Official Sony XBR2 (60" & 70") Owner's Thread - Page 333

All I can say is good work, and not just in the courtroom. I've always appreciated that this forum has a lot more poeple here to help strangers than to prove how smart they are.

Personally, I'm not mad enough to do anything about this - I might not even bother with a block exchange - but I can see why people would be. I came here for the opinions of the PQ elite, knowing that I wasn't one. Good luck to everyone.

I read through your site. Thanks for all your work.

Can we object to the proposed settlement? I didn't see
how we can file an objection to the proposed settlement

Can you give us any giudance here??

I'm more skeptical.

This sure looks like sony set this up to relieve themselves of
liability and avoid the class action suit that was legitimately filed
by the New York attorney.

People it is time to get active or take it up the ..................

You have been busy posting today! I too am angry, but I don’t need to post the same thing over and over using cut and paste!

Wow are you serious?

I guess I owe everyone an apology for disseminating
information about how sony is planning to give you $300-$400 for a
defective tv that you paid anywhere between $3000=$6000 for that goes
bad after about 2-3 years of use.

My mistake. I thought the purpose of avs forum was to share information
and knowledge with our members.

I really dislike it when members start attacking each other for their posts.

Neither you or I are the enemy. The whole point is that all sxrd owners
need to know sony is trying to dump liability for selling a product they
knew was defective before it even hit the market, if the affadavits
filed in N.Y. are to be believed. Members need to know they better
object to this fraud of a class action settlment or write off their
expensive investment.

Peace brother.

I apologize in advance, as I am sure this has been asked many times. My keywords just have not found the correct thread(s).

I have noticed the greenish yellow haze starting to appear on my set. It is very obvious when looking a a white background. The left side looks green/yellow and the right looks white.

My 60" XBR2 is an October 2006 build. Do I call Sony (The number in the manual) or do I call the 3rd party with whom I have an extended warranty? Is there anything else I need to ask/tell the person I will speak with?

I have added myself to the the lawsuit information list.

Thanks in advance.

--Larry

Call Sony as this is covered under the Sony extended warranty.
Tell them you have the symptoms of a failed optical block and they will refer you
to a local service company to replace it.

Also, try reading the last 20 or 30 pages to give you some idea of what you are dealing with. That's mostly all this thread is about any more.

Yes I am! I don't need to see the same post in six other places! If you have anything to add that is great that is why we are all here! But just to post the same thing over and over in other location is just redundant for your argument.

Should I also post this in the others also? Whould that be ok?

Ps. I am not attacking your post it was fine, I am just saying you don't really need to post it six times to tell us your not happy with Sony I am angry also!

If you want to save yourself a phone call to Sony, you can go to the Sony support website at https://eservice.sony.com/webrma/web/index.do, type in your model number, purchase date, and zip code and see if you have a local authorized repair center. If you do you can then call the repair center directly and describe the problem to them. They should order an optical block and set a time to install it based on your description of the problem.

Good luck.

Hello,
I am still struggling to come to terms with some Woman none of us has heard of has filed a Class Action Lawsuit on our behalf. To add insult to injury, the Attorneys are entitled to over 600 thousand Dollars and I have a sneaking suspicion that Sabrina Cardenas (Named Plaintiff) is getting more than the 600 Dollars maximum if she owned a 006.
Cheers,
AD

I have updated my web site with more information:
http://sites.google.com/site/sonylcd...ction-lawsuits

Yeah, angry enough that you think members shouldn't share info
with other sxrd owners who may not follow the xbr2 owners thread?

Just thank splinke for doing all this hard work, making a website,
and by the way, posting his formidable knowledge on ALL the
sxrd threads.

Remember, this phony class action involves not only xbr2s,
but qualias, a2000s, a2020s and a3000s. They need to know too.


Many thanks splinke!!!!!

Ok! So by your logic I should be posting the same thing in all other posting even though they are already posting this information in those posts. I do thank splinke for his work and I will post this in the others since its what we all should do!

Have any of your replacement OBs been bad or gone bad yet?

As an XBR1 owner with a defective replacement OB, I can pretty much warn you that any legal remedy that involves replacing OBs appears to be flawed from the start, as they will likely be defective, or will be within a short time. It's pretty obvious from the XBR1 thread that these SXRD OBs including replacements are systematically defective.

I believe that's why Sony is now offering replacement TVs to XBR1 owners - to buy off the liability which they know they still have.

However, it looks like what's different with your class action is the addition of a cash payoff at Sony's option. This might get them out of any future liability if/when the replacement OB goes bad.

You might want to check with the class attorney(s) on this. I'm no attorney.

Yes, my OB was replaced under warranty in December, 2009 and it has already developed a slight green blob covering approximately 1/3 of screen on the left side with a smaller purple blob in the lower right corner.

I talked to an attorney of the original XBR2 lawsuit last night. They will be in court today trying to get the Oklahoma lawsuit dismissed or preempted.

Does the original XBR2 lawsuit involve replacing OBs? Sorry, I haven't read that one, but IMHO no pending or future class action suit on any of these SXRD
OBs should ethically offer that as a remedy.

And Sony should offer a lot more cash or better replacement TV deals. Small claims court might be the only way to that.

AFAIK, that hasn't been decided yet. In the Oklahoma lawsuit, Sony and the attorney(s) reached an agreement which included the short warranty extension and/or the money if Sony can't or won't replace the OB. It is my belief that Sony will take the cheaper way out and just pay each owner the Cash Settlement and that would be the end of their obligation. After all, $200-700 is less than the cost of an OB replacement. I also believe Q006, XBR2 and A2xxx owners will not be offered replacement TVs after the extended warranty ends like they have offered to XBR1 owners.

In other words, under the Oklahoma lawsuit, Sony would probably be able to write us all off for far less than they would have under the other lawsuit. I believe that is why Sony settled the Oklahoma lawsuit - they were able to get a better deal there. I wouldn't be surprised if the Oklahoma lawsuit was drummed up, at least in part, by Sony themselves!

+1

totally agree sony set up the oklahoma lawsuit to try and avoid
the n.y. class action.

I'll just go with my extended warranty, after 3 replacements they will make me a much better offer than Sony will.
My extended warranty runs through Nov of 2011 so I have a lot longer time.
Fortunately my 70" XBR2 is not having problems & I'm on my 2nd bulb replacement.

When exactly does the Sony OB warranty expire?

my replacement ob is about a year old now. no obvious discoloration or
tinting can be seen on normal viewing, but i think it will fail soon enough.

on a white or gray screen i can see magenta tinting in the lower right
quarter of the screen. also notice the image is not as sharp and as
focused as it used to be. don't know if this is indicative of an ob about
to fail or my lamp starting to go. didn't notice the loss of image sharpness
when the last ob failed.

when my ob started to fail last year, it deteriorated very rapidly in a matter of weeks until
the entire screen manifested green hues and tints everywhere..

The current XBR2 optical block warranty expires at the end of June. If the "Cardenas" (Texas plaintiff/Oklahoma law firm) class action goes through, it will expire in August--a whopping two extra months.

In the Cardenas class action documents, the plaintiff claims that the proposed settlements were similar to those of the other class actions, but that Sony was unable to come to an agreement on the plaintiff's attorney fees/costs. Whether that is true or not, I do not know, but I am curious. By the way, Sony agreed to pay up to $625,000 in the Cardenas suit.

For reference, they paid $1.6 million to the XBR1 attorneys. Interestingly, the XBR1 suit supposedly had 175,000 class members for the two models, while only 47,000 are mentioned in the current case, which covers 12 models. I know Sony exited the rear-projection business in 2007, but 47,000 seems low for the Q006, XBR2s, A2000s, A2020s, and A3000s.

For a much more detailed run-down of the current situation, see my Class Action Lawsuits page. I have a summary, the court documents, and my own objection letter that I sent to the judge, Sony, and the plaintiff's attorneys yesterday.

What is "phony" about the class action suit?
Btw, your immature rants aren't helping.

From my perspective, I think the short answer is that Sony, in most cases, would only be obligated to extend the warranty for a month or two, and they can give customers a few hundred dollars to absolve themselves of any further responsibility after as little as 3 or so years of usage. For the longer answer, see my letter to Judge Patterson.

Combine that with the fact that this lawsuit suddenly appeared and was rapidly settled by Sony, despite the fact that there were other longer-standing lawsuits. And there is a claim that the new one apparently just copied large sections of text from the other ones (maybe this isn't considered plagiarism and is standard practice in the legal world, though).

Same here on the "the image is not as sharp and as
focused as it used to be." for my XBR1 as well as for many others on their replacements. In fact, the XBR1 class action even mentions this as a problem with replacements, even though that was the legal remedy of the settlement: replacements.

At least that makes a great case against Sony in the future. Their supposed solution to the problem was to replace defective OBs with defective OBs.

Btw, great work by splinke on that website! I'm back to the XBR1 thread.

Well, I finally replaced my bulb today. We'll see if any OB problems occur. I've been lucky so far (knock on wood).

look I don't want to get in a pissing match with anyone here.
We are all on the same team. We can't be arguing with each other.
We fight together or lose together.

If my comments are really that upsetting to people I withdraw.

I yield my time to splinke who's doing all the work here.

I am 100% behind you. and you can speak for me as you seem
able to communicate what I cannot.

Please let me know if I can assist you in any way.

I agree with everything you've said but I just didn't see how the word "phony" was correct as it essentially means untrue. It is definitely real but woefully inadequate and, as you've said yourself, outrageous. However, that seems to be par for the course for class action lawsuits. The real beneficiaries are usually the lawyers! Although I was one of the lucky ones in the early days to get a full buy-back of my XBR1 by Sony, I'm supportive of all SXRD owners because I also have a 55A2020 which although its still OK at 8000 hours (recently changed bulb) I know its just a matter of time before I'll be affected and my Sony warranty runs out in June.

This is the only thread I read. I welcome any/all such discussion on this thread. So, bottom line, he can post it anywhere he wants, as many times as he wants, get over it.

Just ignore them. Life is full of people like that.