Dexter on SHO - Page 153

I think another extremely significant aspect of the scene was that Deb had ample opportunity to disrupt the obvious result -- even as Dexter raised his knife, an atmosphere-gashing scream surely would have thwarted the stab -- even a well placed sharp "DEXTER!" at any time certainly would have curtailed the death. So now we have Deb as something of a passive accomplice -- possibly this leads to further reexamination of her letting the last serial murderers off...that and, well, that plus her whole life is now irrevocably shattered anyway, but will she see herself as fit to be Lieutenant, or even police person, or EVEN fit to live? I think she blames herself significantly, no matter how it gets resolved otherwise.....

very good point, It hadn't occurred to me, but having deb watch passively, supposedly too shocked to act, is kinda out of character, isn't it? And yeah, I know its the person she's closest to, blah, blah, but still,,,it just rings false for me...Plus they missed the chance for the ultimate expletive

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While that's true, she did overlook the murders of Jordan Chase and his cronies the season before and she admitted to Dexter that some people "deserve to die." I did mention previously that I thought that admission was partly the writers setting up Deb's character for being able to handle finding out at least something about Dexter. As to Matthews, she is letting him off the hook of a police investigation that she would have otherwise done if Matthews wasn't the "John".

I can perfectly respect that it rang false to you from a character perspective. I don't think it quite struck me that way, at least from the character angle, more so from just what might be an expected automatic reflex. I think it may be OK that she did not call out, as far as it being possible the shock might have gripped her in that moment, I was just pointing out that in my mind it is a significant thing to factor into whatever results from this point forward. Something that did not occur to me was that it was the perfect opportunity for that-once-in-a-lifetime ultimate expletive! -- that gave me a laugh, and yes, I expect from Deb that might have been one lollipalooza of a curse! ("lollipalooza" I guess representing my best ultimate expletive -- HA! -- Deb's the champ, no doubt)

This is so true. As I continue watching with my daughter we are tearing through the seasons. The thing that people new to the series (and most series) don't experience is that Dexter often leaves you with a cliff-hanger or some reveal at the end of the episode. When you have to sit through the week wondering about it (just as now we have to wait until next season to pick up after Deb's big moment), it gives you a different feeling about the moments which may feel more contrived when your wait is the time it takes to fast forward past the "previously" and credits. Btw, I really hate the credits and wish they would change them. It is like a joke that was funny once but not funny anymore. HBO does a much better job with its shows making the credits really great with great images and music.

Btw, we are now rewatching seaon 5 and I still can't understand why people don't like this season. We finished show 5 last night and it is a very enjoyable season. I agree the upcoming warehouse scene was a clusterf**k but I remember it being funny and insane.

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It actually went well beyond that and was a significant stride forward in setting up the Deb/Dex romance angle -- Deb had quite some little soliloquy regarding the surmised male person helping the vigilante killer (Lumen) -- that that was just the kind of person she needed in her life looking out for her, etc. These are more reasons why I think it comes into play that Deb did not stop Dexter from killing Travis -- I'm sure it will have to lead to some soul-searching (at the very least) on what she actually does think of criminal justice and her part in it, as well as passively allowing people to dies, as well as knowing but not knowing about Dexter, etc.

I disagree. It's not that it would have been out of character for Deb; it would have been out of character for any human being. First would come shock, then a moment of stunned silence to process what you just saw, then a confused search for the right words to say.

That was the single most shocking thing Deb had ever seen in her life. Of course she would be stunned into silence - at least for a few moments. What would be weird is if she were to process something so incredibly bizarre so quickly that one of her trademark expletives would have come blurting out.

There are a lot of things to criticize the writers for in this past season. Deb's reaction in that final scene, however, they got exactly right.

Good points.

Would he do it to protect his job and reputation?
I have always considered the death of the prostitute to be more than a little suspicious.
Yes, we do not have a great deal of evidence....just Matthew's word and that's about it.
And we know he is a cruel ba$tard.



+1
Certainly the biggest question for next season.



Cannot agree more.
No other reaction would have been credible IMO.

Well, certainly hard to know and tough to call. As I said, I am OK with Deb not shouting anything out -- we would have a rather more sloppy aborted act to question until next season for one thing, but as to knowing if she might not even have gasped (but rather of course be without doubt shocked to silence) -- it is such an extreme situation that I think it impossible for us to know if even we ourselves would do one thing or another -- and that is with knowing ourselves as we do, let alone this character.

But as I say, I'm fine with it, question is, is Deb fine with not acting to prevent anything, fine with not recognizing what will now appear as obvious certain Dexter related things, fine with thinking as she expressed that certain people don't deserve to live, fine with her oath, and other such considerations?

How about NO! That would be the reflex action one would expect from a cop watching a murder about to happen.It wouldn't be a matter of thinking about what to do, it would be a gut reaction to seeing the person she most cares about do something horrible. At the very least she'd want him to know she was watching...
Unless of course she already strongly suspected who her brother really was...reading Daryl's post reminded me of how last year ended...maybe Deb already knows, at least unconsciously, what Dexter is capable of. Maybe seeing him in action was like a light bulb going off in her head so that all that has happened over the last 6 years suddenly made sense... and in that moment of truth she discovered she agreed with what he was doing? .

Boy, I wish I could have said that 1st paragraph Well written and I agree fully-there is no way to know how anyone of us would react in such a situation.

Exactly.
How can ANYONE not be shocked (at least for a few seconds)?
Her entire concept of reality exploded in front of her in an instant.



My guess is NO...she won't be fine with it.
She will be a tortured soul, at the very least.

What will she do?
Walking in on Dex committing murder will be the beginning of her end.
She will not recover...

Hopefully, the writers will take the tough road and next season will be her last.
IMO, it would be in keeping with the spirit of the show.

Agree with all that except next season being her last. She'll be shaken, and I suspect, will step down as Lieutenant. And her relationship with her brother, whom she briefly thought she was in love with, will take an unprecedented turn (duh). Dex & Deb's relationship will come to define the word "complicated".

But she'll stick around 'till the end, IMO. And my money is on her surviving to tell the tale. Now Dex, that's another story. I want Angel and Masuka to make it but wouldn't put it past the creative team to kill one or both of 'em off for dramatic reasons. And if Quinn or Laguerta bite it at any time - heck, if they just get hit by a bus - well, I'm totally okay with that.

I'd bet money Deb will be there for the finale...unless she pulls a Julie Benz and leaves for a starring role in a network series

LOL.
Yeah, Quinn and Laguerta are real pieces of work.

Anyone laying out odds on who in the cast will make it to the end of the series?
Some of 'em gotta go, if only for dramatic reasons.
At any rate, it would be appropriate for the show to have some bumped off in nasty surreal ways.



BTW, how has that gone for her?

Quinn has always felt like a recurring character to me, almost like he was never meant to last this long in the first place. I dunno, he just feels like a poor substitute for Doakes.

Agree, a nothing character. Kinda bad or kinda good and mostly irritating.
Quinn's 8X10 collection gathers dust.

Man, some of your suggestions sound like cheap thrills. Deb isn't going anywhere. She'll develop some control over the Dex relationship...not unlike the books. They might decide to take out another character, but why? They aren't essential, they're just wallpaper. There's 2 seasons left. I think unltimately LaGuerta will be ruined, but not dead. Dex probably will be, but that's to be determined. Deb is totally safe. She'll be the last teary eyed, shaky voiced scene, if Dex goes. If not, Dex will be monologueing, while doing something pointing to a new horizon.

OK, I have to admit, I never read the books.


Yep.

My thought is Dex will die in the last episode.

However, in the final episode, he will be between life and death...and will meet all of those he truly cared about (Rita, Harrison, His Daddy, His Mommy, etc.) and come to peace with his existence and relationships...and slip away into the blinding white light...

Now where have I recently seen that same epilogue unfold? ARRRRRRRGGGGH, nooooooooooo.......

Then he'll wake up besides Rita and say, "I had the strangest dream. I dreamed I was a serial killer who only killed other killers . . . "

Here?

[Maximus addresses Cavalry]
Maximus: Three weeks from now, I will be harvesting my crops. Imagine where you will be, and it will be so. Hold the line! Stay with me! If you find yourself alone, riding in the green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. For you are in Elysium, and you're already dead!
[Cavalry laughs]
Maximus: Brothers, what we do in life... echoes in eternity.

LOL, can you imagine the posts here after that?

^^^ If they're going to go that route they might as well go all out and have Dexter wake up next to Bob Newhart in bed!

Nah, but that's a fun speech. Roma Victore!

No, I was thinking more on the lines of: "..... Everyone dies sometime kiddo, some of them before you, some long after you..... This is a place that you all made together so you could find each other.... blah, blah", gak!

Nah, he'll wake up next to Keith and say " I had the strangest dream. I dreamed I was a serial killer who only kills other killers" as he leaves to prepare for an embalming...

No way either dies. They figure it out, have some moments, then ride off into the sunset in a '66 T-bird ...

OK, got it.
I'm slow on the up-take today (damn margaritas!)

Rita: " I wonder what that means...why'd you just cut my cheek?

Fade to black.