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post #5131 of 6855
You're right about chain of custody. My thought is that LaGuerta's primary motive is to prove that Doakes was innocent. As I posted before, there wouldn't be any physical evidence to connect the slide to Dexter. Dexter's problem would be the FBI coming back in since there was evidence showing that some member of Miami Metro was the killer. As to Deb treating Dexter nicely, I think its just poor writing. The slug in the jaw was supposed to be all of Deb's anger. Then it just went away even though we've seen Deb constantly obsessing about things over and over again.
post #5132 of 6855
re: Deb's response to Dexter's confession, it would seem the writer's are making it seem that Deb it torn with being a cop vs "loving" sister
post #5133 of 6855
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so why hide the blood slide from her forensics team?
She suspects an "inside job?"

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re: Deb's response to Dexter's confession, it would seem the writer's are making it seem that Deb it torn with being a cop vs "loving" sister
+1
post #5134 of 6855
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re: Deb's response to Dexter's confession, it would seem the writer's are making it seem that Deb it torn with being a cop vs "loving" sister

That does make sense, but you'd think she'd still be struggling with the fact that her brother is a psychopathic serial killer. Her reaction has been pretty weak besides initially throwing up on the lawn.
post #5135 of 6855
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That does make sense, but you'd think she'd still be struggling with the fact that her brother is a psychopathic serial killer. Her reaction has been pretty weak besides initially throwing up on the lawn.
I don't think her "reaction" is completely settled yet....wink.gif
post #5136 of 6855
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re: Deb's response to Dexter's confession, it would seem the writer's are making it seem that Deb it torn with being a cop vs "loving" sister
Yeah, but still -- treating it like it's an addiction problem? "I'm gonna stay with you 24/7, so that you won't stray" -- really?
post #5137 of 6855
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Yeah, but still -- treating it like it's an addiction problem? "I'm gonna stay with you 24/7, so that you won't stray" -- really?

Dexter tried to treat it as an addiction way back in S2....didn't end well for his "sponsor"
post #5138 of 6855
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Dexter tried to treat it as an addiction way back in S2....didn't end well for his "sponsor"
Sure, but the impetus behind that was to appease Rita, wasn't it? I don't recall Dexter actually believing a 12-step program was a solution.
post #5139 of 6855
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Sure, but the impetus behind that was to appease Rita, wasn't it? I don't recall Dexter actually believing a 12-step program was a solution.

My memory might be faulty but I thought he actually had hopes it might work...I do remember him being kinda vague about just what his addiction was when he spoke about it...
post #5140 of 6855
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My memory might be faulty but I thought he actually had hopes it might work...I do remember him being kinda vague about just what his addiction was when he spoke about it...
My recall too.wink.gif
post #5141 of 6855
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Dexter tried to treat it as an addiction way back in S2....didn't end well for his "sponsor"

It actually worked pretty well as the sponsor called Dexter on his BS. It blew apart when his sponsor went off map.
post #5142 of 6855
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It actually worked pretty well as the sponsor called Dexter on his BS. It blew apart when his sponsor went off map.

I said FOR the sponsor...I agree it was a growth experience for Dex. And he got to go to Paris.

Boy, it sure is more fun to talk about the early seasons. Maybe dad was on to something after all with the rewatch.
post #5143 of 6855
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I said FOR the sponsor...I agree it was a growth experience for Dex. And he got to go to Paris.
Boy, it sure is more fun to talk about the early seasons. Maybe dad was on to something after all with the rewatch.

I know what you said. I was just pointing out that it actually worked for Dexter for a while until his sponsor went loony. I have said and stick to the proposition that Dexter could quit killing but he doesn't want to. Ultimately Lila was sent to the 12 steps in the sky because she killed Doakes, not because she missed a step.
Edited by daryl zero - 10/11/12 at 6:34pm
post #5144 of 6855
Actually S2 has an episode, "Left Turn Ahead," in which Dex contemplated and sincerely thought about turning himself in after talking to Doakes in the cage of the cabin. He did change his mind when he decided Rita, her kids and Deb (remember the hilarious 'Deb, I'm the Bay Harbor Butcher' montage) would be too hurt by his serial killing ways being known so he decided to frame Doakes intead of killing him. That one episode though (specifically the scene when Dex is talking to Deb on the phone outisde the cabin under a full moon) showed that, within his twisted psyche and filtered through Harry's code, some of the therapy had worked on Dex. It's the 'clearest' Dex's been, and it's been an up-and-down (mostly down) rollercoaster ever since about his behavior being erratic.
post #5145 of 6855
The good old days smile.gif

When a Serial Killer could make his own choices.
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Actually S2 has an episode, "Left Turn Ahead," in which Dex contemplated and sincerely thought about turning himself in after talking to Doakes in the cage of the cabin. He did change his mind when he decided Rita, her kids and Deb (remember the hilarious 'Deb, I'm the Bay Harbor Butcher' montage) would be too hurt by his serial killing ways being known so he decided to frame Doakes intead of killing him. That one episode though (specifically the scene when Dex is talking to Deb on the phone outisde the cabin under a full moon) showed that, within his twisted psyche and filtered through Harry's code, some of the therapy had worked on Dex. It's the 'clearest' Dex's been, and it's been an up-and-down (mostly down) rollercoaster ever since about his behavior being erratic.

Was it about then, or later, that Dex(and by extension us) began to have doubts about Harry's being 100% right about him? Even to the point of questioning Harry's motives, if I remember right...

Daryl: I didn't start watching live until last season and didn't follow the thread that closely before then. So forgive me if I'm bringing up old news but I found your post interesting. You really think Dexter could stop by his own choosing?
post #5147 of 6855
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Daryl: I didn't start watching live until last season and didn't follow the thread that closely before then. So forgive me if I'm bringing up old news but I found your post interesting. You really think Dexter could stop by his own choosing?

I do. During season 2, he held hiself back from killing one of the men who killed his mother. He has a code which means that he can choose not to kill people who don't fit his code. Additionally, he has emotionally grown up over the seasons and formed more than just fond attachments with people. He learned to love Rita. He loved Lumen. He certainly loves Harrison. I think he could change but Harry told him this is what he was and I don't think he wants to change enough yet. He almost was able to in season 5 but held back. In season 6, he almost embraced Brother Sam's philosophies. At the same time, Deb has been moving more to morally ambiguous with season 5, letting the killers go. I think there is a purposeful crucible here.
post #5148 of 6855
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You really think Dexter could stop by his own choosing?
The old theory is serial killers CAN'T stop.
However, this has been proven wrong (see Green River Killer, the BTK guy, etc.).
post #5149 of 6855
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I think he could change but Harry told him this is what he was and I don't think he wants to change enough yet..

So in some twisted way Dexter is trying to be the person his father thought of him as? I remember the show skirting around the issue of whether Dexter was made or born to be who he is. They dropped it though without ever resolving the issue if I'm remembering right.. So are you saying that Harry, acting with the best intentions to keep his son safe, ironically turned him into a monster? I'd agree more except for the puppy. The young Dex seemed to think he would do it harm if it stayed. Course he might think that because Harry has convinced him its his true nature..
post #5150 of 6855
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So in some twisted way Dexter is trying to be the person his father thought of him as? I remember the show skirting around the issue of whether Dexter was made or born to be who he is. They dropped it though without ever resolving the issue if I'm remembering right.. So are you saying that Harry, acting with the best intentions to keep his son safe, ironically turned him into a monster? I'd agree more except for the puppy. The young Dex seemed to think he would do it harm if it stayed. Course he might think that because Harry has convinced him its his true nature..

That's pretty much exactly what I am saying. Dexter told his dad that he wouldn't have hurt the puppy. In an early season childhood flashback, Dexter killed a dog from next door whose barking kept his mother awake. Later, when a jerky neighbor had a barking dog that kept Rita and the kids awake, he stole it and Rita gave it away to a loving family. There was some inner dialogue about dogs not liking him but that seems to be gone and/or forgotten.
post #5151 of 6855
Part of the Dexter puppy thing is most real serial killers begin torturing animals from a very early age and graduate to humans when they get older.
This was the point of including the scene in this series.
post #5152 of 6855
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That's pretty much exactly what I am saying. Dexter told his dad that he wouldn't have hurt the puppy. In an early season childhood flashback, Dexter killed a dog from next door whose barking kept his mother awake. Later, when a jerky neighbor had a barking dog that kept Rita and the kids awake, he stole it and Rita gave it away to a loving family. There was some inner dialogue about dogs not liking him but that seems to be gone and/or forgotten.

Hmm, good point. I like your theory. So, in essence, Dexter had a troubled childhood brought on by witnessing his mother's death. Thats understandable. But Harry didn't see it that way. He saw the killing of animals by Dex in much the same way that oink describes and overreacted. Instead of seeing it as Dexter reacting to trauma, he thought he was seeing his son's true nature, and out of fear for his survival turned him into exactly what he was afraid he would become. Ironic. The importance of this is of course that it offers Dexter at least a chance of redemption as well as making his character much more complex. Kudos, Mr. Zero.
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Part of the Dexter puppy thing is most real serial killers begin torturing animals from a very early age and graduate to humans when they get older.
This was the point of including the scene in this series.

I have heard this and am not sure that it is that much of a causation perhaps being more like a correlation along the lines of: most serial killers have done sadistic acts to animals at young ages but most children who do sadistic acts to animal do not turn out to be serial killers. In the flashbacks we've seen, Harry always told Dexter that he was in fact a serial killer. I don't think Dexter ever really had a choice. There doesn't seem to be a doubt that Dexter says he has a physical need to kill, but again, if you are able to control it to the degree that Dexter does, he should be able to control it even more.

http://my.counseling.org/2010/03/16/children-who-abuse-animals/

"While most serial killers have animal abuse or torture in common, the reverse is not necessarily true. Just because a child has abused an animal does not predict a future as a mass murderer."

Apparently, some animals are serial killers:

http://www.cracked.com/article_19737_5-terrifying-serial-killers-who-happened-to-be-animals.html
Edited by daryl zero - 10/12/12 at 1:24pm
post #5154 of 6855
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Part of the Dexter puppy thing is most real serial killers begin torturing animals from a very early age and graduate to humans when they get older.
This was the point of including the scene in this series.

That is true. There are some other common traits but this is a major warning sign. I guess Harry was ahead of his time.
post #5155 of 6855
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I have heard this and am not sure that it is that much of a causation perhaps being more like a correlation along the lines of: most serial killers have done sadistic acts to animals at young ages but most children who do sadistic acts to animal do not turn out to be serial killers.
True, but it does show a prediliction for sadism.
Whether it eventually involves murdering humans is something else....

My favorite website.wink.gif
post #5156 of 6855
One of the best Shows in a long time. They are setting things up nice with many different things going on!
post #5157 of 6855
Very good episode. That guy is a creep, can't wait till he's on the slab. How about Louis? eek.gif
post #5158 of 6855
This is just another tv procedural now isn't it? Take out the flashes of nudity and it would fit right in with CSI or any other CBS cop show...
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This is just another tv procedural now isn't it? Take out the flashes of nudity and it would fit right in with CSI or any other CBS cop show...

Your sarcasm will get you nowhere sir!, good day to you!!! biggrin.gif;)
post #5160 of 6855
Well, if this is to be the 'Breaking In Deb 101' episode, so be it. Not that it's terrible and it did have to happen
given there's 21 episodes to go. Our Russian bad guy is a great adversary. Too bad he shares weight this
season and likely falls to the side of Dexter's co-workers in Miami Metro. Rumors of no 'Heavy' must be true.

The convenient Louis exit was a little too tidy, but so far we're in that kind of mode this season.
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