Official Sony XBR2 (60" & 70") Owner's Thread - Page 201

Originally Posted by EricBergan

It's true - who knew the 70" sets shrink with usage...

Originally Posted by highheater

Where do you think you got your first two sets? Probably returns from someone else. Exactly where does everyone think all these returns go? It would be interesting to hear from some store personell. We may all feel we have the right to cherrypick an item we are spending $5000 for but there is a cost to the industry that is reflected in prices we all find too high.

So the next time you wonder why the prices aren't falling fast enough check the loading dock to see if your item is going back to the manufacturer. Worse yet when you wonder why you got 3 bad SXRDs in a row check to see if your first two sets are back out on the floor.

Originally Posted by BWD69

It's fun to watch peoples faces when they see mine the first time!
One of my buddies from work, busts up laughing every time he sees it.
He says "Dang, Thats a big TV"
It doesn't seem so big to me anymore!

Originally Posted by highheater

Where do you think you got your first two sets? Probably returns from someone else. Exactly where does everyone think all these returns go? It would be interesting to hear from some store personell. We may all feel we have the right to cherrypick an item we are spending $5000 for but there is a cost to the industry that is reflected in prices we all find too high.

So the next time you wonder why the prices aren't falling fast enough check the loading dock to see if your item is going back to the manufacturer. Worse yet when you wonder why you got 3 bad SXRDs in a row check to see if your first two sets are back out on the floor.

Originally Posted by CadoGuy

I doubt very much that "used" TV's are resold as new. My wife works for Sony and in their company store they sell (in addition to new items) what is called "B stock." These items are refurbished or have some cosmetic damage, and are sold at a discount.

Originally Posted by wase4711

its obviously bad business for a store to resell something that might be defective..in this highly competitive marketplace, just the chance that you might sell something defective, and piss off a customer so they never come back is risky business, and most reputable retailers would NEVER risk that..
Now, lots of people return things that are NOT defective, claiming they are, for whatever reason, and sometimes those items can make their way back on to the store shelves.
Anyone who works in retailer consumer electronics knows EXACTLY what I am talking about..

Originally Posted by TedO

Sony referbs their stuff and then sells it out of their outlet stores. I have one close to my home and bought my last TV there. A referbed 61" STD RPTV. Has been working great for years. I plan on buying the 70" in the next few weeks. The price they have on the referbs is $4300 and come with the complete Sony warranty and if you want, you can buy the 5 year extened warranty. This store is just north of Chicago, over the Wisconsin border.

Originally Posted by TedO

I looked at BB, Crutchfield and Tweeter, they were over $5k list and CC doesn't carry it (at least not on line)

If anyone knows of a place around Chicago, let me know. I would like to buy from a Sony dealer, not a third party resaler. I worry about warranty problems if I buy from an online dealer.

Originally Posted by ultrarobotninja

What do you guys think?

Originally Posted by ultrarobotninja

. I then went up close to the screen and I saw that on any color from any source I get noise on the picture, there are grains constantly moving like if it was some sort of static...

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Originally Posted by strutter

i see this also. but only extremely close to the screen, like inches away. i thought it was normal because i see the same thing on display models at stores. i cant see it unless i'm right up on the screen. how far away are you sitting?

Originally Posted by Dinomon

Yesterday while watching HD basketball game, when the player move fast and the camera moves with them, I see grains constantly (something sort of static for a second or two). But the picture was very clear when there wasn't much movement. When I watched the same channel last week, I didn't see any kind of statics. I also sit 14 feet away and using OTA Antanna (1080i channel). Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by G.B.

Turn the DRC off when watching HD ....

Originally Posted by ultrarobotninja

Thanks for the responses guys, I am about 8.5 ft away. What I see in the game seems like a texture on what is the white parts (snow or sky or anything of light color) . I was using my xbox 360 on component when it first observed it. but its also there on my ps3 via hdmi. it seems the brighter the picture and the lighter the color the more its noticible.

the moving particles are only really seen when im really close to the screen, I just mentioned it because i thought they were the cause of whatever it is I see on light colors. ( I see it all the time ,not sometimes)

Would this go away after 100 hours?

Originally Posted by ultrarobotninja

Thanks for the responses guys, I am about 8.5 ft away. What I see in the game seems like a texture on what is the white parts (snow or sky or anything of light color) . I was using my xbox 360 on component when it first observed it. but its also there on my ps3 via hdmi. it seems the brighter the picture and the lighter the color the more its noticible.

the moving particles are only really seen when im really close to the screen, I just mentioned it because i thought they were the cause of whatever it is I see on light colors. ( I see it all the time ,not sometimes)

Would this go away after 100 hours?

Originally Posted by audiomixer

It's a television...

Originally Posted by bourmb

Remember the comment about the retarded monkey of you know who? Well, he strikes again!

Originally Posted by WaldorfSalad

If its a finely distributed sparkly effect that is most visible in white, yellow, etc. areas regardless of motion then its most likely SSE caused by the screen texture and its not going to go away over time. Reducing brightness can help make it less noticeable, as can looking into the picture rather than at the surface of the screen.
If its more coarsely distributed randomly moving/pulsating dots (tiny blocks) in areas of sky, walls, and the like then its most likely compression noise or grain (the source may be a movie with grain for example). If you have PVR (such as a Tivo) or DVD you can pause the picture and the noise/grain "dots" should freeze in place. Or, try cranking noise reduction up to max and that noise will probably go away due to being filtered out (but you'll lose fine detail and pick up ghosting/smearing/blur during motion).
If its larger blocks that appear during fast motion (such as in fast action sports) and/or complex areas of a picture like fire, waves, etc. then its most likely macroblocking and is due to an over-compressed or bandwidth-limited source.
As this stuff is in the source its not going to go away as the TV ages but it will be less noticeable with better source material and good settings on the TV. Btw, you're going to see this kind of thing on just about every TV, and SSE on every rear-projection TV.
P.S. Congrats on going with the 60XBR2