I may get more discerning (jaded?) over time, but for now, [explitive] unbelieveable! No regrets from this 70xbr2 owner.
post #428 of 12039
Mark me as also in the WOW! category, my 70" came today. I'm feeding it at 1080p from a VP-50, so turned off all the DRC and other enhancements in the set.

The VP-50 generates test patterns, so a few observations out of the box. I'm definitely getting 1:1 pixel mapping. But, I'm seeing about 6-7% horizontal overscan, and about 4-5% vertical overscan. Are others seeing this, as well?

I can correct that in the VP 50, but then I lose the 1:1 mapping, so not sure what I'm going to settle on there. (Anyone know if the service menu or service manual allows adjustment of the optical overscan?)

On the picture, it defaults to Vivid, so immediately went to custom, and had to change brightness from default 50 to ~65, they definitely had the whites blooming. Picture (contrast) defaults at max, and that's where I left it. The colors still look a little hot, but I'll play with that later.

Anyone figured out the interactions/trade-offs between the power saving, dynamic iris, and brightness/contrast settings? I would think they would have overlapping effects. Right now, I've got power saving on auto, and the iris on Auto 2. Also, could one of these be used to simply adjust for daytime/night time viewing?

Still, for the minimal adjustments I've made so far, it is already one of the best HD pictures I've seen from any form of display of comparable size. I'm looking forward to comparing notes with others on how to tweak the last little bit out of it. Also curious what ISF calibration can do for these sets.

Enough for now - time to go enjoy some HD!

eric
post #429 of 12039
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Originally Posted by KTTV Images View Post

On possibility of 24p capability of XBR2;

I have edited my earlier post to Mr. Foo, on this forum, to reflect this finding. To be clear: There is now no indication of 1080 24p capability for the XBR2. But we can dream.
KT

Are you saying the XBR2 will not accept a 24p signal?

No indication as of now. So is there a chance that it still might accept a 24p signal.

Or will we have to wait for one of the new players before we will find out?


Thanks,
post #430 of 12039
The XBR2 does not accept a 24p signal. Not that it would matter anyway, since the XBR2 doesn't support 48hz or 72hz refresh rates.

Look for that functionality in the XBR3.
post #431 of 12039
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Originally Posted by Thebarnman View Post

Are you saying the XBR2 will not accept a 24p signal?

No indication as of now. So is there a chance that it still might accept a 24p signal.

Or will we have to wait for one of the new players before we will find out?


Thanks,

That's right there is no chance.

KT
post #432 of 12039
Ok you KDS-R**XBR2 owner's do you notice any diffrence with the KDS-R** XBR2 Wega Engine HD compared to the KDS-**A2000 Wega Engine? or how does it compare to the KDS-R**XBR1 Wega Engine HD? Is it all just marketing bs and they are actually the same engine and they just not telling us. ie: the Samsung HLS 8 bit/10bit line with the 87/88's?

I know a few of you were X-A2000/XBR1 owner's and have returned your A2000/XBR1 rentals

Personally I hope the KDS-R**XBR2 Wega Engine HD is what help's resolves the green blob issue, it just doesnt say's it's diffrent then the XBR1 Wega Engine HD.

Wish someone took one of these puppies apart and gave us some feedback like the calib's in the Sammy HLS Owner's forum.

For all we know it's the same!

If I am not making sense it's the Shiraz!

BTW Saw the Body Works 3 show tonight! AMAZING!!!


Dresden
post #433 of 12039
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

The XBR2 does not accept a 24p signal. Not that it would matter anyway, since the XBR2 doesn't support 48hz or 72hz refresh rates.

Look for that functionality in the XBR3.

Anybody with news/rumors regarding 70xbr3??

Hopefully - Sony will release some official news by CES 2007
post #434 of 12039
I have plans for a stand that I built to fit the XBR2 I just can't publish the URL until my post count is 5....
post #435 of 12039
...if anyone is interested I'll post the link to my earthlink homepage...
post #436 of 12039
post #437 of 12039
Here are the plans for the stand below. Next week the XBR2 60" will be sitting on top...and now I have the right post count.
http://home.earthlink.net/~kingjahrome/TV%20Stand.htm

post #438 of 12039
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

The XBR2 does not accept a 24p signal. Not that it would matter anyway, since the XBR2 doesn't support 48hz or 72hz refresh rates.

Look for that functionality in the XBR3.

Thanks.

I understand why a 24p signal might look better.

However, can any real world difference (if any) be seen between two sets where one can accept a 24p signal to one that cannot? If so, what would the real difference be?


Thanks,
post #439 of 12039
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Originally Posted by TAGATAYA View Post

I picked up my 70XBR2 on Monday. Thanks BJBBJB, MIXDOCTOR, Mr. FOO and many others for your early comments on the set. I brought the set home and it just barely fit in my 8 ft. pickup bed. The box is huge. I got a lot of comments before it even was out of the box. If you have a chance, pick it up yourself. It was all part of the fun. Neighbors were showing up to offer help to unload it without even asking. Pulling the top off the box and seeing the set was exciting, I was laughing at how huge it looked. It is such a cool set. At first, I was planning on the 60XBR2, which is good size, but decided to spend a bit more and go for the 70. After I had it set up, I was really happy that I went for the 70, without a doubt. It fit better than expected, and is just incredible. I suppose I could list a lot of details about what I like about the set, and there are a lot to list. But, rather than go into great detail (there is so much on this thread already), I will just say that I am one satisfied Sony customer. This TV is just amazing in HD! It is so clear that it is almost ridiculous. The color is beautiful, and the blacks are solid black. SD at this size is real good too. I love the features and ability to fine tune the set. One nice feature is the TV Guide, it can be customized and used in place of a set top box. I've got a Cablecard hooked up and this saves me another monthly fee for a set top box. So, for those who are thinking about this set and trying to decide if it is worth it...it is worth it. I was watching the Tigers the other day and thought I should be paying for the best seat in the house, and then realized I was in the house! The set itself is great looking, it looks very mod. I like it with the speakers. By the way, I got it to fit nicely on the SUGW12 stand with a little bit of handy work (screwdriver and dremel cutting tool needed). It looks great on this stand and I can slide it around easily with the stand on those little plastic slider things. I am totally happy that I bought the 70XBR2, I spent a lot of time researching the last several months and now I know that I made the right choice. If you don't see me posting very often from here on out, it's because I am just enjoying the new set.

I thought you were going to buy the Sammy 7178!
post #440 of 12039
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Originally Posted by bfdtv View Post

The XBR2 does not accept a 24p signal. Not that it would matter anyway, since the XBR2 doesn't support 48hz or 72hz refresh rates.

While I think it's likely you're right, I do have to ask if that's based on an actual attempt to get an XBR2 to sync to 48 or 72. I know the manual lists no such rates, but that may just mean they don't want you trying. The VGA inputs can sync to 70 and 75, so it's physically possible. The firmware probably just locks you out, though.
post #441 of 12039
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Originally Posted by rhlitt View Post

Yes...can you take pics with the stand, and for us slow to learn people, walk us through how to make it look good on the SUGW12 stand. It's probably too late to see just where you did the cuts (unless you took pictures as you did it), but maybe you can draw them on a paper and fax them (?) to those who are interested. If yes, I will PM my fax #. > Thanks!!!

I also would be interested in the sheet metal cutout template and also details on the Dremel tool you used. I have no Dremel experience and the thought of cutting the sheetmetal cover without some real shop tools is a possible spoiler for me .Can you just guide the Dremel by hand cutting along a penciled guide and expect a clean good looking cut? Pictures of the modified cover would be great.

Thanks.
KT
post #442 of 12039
kingjerome. good job thanks for the link
post #443 of 12039
EricBergan:

Thanks for your very timely post. My Lumagen HDP and the 70" XBR2 are not playing well together at 1080P. There are bright red and blue sparkling vertical bands of color on both sides of the screen when I feed the set a 1080P signal. Right side is a very distinct pattern about 10" wide starting 1" from edge of screen. Left side has no distinct pattern but is upto 25" wide at times. The underlieing image is not effected in either color or PQ. The reds and blue alternate from side to side and are like a film over the image. There are no problems if the set is fed either 1080i or 720P. Problem is most visable with a cablebox component feed to the HDP (unwatchable) but is definitely there with a HDMI or DVD feed. I am happy with the set otherwise. Any thoughts or advice from you or others would be appreciated. Thanks
post #444 of 12039
THUDPP--the gratifying solid snap of the last piece of puzzle put into place. My first HT is finally assembled. Much gratitude to all the AVSers out there!!! Couldn't have done it with you.

KDS-R60XBR2, TWC SA 8300HD, Denon 4306, Toshibia HD-A1 DV-DVD, PS2, SVS SBS-01 5.0, SVS Plus 12.3. Room is 14*15*8, two openings, recliners at 5' from screen (yikes), couch at ~11.' Upgrading from 27" Sony xbr crt circa 1997.

Impressions in somewhat random order (sorry no great insights), settings pretty much custom defaults:

1. ESPN HD: I am blown away. Even at 5' it is perfect. Obligatory, unabashed jaw dropping WOW.

2. SD--varies alot, from "hey that's really good" to yick. I suspect I am very insensitive to the pq problems of crt and the pq problems with bad sources now are so different (and magnified by size) that I am acutely aware of them. I anticipate that I will acclimate to them with a bit of time.

3. She is quite huge. Overwhelms the room, makes the subwoofer seem petite. My stand at 21" is slightly too tall as I suspected it would be (had to compromise on this one). I LOVE the viewing experience of the bigger set. The build quality seems solid. The fan is quiet.

4. I am extremely pleased with the UA and documentation. Very clear, intuitive, and slick--visually pleasing menus, etc.

5. 2 set up problems: 1. Auto-program only found 7 channels (cable from wall to "cable in" on STB, "cable out" on STB to "cable in" on SONY. 2. HDCP error going STB HDMI out to Denon to Monitor out to HDMI in on SONY (supposedly a software issue on the STB).

I've got nearly all day today to play if anyone needs pics, measurements etc.
post #445 of 12039
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Originally Posted by toofargone View Post

My stand at 21" is slightly too tall as I suspected it would be (had to compromise on this one).

That worries me a little since my stand is 23.5" high.

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Originally Posted by toofargone View Post

HDCP error going STB HDMI out to Denon to Monitor out to HDMI in on SONY (supposedly a software issue on the STB).

This doesn't worry me at all since it's the STB that's the problem. I've experienced the same exact issue with a Yamaha receiver and a different TV. Just hook the STB directly to the TV via HDMI, the STB to receiver via optical and be done with it.
post #446 of 12039
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Originally Posted by toofargone View Post

THUDPP--the gratifying solid snap of the last piece of puzzle put into place. My first HT is finally assembled. Much gratitude to all the AVSers out there!!! Couldn't have done it with you.

KDS-R60XBR2, TWC SA 8300HD, Denon 4306, Toshibia HD-A1 DV-DVD, PS2, SVS SBS-01 5.0, SVS Plus 12.3. Room is 14*15*8, two openings, recliners at 5' from screen (yikes), couch at ~11.' Upgrading from 27" Sony xbr crt circa 1997.

Impressions in somewhat random order (sorry no great insights), settings pretty much custom defaults:

1. ESPN HD: I am blown away. Even at 5' it is perfect. Obligatory, unabashed jaw dropping WOW.

2. SD--varies alot, from "hey that's really good" to yick. I suspect I am very insensitive to the pq problems of crt and the pq problems with bad sources now are so different (and magnified by size) that I am acutely aware of them. I anticipate that I will acclimate to them with a bit of time.

3. She is quite huge. Overwhelms the room, makes the subwoofer seem petite. My stand at 21" is slightly too tall as I suspected it would be (had to compromise on this one). I LOVE the viewing experience of the bigger set. The build quality seems solid. The fan is quiet.

4. I am extremely pleased with the UA and documentation. Very clear, intuitive, and slick--visually pleasing menus, etc.

5. 2 set up problems: 1. Auto-program only found 7 channels (cable from wall to "cable in" on STB, "cable out" on STB to "cable in" on SONY. 2. HDCP error going STB HDMI out to Denon to Monitor out to HDMI in on SONY (supposedly a software issue on the STB).

I've got nearly all day today to play if anyone needs pics, measurements etc.


Hi toofargone,

I have a 60XBR1 right now which will be replaced by a XBR2 in a couple weeks due to purple blacks and green blob problem. I have a custom built entertainment cabinet with a front cover to hide everything except for the black bezel. Can you take a few measurements of the XBR2 so I can verify if my cover will still work? The main ones I need is the actual size of the screen horizontal and vertical including the black bezel. And then also the distance from the floor to the bottom of the black bezel if the tv were sitting on the floor. Hope that makes sense


Thanks!
post #447 of 12039
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Originally Posted by rhlitt View Post

Yes...can you take pics with the stand, and for us slow to learn people, walk us through how to make it look good on the SUGW12 stand. It's probably too late to see just where you did the cuts (unless you took pictures as you did it), but maybe you can draw them on a paper and fax them (?) to those who are interested. If yes, I will PM my fax #. > Thanks!!!

Ok, Tigers game today, so this is it for my posting this morning...here is the 70XBR2 on the SUGW12 stand (made to fit). This was pretty easy to do. It takes a steady hand to cut the pieces on the front trim, but other than that it is about a 15-20 minute job. Remove the top and then remove the 4 screws underneath holding each side piece. As you can see in the picture, the side pieces are removed. Put the top back on and screw it into place and trim 4cm of each side to fit around the pedestal on the XBR2 (see pics in next post). Use a 400 grit wet sand paper to smooth the cut edges. Pop the trim piece back on (it fits tight) and you're done.
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post #448 of 12039
More pics of XBR2 on the XBR1 stand.
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post #449 of 12039
Good for you TAGATAYA! I wouldn't want to buy another stand either so congrats for making it work for you.
post #450 of 12039
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However, can any real world difference (if any) be seen between two sets where one can accept a 24p signal to one that cannot? If so, what would the real difference be?

No difference. The only benefit of 24p is the display at 48hz or 72hz refresh rates -- exact multiples of 24 frames -- to virtually eliminate judder.

If a set doesn't support 48hz or 72hz refresh rates then 24p has no benefit.
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