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post #4261 of 11970
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Originally Posted by SonyHome View Post

Well the strange thing is when you contact Sony to find out the version of HDMI on the R70XBR2 they will not tell you which version it has. In fact they acted like this was like some top secret information that I shouldn't know at all. So I'm not sure how people have concluded that it has HDMI 1.2a.

here's a pretty good piece on the evolution of hdmi.

http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/articles...part_1_-_a.php
post #4262 of 11970
I just received my 60 xbr2. I was setting it up with it going through the ota stations and had to leave to jump start my son. When I returned, the tv was off. I turned it on and it came up with sound and a flash of picture and then turned off with the power light blinking 4 times, over and over. Sony was called and they said the usual, unplug and plug back in, no help. Technition is to call tomorrow. I thought I would try here to see if others have an easy fix, code, etc. thanks
post #4263 of 11970
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

maybe my math sucks but my calculations show the 70" is about 26.5% larger than the 60" closer to a quarter than a third

All things being equal (aspect ratio & such) a 70" is 7/6ths the size of a 60" on all dimensions (diagonal, length & width). To compare areas, you need to multiply length x width. Thus, a 7/6th length x a 7/6th width = a 49/36th comparative area. For those without calculators, 49/36 = 1.36, or a 36% larger viewing area.
post #4264 of 11970
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Originally Posted by mr. wally View Post

maybe my math sucks but my calculations show the 70" is about 26.5% larger than the 60" closer to a quarter than a third

i used qwick's numbers (1538 for the 60" and a difference of 554" between the two) and i come out with a 36% increase in screen size going from the 60" to the 70". if you came up with different numbers, please let me know. thanks.


note: i posted this before i saw pousevrika's response above.
post #4265 of 11970
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Originally Posted by qwickdraw4 View Post

Circ,
Trust me, I am also not a mathematician but with todays internet sites you can find almost anything to do math for you.

I used this link to determine viewing area

http://www.cavecreations.com/tv2.cgi

As a fraction I believe you are correct that a 70 inch would provide ~ 1/3 more viewing area over a 60 inch. Seems naturally odd seeing as you are only increasing the diagonal dimension by ~1/6.

qwick, i think it's deceiving because of the 16:9 aspect ratio. if the TV was square, i'm thinking that an increase in the diagonal size would have less of an effect, proportionally.
post #4266 of 11970
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Originally Posted by venpra View Post

My entertainment center is configured slightly differently. The bridge actually sits atop the towers and this setup lended itself to the modification that I mentioned in an earlier post. See the pic below:

The modification you made looks good. I guess if I really wanted to do it I could either place supports on the back wall or on the piers themselves if the cost of getting two finished pieces were to be too expensive. I'm thinking that jusr removing the shelf and the top piece will look kind of dorky, but maybe that is just me.
post #4267 of 11970
What an utter load of crap.

Sorry, I'm easily baited by trolls. I never learn...
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I'm sorry that you have had bad experiences with XBR2. Mine is almost 4 weeks old now and I have not seen this green glob you speak of. In fact I have been most impressed with the PQ in HD and Blu-Ray. I watched The Wild & Kingdom of Heaven tonight and both had amazing PQ.
post #4270 of 11970
Those of you using non-HD players, which ones are you using? I'm currently using a Sony upconverting player (DVP-NS75H) that got good reviews, but I also know that the XBR2's scaler and deinterlacer are excellent. My concern is that this player at the very minimum sends 480p over hdmi. I wonder if switching to a player that'll allow 480i over hdmi will allow me even better image quality by letting the tv do the work. Any input would be highly appreciated.
post #4271 of 11970
We are using the NS75H also. We have had it for a week. I have been happy with it so far but I haven't tried to compare it to anything else. My other players are a 480i component only (no hdmi) and an OLD Mitsubishi. This Sony is only a temporary fix until hopefully later this year when Blue Ray becomes more affordable. At a cost of $100, I cant complain too much about the NS75H. It was 1/2 the price of my Toshiba 480i and 1/6 of the price of the Mitsu ($650 back in the day..built like a tank and still works like a charm).
post #4272 of 11970
Is the XBR2's infrared eye still located on the bottom right of the screen?

.....this is the most useless place for a remote eye (XBR1) as the arm of the couch ...or my feet ...or the centerpiece on table is always in the way
post #4273 of 11970
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Originally Posted by sp7128 View Post

Is the XBR2's infrared eye still located on the bottom right of the screen?

.....this is the most useless place for a remote eye (XBR1) as the arm of the couch ...or my feet ...or the centerpiece on table is always in the way

It's not as bad as the one the Xbox 360. You can't send commands off angle to the 360 via remote. You have to be directly infront of the 360 and almost on the same level to get it to respond to commands. My XBR2 never has any problems receiving commands so far.
post #4274 of 11970
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Originally Posted by SNOW MAN View Post

We are using the NS75H also. We have had it for a week. I have been happy with it so far but I haven't tried to compare it to anything else. My other players are a 480i component only (no hdmi) and an OLD Mitsubishi. This Sony is only a temporary fix until hopefully later this year when Blue Ray becomes more affordable. At a cost of $100, I cant complain too much about the NS75H. It was 1/2 the price of my Toshiba 480i and 1/6 of the price of the Mitsu ($650 back in the day..built like a tank and still works like a charm).

The Sony is a fine player. We're also using the same strategy, waiting for BR/HD player prices to drop. I've noticed picture quality to be slightly sharper at 1080i. What's your experience been?
post #4275 of 11970
I have the same problem, except that I don't seem to get any analog channels on the cable side. I've considered hooking the cable to both the cable and the antenna inputs, but that would only let me get to channel 13 in analog.

What I end up doing if I really want twin-view is switching one side to one of the NTSC inputs, and use my SVHS vcr to tune the analog channels.

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Originally Posted by SonyHome View Post

I want to be able to better utilize the Twin View feature on this TV but all my comcast channels (except for 3) through my cablecard are coming through as digital. So I can only watch 3 not very exciting channels on the SD side. I do have the digital package from Comcast but I would have thought that I could still watch none HD channels on one side of the Twin View. Anyone else have this issue? Have you been able to find a work around for this?
post #4276 of 11970
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Originally Posted by jdroh View Post

I have the same problem, except that I don't seem to get any analog channels on the cable side. I've considered hooking the cable to both the cable and the antenna inputs, but that would only let me get to channel 13 in analog.

What I end up doing if I really want twin-view is switching one side to one of the NTSC inputs, and use my SVHS vcr to tune the analog channels.

Do you have comcast? Is this only problems with cablecard? I wonder if using regular set top would fix this? Anyone with Comcast cable with either set top box or cablecard have this same problem?
post #4277 of 11970
New to the board... Read half the A2000 thread and the whole XBR2 thread. Thanks for all the information and input. It greatly helped me make my decision.

We upgraded from a Sony KV-35V35 to the XBR2. At first, I really liked the DLPs but the motion blur was killing me. Not sure if it was the source or the TV but I wasn't interested. Then I was considering the A2000's but the blob potential pushed me to the XBR2.

Incidentally, I saw the blob for the first time on an A2000 at CC last week. The sales person was saying how all the SXRDs have/had this problem. He mentioned the TV with the blob was a relatively new TV because they had to change out the old floor model TV due to the blob. I inquired about blobs on the XBR2 and he wasn't sure. Of course no local retailers had the XBR2 on the floor or even in stock, so I couldn't check it out for myself.

My XBR2 was delivered yesterday. Ordered from Crutchfield. I was leary of e-tailers and mail order companies but Crutchfield has been top notch. Great customer service. They worked with me on a price from a CC web site price glitch. Plus they have the price protection like other retailers. I also purchased their 5 year warranty with one bulb replacement in addition the to free bulb with the TV (Crutch's 5 year is cheaper than CC's 4 year).

I decided to go with Crutch because they worked with me on price, have free tech support, and they cater to their customers. I did shop CC, BB, and Sears but I felt I was training the sales staff more than gather facts and information (which is a testament to the members and information on this forum). It was nice getting to see some sets up close though (the A2000s vs the DLPs).

Anyway about the TV. No blobs or color tint issues that my untrained eyes can see. I did use the Monster HDTV calibration DVD. To my surprise, after making my adjustments and comparing those settings to the tweak thread settings, I was dead on with KTTV recommendations. Not bad...

PS3 hooked up via HDMI is awesome (games and BD). I played Madden and Resistance last light with no lag. Resistance is unbelievable with HDMI.

HD is being pulled in via a Terk indoor antenna. I can't believe we're back to antennas again. The antenna works pretty well. I get a few OTA HD stations. I really hadn't worked that much on the OTA stuff yet. Been too busy with the PS3.

Standard Def is very clear. My SD is with Time Warner through a digital cable DVR box. There is some ghosting off of letters on screen and the cable box TV guide that I'm trying to adjust out. No luck yet.

This week I was in Columbia SC and stopped by Tweeters. I finally got to see an XBR2 (after I had already ordered the TV site unseen) and it looked great. I also was eyeing the Samsung LED. Not bad I must admit. Not nearly as much motion blur on the LED Sammy than on one of the other regular DLP Sammys.

Hopefully this info will be useful to someone who's as lost as I was when I first started HDTV shopping. Good luck to all you shoppers out there. Thanks.

Go Colts!!
post #4278 of 11970
^^ Congrats on your new set and thanks for the write up. My 60" XBR2 should be delivered next week so I'm hoping my experience is as good as yours.

Jim
post #4279 of 11970
lose the terk antenna and get a winegard or terrestrial digital. terk is known to be crap in every mode of antenna they sell. I guarantee you will get more channels with the TD. GO PATRIOTS.
post #4280 of 11970
Does anybody know the exact date of the Sony line show for 2007? Thanks VGW359
post #4281 of 11970
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Originally Posted by sorry colts View Post

New to the board... Read half the A2000 thread and the whole XBR2 thread. Thanks for all the information and input. It greatly helped me make my decision.

We upgraded from a Sony KV-35V35 to the XBR2. At first, I really liked the DLPs but the motion blur was killing me. Not sure if it was the source or the TV but I wasn't interested. Then I was considering the A2000's but the blob potential pushed me to the XBR2.

Incidentally, I saw the blob for the first time on an A2000 at CC last week. The sales person was saying how all the SXRDs have/had this problem. He mentioned the TV with the blob was a relatively new TV because they had to change out the old floor model TV due to the blob. I inquired about blobs on the XBR2 and he wasn't sure. Of course no local retailers had the XBR2 on the floor or even in stock, so I couldn't check it out for myself.

My XBR2 was delivered yesterday. Ordered from Crutchfield. I was leary of e-tailers and mail order companies but Crutchfield has been top notch. Great customer service. They worked with me on a price from a CC web site price glitch. Plus they have the price protection like other retailers. I also purchased their 5 year warranty with one bulb replacement in addition the to free bulb with the TV (Crutch's 5 year is cheaper than CC's 4 year).

I decided to go with Crutch because they worked with me on price, have free tech support, and they cater to their customers. I did shop CC, BB, and Sears but I felt I was training the sales staff more than gather facts and information (which is a testament to the members and information on this forum). It was nice getting to see some sets up close though (the A2000s vs the DLPs).

Anyway about the TV. No blobs or color tint issues that my untrained eyes can see. I did use the Monster HDTV calibration DVD. To my surprise, after making my adjustments and comparing those settings to the tweak thread settings, I was dead on with KTTV recommendations. Not bad...

PS3 hooked up via HDMI is awesome (games and BD). I played Madden and Resistance last light with no lag. Resistance is unbelievable with HDMI.

HD is being pulled in via a Terk indoor antenna. I can't believe we're back to antennas again. The antenna works pretty well. I get a few OTA HD stations. I really hadn't worked that much on the OTA stuff yet. Been too busy with the PS3.

Standard Def is very clear. My SD is with Time Warner through a digital cable DVR box. There is some ghosting off of letters on screen and the cable box TV guide that I'm trying to adjust out. No luck yet.

This week I was in Columbia SC and stopped by Tweeters. I finally got to see an XBR2 (after I had already ordered the TV site unseen) and it looked great. I also was eyeing the Samsung LED. Not bad I must admit. Not nearly as much motion blur on the LED Sammy than on one of the other regular DLP Sammys.

Hopefully this info will be useful to someone who's as lost as I was when I first started HDTV shopping. Good luck to all you shoppers out there. Thanks.

Go Colts!!


I just got mine as well and am waiting for the high def signal from Comcast on WEd but got the Sony 75H DVD and watched a few last night and was extremely happy. Does anyone have the link again to the tweek thread with the KTTV settings. I would like to get my SXRD looking its best. Pirates of The Carribean looked awesome last night.
post #4282 of 11970
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Originally Posted by brownchiro View Post

I just received my 60 xbr2. I was setting it up with it going through the ota stations and had to leave to jump start my son. When I returned, the tv was off. I turned it on and it came up with sound and a flash of picture and then turned off with the power light blinking 4 times, over and over. Sony was called and they said the usual, unplug and plug back in, no help. Technition is to call tomorrow. I thought I would try here to see if others have an easy fix, code, etc. thanks

From the XBR1 Service Manual, XBR2 should be the same:

Number of times POWER/STANDBY indicator blinks - 4 times
Diagnosis Item - Fan stopped

- Fan 1-4 power is not supplied. (AGU board)
- Fan connector is not attached securely.
- Fan caught wires or harnesses.

post #4283 of 11970
Can someone explain to me how game mode works?
post #4284 of 11970
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Originally Posted by Rugen View Post

I spoke too soon. After bringing up the test patterns again, and further trying to see the spot, I stood up to get a drink. Apparently this is mostly visible from an angle, looking down at the TV. It's also visible on normal sources, like the black background on my PS3.

I assume this is abnormal for this set? Does anyone else see an anomaly when looking down at their TV, but not as apparent from head on? I am either going to exchange this TV for a new 60" XBR2, or I am going to return it and get something without problems.

Here are some pictures I took. When I resized them for the forum, their quality went down, but you can still see the problem clearly.


These video displays are not intended to be viewed while standing up. Your eyes need to be about in the middle of the screen for all the optics to look their best. You have a few inches of "play" lower and higher... maybe 1 foot above center and 1 foot below center. Anything lower or higher than that and you see all sorts of problems. Similarly, if you sit too far left or too far right, you also see a very odd-looking image also. But the "viewing window" is a bit larger horizontally than it is vertically. AND, the closest viewing distance should be about 7 feet for the 60" set and 8 to 8.5 feet for the 70" set. Any close than that and the optics, again, produce problems. This does not mean the display is defective. This is they way they ALL work. They aren't direct view TVs, these are high-end rear projection displays with lenses and mirrors and color filters and a screen the image appears on. This makes them very different than "old" type TVs when it comes to standing up and walking around the room.
post #4285 of 11970
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Originally Posted by SNOW MAN View Post

We bought a wall mount that is made for a 20" TV. It holds the speaker right above our 60"XBR2. The shelf is tilted down so that the speaker is pointing at us. It only cost about $50.

Snowman...any chance of a pic? Does the front of the speaker come out to the front of the TV, or is it slightly behind the screen plane? I considered one of those, but it didnt' seem like the arm was long enoght for it to extend out to allow the speaker to meet the TV plane
post #4286 of 11970
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Originally Posted by digital_b_avs View Post

lose the terk antenna and get a winegard or terrestrial digital. terk is known to be crap in every mode of antenna they sell. I guarantee you will get more channels with the TD. GO PATRIOTS.


i agree loose the terk. I've had great success with an antennas direct DB-2 in an Attic.
here is a review of it.

This 2-bay antenna is without flaws. It is manufactured for outdoor use.

The antenna is small enough to be reasonable as an indoor antenna. It is 19 wide, 13 high, and 4 deep. This is about the size of a Double-bow, and will fit on top of a TV. But it lacks a stand. If you buy it for indoor use, you will have to invent some kind of a stand to hold it up.

The effort is worth it. The DB-2 is the top performing indoor antenna presently available. If you are a renter in a poor-signal location, the DB-2 is your best option. To surpass it would take a 4-bay, which most renters would not consider reasonable indoors.

oh, almost forgot ...........go SAINTS
post #4287 of 11970
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Originally Posted by cp316 View Post

Does anyone have the link again to the tweek thread with the KTTV settings. I would like to get my SXRD looking its best. Pirates of The Carribean looked awesome last night.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=739074
post #4288 of 11970
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Originally Posted by maxdb View Post

These video displays are not intended to be viewed while standing up. Your eyes need to be about in the middle of the screen for all the optics to look their best. You have a few inches of "play" lower and higher... maybe 1 foot above center and 1 foot below center. Anything lower or higher than that and you see all sorts of problems. Similarly, if you sit too far left or too far right, you also see a very odd-looking image also. But the "viewing window" is a bit larger horizontally than it is vertically. AND, the closest viewing distance should be about 7 feet for the 60" set and 8 to 8.5 feet for the 70" set. Any close than that and the optics, again, produce problems. This does not mean the display is defective. This is they way they ALL work. They aren't direct view TVs, these are high-end rear projection displays with lenses and mirrors and color filters and a screen the image appears on. This makes them very different than "old" type TVs when it comes to standing up and walking around the room.

The difference in horizontal and vertical isn't a "bit". The horizontal viewing angle is 130 degrees while vertical is 60. That's a big difference. While not as good as LED or plasma, 130 degrees is pretty darn wide.

As you point out, the problem is the vertical angle. You need to be careful with sitting on the floor or standing up too close to the TV. But the distance above or below center depends on distance from the TV, and is typically a lot more than one foot. According to my math (1/cos(30)), the 2ft vertical window (1ft above center and 1ft below center) is only at a viewing distance of 6.5ft. I watch my 70" at about 15-20 foot, so my vertical range is 4.6-6.2ft. That's a big range and I have no problems with a drop in brightness.

Folks buying big screens for the first time really need to pay attention to this. They often use a stand that is too high (because they're used to smaller TVs) and then they sit on the floor and the picture sucks.
post #4289 of 11970
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Originally Posted by strutter View Post

i agree loose the terk. I've had great success with an antennas direct DB-2 in an Attic.
here is a review of it.

This 2-bay antenna is without flaws. It is manufactured for outdoor use.

The antenna is small enough to be reasonable as an indoor antenna. It is 19 wide, 13 high, and 4 deep. This is about the size of a Double-bow, and will fit on top of a TV. But it lacks a stand. If you buy it for indoor use, you will have to invent some kind of a stand to hold it up.

The effort is worth it. The DB-2 is the top performing indoor antenna presently available. If you are a renter in a poor-signal location, the DB-2 is your best option. To surpass it would take a 4-bay, which most renters would not consider reasonable indoors.

oh, almost forgot ...........go SAINTS


What's your experience with picking up VHF channels with this antenna? I need to get VHF frequency 11 from about 12 miles away with a 2-story unobstructed view. I've heard that it will "probably" be ok.
post #4290 of 11970
How do I turn DRC off? Sometimes it is greyed out and it looks like sometimes when it is in the mood it is accessible again. I have my PS3 on input 7 and managed to get the DRC turned off. Then all of a sudden it was in mode 1 and greyed out. Why is that??
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