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post #9901 of 11970
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Originally Posted by Humanoid1 View Post

I had CC ext war as well but, they went belly up like a year and half ago. At least I got a new bulb from them f4 went under.

If you're referring to a Circuit City extended warranty, keep in mind that Circuit City extended warranties are generally backed up by a 3rd party warranty company that is still in business and still honoring the warranties. For example, extended warranties for electronics purchased at Circuit City in the US after 12/1/06 are probably honored by Assurant Solutions. See http://www.assurantsolutions.com/news/news_012009.html.
post #9902 of 11970
I have an Sept 2006 build 70" bought in Oct 2006 that has had the bulb replaced twice so far with no optical block problems, & believe me I have been watching close for them.

The only thing I can think of why I haven't had this problem so far is the temp of my room.
In the summer time I keep the thermostat at 72 degrees & in the winter it's in the 60's (I like it on the cool side)
I'm just wondering if the cool conditions have helped keep my optical block alive?
post #9903 of 11970
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Originally Posted by TheMoose View Post

I have an Sept 2006 build 70" bought in Oct 2006 that has had the bulb replaced twice so far with no optical block problems, & believe me I have been watching close for them.

The only thing I can think of why I haven't had this problem so far is the temp of my room.
In the summer time I keep the thermostat at 72 degrees & in the winter it's in the 60's (I like it on the cool side)
I'm just wondering if the cool conditions have helped keep my optical block alive?

Interesting. What picture mode to you have your tv set to? ie: vivid....
post #9904 of 11970
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Originally Posted by TheMoose View Post

I have an Sept 2006 build 70" bought in Oct 2006 that has had the bulb replaced twice so far with no optical block problems, & believe me I have been watching close for them.

The only thing I can think of why I haven't had this problem so far is the temp of my room.
In the summer time I keep the thermostat at 72 degrees & in the winter it's in the 60's (I like it on the cool side)
I'm just wondering if the cool conditions have helped keep my optical block alive?

Doubtful as even running the fan on high doesn't seem to help. I just wish there was some way to increase the fan run time during shutdown.
post #9905 of 11970
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Originally Posted by cdnscg View Post

Interesting. What picture mode to you have your tv set to? ie: vivid....

It's set on custom, calibrated by me using DVE HD Basics.

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Originally Posted by fcb View Post

Doubtful as even running the fan on high doesn't seem to help. I just wish there was some way to increase the fan run time during shutdown.

I have also cleaned out the fans a couple of times, just the ones you can get to by taking off the back, I didn't dig all the way in to it.
post #9906 of 11970
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Originally Posted by TheMoose View Post

It's set on custom, calibrated by me using DVE HD Basics.



I have also cleaned out the fans a couple of times, just the ones you can get to by taking off the back, I didn't dig all the way in to it.

Don't forget to clean your bulb and the glass screen behind it every now and then.
post #9907 of 11970
Tech was in and out in 45 minutes. Said he has changed 100's of these in the past four years and said for the past year, hes never replaced one twice unless it was defective out of the box. Claims Sony greatly improved product after earlier problems. I'll certainly watch it close as my extended warranty thru CC still has 18 mos. on it. He also does the CC warranty work and one of the last posters is right. CC dealt thru a third party and there is no problem getting these fixed. He kind of doubted that changing the bulb led to this and said that having it on the Vivid setting all the time was the likely cause(the wife notices a BIG difference and ...to keep peace....)
post #9908 of 11970
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Originally Posted by TheMoose View Post

I have an Sept 2006 build 70" bought in Oct 2006 that has had the bulb replaced twice so far with no optical block problems, & believe me I have been watching close for them.

The only thing I can think of why I haven't had this problem so far is the temp of my room.
In the summer time I keep the thermostat at 72 degrees & in the winter it's in the 60's (I like it on the cool side)
I'm just wondering if the cool conditions have helped keep my optical block alive?

I also have a 2006 build with the original OB. I just received the "bulb change" message and of course, a bit hestitant to change it. The picture seems fine to me and I don't see any green blob/stain issues. Can someone reasonably explain why changing the bulb would casue the OB to eventually fail? I realize this has been the experience of some members, I just don't understand the correlation? I am looking for risk/reward. I have a Sony EW good thru Nov 2010.
post #9909 of 11970
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Originally Posted by bigtuna View Post

I also have a 2006 build with the original OB. I just received the "bulb change" message and of course, a bit hestitant to change it. The picture seems fine to me and I don't see any green blob/stain issues. Can someone reasonably explain why changing the bulb would casue the OB to eventually fail? I realize this has been the experience of some members, I just don't understand the correlation? I am looking for risk/reward. I have a Sony EW good thru Nov 2010.

Big Tuna.... I believe it may have more to do with the hours that are on the set. At the point the change bulb message comes on, many do not change the bulb for quite a few more hours. I have a XBR2 70" and I recently changed my bulb for the 1st time. I guess I am paranoid, but I keep expecting to see the green or yellow stain any day now.
post #9910 of 11970
Just scheduled for my second replacement. Unless the warranty is extended again, I guess it's out to the road next time.
post #9911 of 11970
F*ck it.…I am changing the bulb and rolling the dice. Living on the edge with a $4K door stop. I am hoping for the lawsuit to be settled soon, it's how I went from the xbr1 to the xbr2. Just glad this thing doesn't have a gas pedal like some other Japanese products. At least this thing can't kill me …yet.
post #9912 of 11970
They can sure kill your wallet, though! Hopefully my EW on the XBR2 gets me another OB before it expires in nov. 2011. I'm on my 3rd now. Hopefully we'll get an exchange offer like the XBR1 people have.
post #9913 of 11970
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Originally Posted by nic66718 View Post

Tech was in and out in 45 minutes. Said he has changed 100's of these in the past four years and said for the past year, hes never replaced one twice unless it was defective out of the box. Claims Sony greatly improved product after earlier problems. I'll certainly watch it close as my extended warranty thru CC still has 18 mos. on it. He also does the CC warranty work and one of the last posters is right. CC dealt thru a third party and there is no problem getting these fixed. He kind of doubted that changing the bulb led to this and said that having it on the Vivid setting all the time was the likely cause(the wife notices a BIG difference and ...to keep peace....)

Techs have been telling customers for many years that Sony has improved the optical blocks, and that they never have to replace them a second time. That's what the tech told me when he replaced my first optical block. But, about two years later, it failed the same way the first one did. Leading up to my lawsuit, Sony acknowledged that no redesign had been done when it was replaced, nor had any redesign been done since then.

Sony claimed that they fixed the problem before the 2006 models came out. Yet, 2006 models and replacement optical blocks for earlier models installed after that have been failing with the same problems. And the 2007 models are also failing with the same problems. Then Sony stopped producing them. Have they really done any effective re-engineering since then? Highly unlikely. Particularly since they are encouraging all of their customers to buy new Sony flat panel LCDs rather than trying to repair their projection TVs.

We customers should be able to rely on statements by techs, but I would suggest that, while generally well-meaning, they probably have no idea what they are talking about on this topic. They have no need for any knowledge about the interior of the optical blocks or any changes Sony has allegedly made to them. They simply remove the old one and plug in the new one. So, I encourage you to ask the tech to detail what changes were made. And, if he is unable to provide any details, I encourage you to ask about the basis for the claim. For example, does he have a written document from Sony specifying changes? I would love to have some reliable information backing this up, but I fear it does not exist.

Beyond the optical block design, I doubt that any electronic picture settings on the TV, like "Vivid", have any effect on longevity. I highly doubt that these settings have much, if any, effect on the amount of heat, UV radiation, etc. that the parts are subjected to.
post #9914 of 11970
I have had my sony 60 inch xbr2 for about four years now. My lamp bulb is popping up and I believe I am seeing green on the left side of my screen mostly in greys and blues...I am planning on changing up the bulb..First question is it hard to do the bulb, and second should I call sony about replacing the ob...any other ways of cleaning it.

JJ
post #9915 of 11970
Hello,
Bulb replacement could not be easier. If you do not have your Owner's Manual, you can download it from Sony's Website I believe. Regardless, you simply remove the door, unscrew the 2 bolts and insert a new Lamp.

If you are seeing green on the corner of your Screen, it is most definitely an OB failure. So long as you are the original owner or the original owner did not get a replacement for the set, you should be fine. If you notice the Serial Number has been teared off, then it has probably been replaced already and Sony will not offer assistance. Sony will know all by giving them the S/N.

Good luck with everything and I hope everything works out well for you.
Cheers,
AD
post #9916 of 11970
Thank you very much. I will try to replace the bulb. The green is minimally noticeable and probably not to others just me knowing it is there. Will Sony come and access the situation and see if it is infact the OB? I plan on calling them....scared that this now will lead to a lot of other problems.
post #9917 of 11970
I originally bought the kds-r60xbr1 when it came out. The optical block failed and Sony replaced it three times. All three of these new optical blocks failed so Sony replaced my TV with a refurbed xbr2. The optical block on this TV is failing - there is green haze covering about half the screen. It is particularly noticeable on grays. Will Sony fix/replace my TV even though I received it as a replacement for my xbr1?
post #9918 of 11970
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Originally Posted by psrealm View Post

I originally bought the kds-r60xbr1 when it came out. The optical block failed and Sony replaced it three times. All three of these new optical blocks failed so Sony replaced my TV with a refurbed xbr2. The optical block on this TV is failing - there is green haze covering about half the screen. It is particularly noticeable on grays. Will Sony fix/replace my TV even though I received it as a replacement for my xbr1?

Yes they have to in my opinion. Refurb or not you received it from them and they were the ones who extended the warranty on the OB. So if I were you I would call them and let them know what's going on with your tv.
post #9919 of 11970
I'll give them a call tomorrow and I'll post up my results here after I get the OB replaced. The main concern I really have right now is that they are going to give me 3 junk OB's again (when they replaced my xbr1 OB's, the replacements immediately looked worse than the original) and there's no decent option made by Sony to replace this TV. Guess I'll just have to see what happens.
post #9920 of 11970
I have been somewhat lucky with my KDS-R60XBR2 - no green blobs or anything like that. However, on Sunday night my TV shut itself off, and I received the fan error code (4 red lights). I cleaned the two visible fans on the back of the TV set with compressed air and made sure they spun; when I tried the TV again, those fans worked, but the TV turned off and gave me the same fan error code.

I've seen references in this forum to there being four fans in this model SXRD. Where are the other two fans? Is there a fan buried close to the optical block (like there was in the one of the older Sony TVs)?

Any help on how to find these fans and fix this problem greatly is appreciated.
post #9921 of 11970
Had my optical block replaced today. This is my second replacement, third block overall. The installer said he had replaced a lot of these, and quite a few were on the second and third block.
This one looks pretty good; it did not need the pinkish cast adjusted out as the last one did.
Just some centering, convergence and tilt adjustments and I was good to go.
Wonder how long this one will last? It will most likely be my last as I sure as hell am not going to pay for one.
post #9922 of 11970
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Originally Posted by fcb View Post

Had my optical block replaced today. This is my second replacement, third block overall. The installer said he had replaced a lot of these, and quite a few were on the second and third block.
This one looks pretty good; it did not need the pinkish cast adjusted out as the last one did.
Just some centering, convergence and tilt adjustments and I was good to go.
Wonder how long this one will last? It will most likely be my last as I sure as hell am not going to pay for one.

I'm on my third also (4th if you count one they had to change in 2 weeks), and I'm with you. Why would any one pay to have an OB changed when they are bound to fail within 2 years.
post #9923 of 11970
Does anyone have a list of service menu parameters and what they each do? The service manual, unfortunately, has nothing to say beyond centering and convergence.
post #9924 of 11970
I saw postings on slickdeals and on the XBR1 owners thread here at AVS regarding Sony offering replacements or huge discounts on new TV's. Sony is only requiring customers to send in the service tag on the TV. Has anyone been offered this for the XBR2 models?
post #9925 of 11970
Being on my 3rd OB I tried calling the number in the xbr1 thread, with no luck. Sony told me a replacement is not available with the xbr2. Too bad, I would gladly send them my sticker for a new, discounted set.
post #9926 of 11970
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Originally Posted by mgbdude View Post

Being on my 3rd OB I tried calling the number in the xbr1 thread, with no luck. Sony told me a replacement is not available with the xbr2. Too bad, I would gladly send them my sticker for a new, discounted set.

I would call regular # & get started that way. This would be the place to keep posted how things Sony is doing for other XBR 2 problems. Some XBR 1 folk would also be on this forum do to that was Sony's replacement at one Time. I also think anyone that had trouble twice is also important to stay in good standing with. Do to the fact You have had an Issue twice... Optical Block...
post #9927 of 11970
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Originally Posted by mgbdude View Post

Being on my 3rd OB I tried calling the number in the xbr1 thread, with no luck. Sony told me a replacement is not available with the xbr2. Too bad, I would gladly send them my sticker for a new, discounted set.

Sony has extended the warranty for the OB on the XBR2 to June 30, 2010. So they are not going to start offering replacements until the warranty is expired.
post #9928 of 11970
If anyone needs a complete lamp with housing for an xbr2 (xl5300)
send me a PM. I have an extra new one for sale now that my tv is gone and replaced finally...
post #9929 of 11970
Understood. Wonder IF they ever will offer replacement sets for the xbr2. My extended warranty runs thru nov. 2011.
post #9930 of 11970
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Originally Posted by mgbdude View Post

Understood. Wonder IF they ever will offer replacement sets for the xbr2. My extended warranty runs thru nov. 2011.

yeah its really weird how sony has wildly different replacement offers for owners of defective sxrds. reading through the xbr1 thread, sony is now making those owners really good offers on 52" and 55" models for a few hundred bucks. but the a2000/2020/3000 owners and xbr2 owners are
not getting offers with such favorable terms.

some on the xbr1 thread think it has something to do with the original purchase
price paid. since the xbrs sold at a premium compared to the axxxx models,
sony is more generous in their replacement offers.

the other thing is that xbr1s class action suit was completed a year or two ago.
our class action is still pending. might start seeing better replacement offers as part of a class action settlement or once the extended warranties run out.
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