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post #511 of 12044
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Originally Posted by Gymbow View Post

Can someone tell me the exact width of the 70" with the speakers removed? Sony shows 68.6" on their website, but the on-line manual says 67.5". Reason I ask is that the wall unit I have is only 68.25" wide.

If it really is 67.5" W, I have a good excuse to buy the 70.

jk

The web site is wrong. (The metric is right, but it was converted wrong.) The manual is exactly right (one has to be careful to measure the silver bezel from the back, as it angles out, and the front measurement is short by about 3/8"). Bottom line, use the measurements from the manual, and you'll have what you need.
post #512 of 12044
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Originally Posted by kmatch View Post

Thanks for the dimensional info. Looks like I'll have a TV and the kids will have a fort.

A very big fort...
post #513 of 12044
So I've had the 70" for four days now. There's no denying that the picture, with the appropriate HD content, is stunning, and I'm tickled to finally have an HD set whose blacks are truly "black", AND, generally speaking, I'm really satisified with this choice (the 73" Mits would really have been the only other contender, but I've got a DLP set, and was looking to escape the RBE).

However.... I'd like to caution anyone who is "at altitude" that there is a striking difference in fan noise between the "low" setting, and the "above 5000 feet" setting. As has been mentioned previously, "fan noise is not a problem" when you have the unit operating on the factory setting. But when you make that high altitude choice, it's a different story entirely. The set absolutely (in my world) becomes the noisiest device in my HT, and "quiet scenes" certainly become a thing of the past.

All that sorta leads to my question, for the more knowledgable folks in the forum. Living at 7500', I'm seriously thinking of operating the set in the low setting. I have to believe(?) that there must be some "cushion" built in to that factory setting, and that the higher speed must also need to be able to cover much thinner air than mine, e.g. 9000 and 10000' (such that the REALLY high fan speed isn't really a "drop dead" requirement at lower altitudes). Is that just wishful thinking? And what are the primary consequences of running the set at "slightly warmer than intended" temperatures? Are we strictly talking about a shortened bulb life?

Anyway... I'd certainly appreciate anyone's thoughts and input on that topic.

Thanks (a lot!) for your help.
post #514 of 12044
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Originally Posted by AikenGhoti View Post

Well, yeah, once you change every single setting in the options.

I especially noticed that several of my 480i/p devices wanted to be on the ITU709 color matrix. Until then, the reds were all rosy/pinky. I guess defaulting to the older color encoding is pragmatic, but you have to know to fix it for newer video signals. I hate to think what clueless people have to live with with these sets.

What did you set the dynamic iris to? Did you leave power saving on auto? I don't have a good feel for the interplay of both of those, with brightness/contrast yet.

I need to check what the 1080p is using for the color matrix. All my colors look a little too hot. The VP50 has built in color bar test screens, and I tried them with the DVE color slides and they look right, but it needs more tweaking. May need to have someone with real gear come in and adjust it.
post #515 of 12044
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Originally Posted by AikenGhoti View Post

I wonder if we all just need to get our screens made non-concave somehow. Beats me how you'd do that without risking damage, though. Get yourself a pops-a-dent and hope for the best?

You first. Tell me how it goes...
post #516 of 12044
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Originally Posted by Gymbow View Post

Can someone tell me the exact width of the 70" with the speakers removed? Sony shows 68.6" on their website, but the on-line manual says 67.5". Reason I ask is that the wall unit I have is only 68.25" wide.

If it really is 67.5" W, I have a good excuse to buy the 70.

jk

67.5 is what I get.
post #517 of 12044
How does black and white programming look? Is there any sign of the green blob / stain?
post #518 of 12044
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Originally Posted by jingrande@cox.ne View Post

I havn't tweaked my set yet. The grass on football on some fields seemed a little too green.

No folks, I doubt if this is any concern.

Anyone have any thoughts on this?


I think the grass may look different with different lighting and different camera equipment on different games.

The problems with NBC's video is (I think) more local station related since I keep reading how some are always having a problem with the motion while others (in different parts of the US have no problem at all.
post #519 of 12044
Newbie question:

Infering from the tuning posts, I will probably need to (should) tune each input source differently. Therefore I should be cabling the video from each source directly to the TV so I can save those input specific settings?

This means I should NOT be using my AVR (Denon 4806) to switch video from more than one input even though it has HDMI out to the set (which I've set to pass-through)?
post #520 of 12044
I am close to pulling the trigger on the 60 XBR2. My question is, if I go to cable card and have premium channel's( ie HBO & FXSC) with the cable card will the TV guide list the programming on those channel's also? Guide is one disadvantage of cable card but if TV guide will make up for that then I am happy.
post #521 of 12044
My 60" XBR2 should be here this week. What have current owners come up with for good custom settings to get started. It seems like there are a lot of options to be able to tweak from what I hear. Thanks.
post #522 of 12044
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am close to pulling the trigger on the 60 XBR2. My question is, if I go to cable card and have premium channel's( ie HBO & FXSC) with the cable card will the TV guide list the programming on those channel's also? Guide is one disadvantage of cable card but if TV guide will make up for that then I am happy.

That depends on where you live.

TVGOS channel/program information is limited to non-existant in many areas. If you are in a top 10 market, then you probably don't have to worry. If you aren't, then you should check to see what sort of guide information (if any) people are getting with TVOGOS in your area.

While a CableCard will remap digital (QAM) channels to the appropriate numbers, it won't get you any program information (such as what programs are showing on TV). When using a CableCard, you've got to have a source that supplies program information, be it TVGuide or Tivo (in the case of their Series3). TVGuide negotiated with PBS broadcasters in some markets to supply a limited set of program information, typically delivered in blanking interval on the NTSC feed of PBS. In the case of Tivo, they deliver their guide information over the Internet.
post #523 of 12044
I am in San Diego , CA. . I would suspect as long as TVGOS is being broadcast on PBS hear in SD then it would work just not sure if premium channel's would be listed.
post #524 of 12044
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Originally Posted by foolio04 View Post

I am in San Diego , CA. . I would suspect as long as TVGOS is being broadcast on PBS hear in SD then it would work just not sure if premium channel's would be listed.

Go Chargers!
post #525 of 12044
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Can someone tell me the exact width of the 70" with the speakers removed? Sony shows 68.6" on their website, but the on-line manual says 67.5". Reason I ask is that the wall unit I have is only 68.25" wide.

If it really is 67.5" W, I have a good excuse to buy the 70.

jk

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Originally Posted by EricBergan View Post

I had 68", you'll be fine. I did leave off the trim pieces, but the clear plastic pieces stay unless you want to try taking off the bezel. I think with the trim off, it probably comes in about 67"-67.25". I actually had to angle it in and rotate it because of a couple of front pieces on my cabinet, but we made it.

eric

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Thx for your feedback on that Eric.

Since the width measurement is critical to me, can anyone provide the exact width of the 70-XBR2 with the speakers removed and the end caps in place.

Thanks in advance,
jk
post #526 of 12044
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Originally Posted by rillson View Post

67.5 is what I get.

Thanks Rillson. Now I guess I don't have a good excuse not to buy the 70".
post #527 of 12044
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Originally Posted by AikenGhoti View Post

Interesting observation on the 4:3 pincushion/hourglass problem:

Looking sideways at my screen, I can see that it bows in a little in the middle. If you apply gentle pressure to the middle of your screen (use a cloth!), you can easily double the hourglass effect. Not surprising that the screen bows in, and not surprising what the effect is.

I wonder if we all just need to get our screens made non-concave somehow. Beats me how you'd do that without risking damage, though. Get yourself a pops-a-dent and hope for the best?

I posted the same observation about my 50XBR1. I used a suction cup to pull out the screen and the pincushioning went away. I also ran a long stiff ruler from top to bottom and the screen was imploded by at least a quarter of an inch. I wish there was a way to "tighten" the screen. My guess is the larger the screen, the worse the imploded screen would be.
post #528 of 12044
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Originally Posted by rhlitt View Post

KTTV- are you going to try this? If so, when? I am very thick headed and need to see it, so if you do this, can you take pictures along the way? thnx!!!


I did look into the dremel approach and it seems sound and well thought out as described.
I decided, however, to take the easy way out, so I won' be able to add anything to what has already been described. Sorry.

KT
post #529 of 12044
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Originally Posted by TAGATAYA View Post

KT, yes the front access door opens without interference from the trim piece. also, the trim piece is squeezing the front of the pedestal. The pedestal and the bottom of the front shelf is sandwiched tightly within the trim piece, creating a tight fit. The front of the pedestal is at the edge of the shelf under the trim piece. Also it is not locked into place, but pulling it off would take some effort. Dremel's are somewhere in the neighborhood of $80-$100. I suggest buying a kit that has an assortment of tools that you might find useful for other projects if you decide to buy one. The kit usually has a plastic case to store attachments and the dremel. I find uses for the thing all the time. As for cutting, you just screw a little wheel on a shaft the fits in the dremel head. The cutting wheels wear quickly, and you replace it when it gets too small. They come in a little plastic sleeve and run about $6 for 20 of them.

TAGATAYA
Thanks for the advice on the Dremel tools and your description of how it all came together. Because of time constraints and inexperience working with the Dremel I decided to go ahead with my plan to drop a precut 1 inch board into the cut out area, which I had already prepared, and set the TV on top of the board ad standard trim piece. It seems to work well but is not as elegant a solution as your approach.

Thanks again for the help. I know a lot more than I did about what Dremel tools to get if I later decide to change the mounting scheme.

KT
post #530 of 12044
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Originally Posted by RobbinMerritt View Post

If your Tivo can send DD5.1 over HDMI and the Pioneer can accept that input, I would think you could be fine. If not, go with optical. The HD DirecTivo has been around for a while -- I would have assumed that it only sends 2 channel sound over HDMI.

Nope. DD5.1 over HDMI & optical simultaneously. WHich is actually a problem if you want to hook up the HDMI to an A2000 directly, as the Sony fusses over too many audio channels.

Question: if you feed a 5.1 audio HDMI signal into the XBR2s directly, do you get an onscreen "unsupported audio" notice? You do on the A2000s, on each input change. A bit annoying, and most A2000 owners will go back to component/optical (or buy an HDMI A/V receiver) to fix it.
post #531 of 12044
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Originally Posted by rillson View Post

Newbie question:

Infering from the tuning posts, I will probably need to (should) tune each input source differently. Therefore I should be cabling the video from each source directly to the TV so I can save those input specific settings?

This means I should NOT be using my AVR (Denon 4806) to switch video from more than one input even though it has HDMI out to the set (which I've set to pass-through)?

Good question. Right now I am running everything (cable, dvd, ps2) through my Denon 4306 and a couple of cable inputs (cable in and hdmi) directly. So I have been sort of a-bing different ways of handling cable:

1. cable box hdmi out to tv
2. cable box cable to tv
3. composite to denon, hdmi out to tv (upconverting)
4. component to denon, hdmi out to tv (upconverting)

I can't see huge differences between 1 and 4. I'd be curious to know what you find.
post #532 of 12044
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Originally Posted by Robocop2 View Post

Looked today and the 70 is on BB.com but it shows as a magnolia exclusive which bites as there is no magnoila even remotely close to me I guess I can hope that the 60 will at least be avail in BB


drove to hickory today BB(non magnolia) looked on their system and couldnt find anything.
CC said they have 12 of the 60" in a warehouse and i could order it. he also said those 12 were for about 30 stores and he didnt know when they would get one for display.
post #533 of 12044
I picked up my 60 last night and wanted to get right to College Football and Hockey so I used KTTV's initial suggested settings from the git go. With the exception of having to pull back the "picture" setting from Max to about 80 the overall picture was amazing right off.

Overall Color - With the Color Temp on Natural they are very good.
Blobs, Tint, and Stains issues - not even a hint.
Video Noise - I very susceptible to this and even see it constantly on the Mits 831. This is a deal breaker for me, which is why I've waited 4 years to buy an HDTV and ......... I just don't see any.
SSE - My wife and I watched about an hour of Hockey last night and we didn't notice any. We have watched TVs in showrooms, have seen it, and know what to look for. I'm sure there is some, and the nay sayers are going to be upset, but it's just not an issue.
Input switching time - OK, going for 480i to any HD mode is about a 4 second delay. A little scary at first, but once you know it's normal, not a deal killer by any means.

Did I mention the picture is awesome. SD is better than I thought it would be. Yes, I am more than pleased with my purchase.


My TV source is FIOS BTW.

Here are some pics. Hod to use low rez due to file size and it's not a great camera, but here they are.

** YELLOW SPOT AT BOTTOME IS CAMERA FLASH. RELAX **
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post #534 of 12044
could someone with a 60" please post exact width (sonystyle says 67" approx) on your tv.

thank you
post #535 of 12044
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Originally Posted by Stan54 View Post

How does black and white programming look? Is there any sign of the green blob / stain?

I've put up various pure black/gray/white test screens, no problem with color uniformity at all on my set, knock on wood...
post #536 of 12044
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Originally Posted by DaMiester View Post

I picked up my 60 last night and wanted to get right to College Football and Hockey so I used KTTV's initial suggested settings from the git go. With the exception of having to pull back the "picture" setting from Max to about 80 the overall picture was amazing right off.

Overall Color - With the Color Temp on Natural they are very good.
Blobs, Tint, and Stains issues - not even a hint.
Video Noise - I very susceptible to this and even see it constantly on the Mits 831. This is a deal breaker for me, which is why I've waited 4 years to buy an HDTV and ......... I just don't see any.
SSE - My wife and I watched about an hour of Hockey last night and we didn't notice any. We have watched TVs in showrooms, have seen it, and know what to look for. I'm sure there is some, and the nay sayers are going to be upset, but it's just not an issue.
Input switching time - OK, going for 480i to any HD mode is about a 4 second delay. A little scary at first, but once you know it's normal, not a deal killer by any means.

Did I mention the picture is awesome. SD is better than I thought it would be. Yes, I am more than pleased with my purchase.


My TV source is FIOS BTW.

Here are some pics. Hod to use low rez due to file size and it's not a great camera, but here they are.

** YELLOW SPOT AT BOTTOME IS CAMERA FLASH. RELAX **

What model BDI is that?
post #537 of 12044
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Originally Posted by spider4re View Post

could someone with a 60" please post exact width (sonystyle says 67" approx) on your tv.

thank you


65 15/16"
post #538 of 12044
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Originally Posted by DaMiester View Post

65 15/16"

Thank you
post #539 of 12044
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Originally Posted by BIG KAHANA View Post

What model BDI is that?


CIELO 9324C
post #540 of 12044
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Originally Posted by rillson View Post

Newbie question:

Infering from the tuning posts, I will probably need to (should) tune each input source differently. Therefore I should be cabling the video from each source directly to the TV so I can save those input specific settings?

This means I should NOT be using my AVR (Denon 4806) to switch video from more than one input even though it has HDMI out to the set (which I've set to pass-through)?

I think it all depends on the quality of the scaler in the Denon (PQ, flexibility of settings) versus the one in the XBR2.

If you use an external scaler (in this case your Denon), you'll want to turn off just about everything in the XBR2, and find a way to get a test signal in (ideally from the external scaler itself) to tune the XBR2 picture, then tune each input in the external scaler.
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