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post #5701 of 5949
12/12/12 at 8:12am
When watching this last episode, I just assumed that the entire car crash was a staged event by Deb and Batista. Nothing seemed genuine about it at all. They could easily have had the car flipped and dragged by a tow truck or something to create the effect. Deb really didn't look hurt at all - the cast could have just been added for effect.

I suppose in hindsight that it really could have occurred, but frankly, I really hope not since the whole thing seemed to fake to me.
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post #5702 of 5949
12/12/12 at 8:51am
I think the crash was genuine enough--when she was on the phone with Dexter beforehand, she was already sounding drowsy. There are just too many unanswered questions about this scenario.
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post #5703 of 5949
12/12/12 at 8:54am
Speaking of Batista, this is his last season? Or, will he not retire or be part of the show as a restaurant owner?

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post #5704 of 5949
12/12/12 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

When watching this last episode, I just assumed that the entire car crash was a staged event by Deb and Batista. Nothing seemed genuine about it at all. They could easily have had the car flipped and dragged by a tow truck or something to create the effect. Deb really didn't look hurt at all - the cast could have just been added for effect.
I suppose in hindsight that it really could have occurred, but frankly, I really hope not since the whole thing seemed to fake to me.
Why do you think Angel had something to do with it?confused.gif

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Originally Posted by PooperScooper View Post

Speaking of Batista, this is his last season? Or, will he not retire or be part of the show as a restaurant owner?
larry
I doubt this will be his last season.
For some reason, I suspect he will play a pivotal role in how the series will shake out next year.
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post #5705 of 5949
12/12/12 at 9:47am
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Originally Posted by FreeBaGeL View Post

I'm hoping that it turns out that Arlene did some copy-catting of Hannah and is the one who poisoned Deb. It really doesn't make any sense that it would be Deb or Hannah so I hope they don't try to pass that off on us.
For Deb, there's no way that she would have actually flipped her car and possibly died to do it. That's just way over the top.
For Hannah, it just way too obviously implicates her while at the same time has way too low a chance of being successful. She puts some extra medication in one of the waters in her fridge. Then she has to rely on...
1) Debra grabs that water on her way out the door, and not just while hanging around the house
2) The effects happen quick enough before she gets to her destination
3) She's driving fast when she passes out (not at a stop light or in a neighborhood) and doesn't have time to pull over
4) The resulting crash actually kills her
There's no way she would rely on all of that magically coming together.

Playing devil's advocate here...wouldn't the same reasons Hannah wouldn't have done it also apply to Arlene? Are we supposed to believe she was just really lucky? I don't know how it will play out, but it had to be a setup. I kinda like the idea the accident was faked.
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post #5706 of 5949
12/12/12 at 10:36am
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Playing devil's advocate here...wouldn't the same reasons Hannah wouldn't have done it also apply to Arlene? Are we supposed to believe she was just really lucky? I don't know how it will play out, but it had to be a setup. I kinda like the idea the accident was faked.

There are definitely a few reasons how and why Arlene could be involved. Wouldn't even put it past her to try and set up Hannah, even going so far as to place a strand of blond hair that may have been left behind during their conversation in her car.

But I'm starting to think that this may be a scenario that is never definitively solved or the answer will simply be unsatisfactory given all of the sleuthing we've all done. I'm willing to bet that we (and others around the web) have thought this out more than the writers themselves.
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post #5707 of 5949
12/12/12 at 10:46am
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

I'm willing to bet that we (and others around the web) have thought this out more than the writers themselves.
I agree.

There are some really competent Sherlocks around here and we may have over-thunk this.wink.gif
Edited by oink - 12/12/12 at 10:51am
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post #5708 of 5949
12/12/12 at 10:59am
Case in point:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/coy-dexter-producers-hint-at-huge-plot-holes-in-se,30614/
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post #5709 of 5949
12/12/12 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

When watching this last episode, I just assumed that the entire car crash was a staged event by Deb and Batista. Nothing seemed genuine about it at all. They could easily have had the car flipped and dragged by a tow truck or something to create the effect. Deb really didn't look hurt at all - the cast could have just been added for effect.
I suppose in hindsight that it really could have occurred, but frankly, I really hope not since the whole thing seemed to fake to me.

It would explain why there was a different car at the body shop than the one she normaly drives. tongue.gif
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post #5710 of 5949
12/12/12 at 11:18am
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Playing devil's advocate here...wouldn't the same reasons Hannah wouldn't have done it also apply to Arlene? Are we supposed to believe she was just really lucky? I don't know how it will play out, but it had to be a setup. I kinda like the idea the accident was faked.

The difference between Hannah and Arlene is that Hannah is a seasoned killer and Arlene is not. As Hannah herself put it, she's too good to screw up that badly. I'd have a much easier time buying that Arlene did a bad job hiding the substance and didn't have a good plan put together.

Also, Arlene could afford to take a stab at it with a lowish chance of success because, unlike Hannah, she's not immediately incriminating herself as soon as something bad happens to Deb. If Hannah were to do it, she'd have to be 100% sure it was going to work because that's her only shot. The same can't be said for Arlene, and in this case even with it failing it got Deb off her back.
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post #5711 of 5949
12/12/12 at 11:22am
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

Case in point:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/coy-dexter-producers-hint-at-huge-plot-holes-in-se,30614/

Seems like a pretty douchey approach to the subject on their part.
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post #5712 of 5949
12/12/12 at 11:38am
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Why do you think Angel had something to do with it?confused.gif
Just based on the conversation that Batista and Deb had earlier. Angel questioned Deb whether they should go so hard after Dex's girlfriend - Deb responded that she had told Dex she would be going after Strahotski. Then from Angel's brief talk with Dex in the hospital. Everything seemed a little staged to me, so I just assumed Deb got Angel to assist her with staging a crash to set a trap in motion for Hanna. Obviously I could just be reading to much into it, or it could have just been weak acting/writing in those scenes.
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post #5713 of 5949
12/12/12 at 11:43am
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Originally Posted by FreeBaGeL View Post

The difference between Hannah and Arlene is that Hannah is a seasoned killer and Arlene is not. As Hannah herself put it, she's too good to screw up that badly. I'd have a much easier time buying that Arlene did a bad job hiding the substance and didn't have a good plan put together.
Also, Arlene could afford to take a stab at it with a lowish chance of success because, unlike Hannah, she's not immediately incriminating herself as soon as something bad happens to Deb. If Hannah were to do it, she'd have to be 100% sure it was going to work because that's her only shot. The same can't be said for Arlene, and in this case even with it failing it got Deb off her back.

Arlene is a high-strung ball of nerves who probably owns a few prescriptions for anxiety/depression medication herself.
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post #5714 of 5949
12/12/12 at 12:13pm
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Seems like a pretty douchey approach to the subject on their part.

Its The Onion. Its not news, its satirical jokes.

Btw, as I think about it, Arlene makes sense as it basically keeps both Hannah and Deborah clean so to speak.
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post #5715 of 5949
12/12/12 at 12:45pm
Can't see it being Arlene. How would she have known that Deb was taking anxiety medication, or that an overdose would put you to sleep, or that it would cause a fortuitous car accident, or that you wouldn't be able to taste a bunch of it dissolved in water? Too many holes.

Deb drugged Deb.
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post #5716 of 5949
12/12/12 at 12:50pm
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Can't see it being Arlene. How would she have known that Deb was taking anxiety medication, or that an overdose would put you to sleep, or that it would cause a fortuitous car accident, or that you wouldn't be able to taste a bunch of it dissolved in water?

Deb drugged Deb.

Yes. And maybe the accident was just that... an accident. Maybe Deb miscalculated the effects of the drugs or how fast they would kick in and was overcome in her car rather than safely at home (or wherever she wanted to be found).
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post #5717 of 5949
12/12/12 at 12:56pm
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Can't see it being Arlene. How would she have known that Deb was taking anxiety medication, or that an overdose would put you to sleep, or that it would cause a fortuitous car accident, or that you wouldn't be able to taste a bunch of it dissolved in water? Too many holes.
Deb drugged Deb.

Assuming it was Arlene, she would have to break in to Deb's home (possible), rummage through her medicine cabinet to find it (possible) and then open a bottle of water to drop the pills in to dissolve (assuming there isn't an open bottle already). And for some reason I have no trouble believing that Arelene would know a thing or two about overdosing on medication. And she did have a second interview scheduled with Deb for the following day, which is where Deb was headed when she blacked out.

Of course, you also have to wonder why someone wouldn't notice that the bottle of water that they pulled from the fridge was already open. Or how would you know that they would be taking a bottle of water with them, or the tainted bottle specifically?

Either the writers were very clever putting together this scenario, or very sloppy. I don't see any plausible answer to this that doesn't leave any holes. I am leaning towards it being an accident.
Edited by hhaller - 12/12/12 at 1:02pm
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post #5718 of 5949
12/12/12 at 1:28pm
Deb "did what she had to do." Don't know exactly how she made sure she wouldn't be seriously injured in the car crash, but saving her brother was worth the risk.

I hope Hannah gets off. Look forward to seeing that beautiful face next season.
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post #5719 of 5949
12/12/12 at 1:46pm
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Can't see it being Arlene. How would she have known that Deb was taking anxiety medication, or that an overdose would put you to sleep, or that it would cause a fortuitous car accident, or that you wouldn't be able to taste a bunch of it dissolved in water? Too many holes.
Deb drugged Deb.

Maybe Hannah told her.
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post #5720 of 5949
12/12/12 at 2:59pm
I agree with arch...the scenario with the smallest plothole is Deb drugged Deb. Maybe she miscalculated, maybe not, but as others have postulated that water would have tasted like sh*tty Xanax. There's no way she would ingest it without knowing. Now, if the writer's stick with pinning it on Hannah it's not like they haven't left lazy holes before. However, they've really set the scene for a Deb frame job. It's as visible as the "masterful" surprise ending that Olmos was dead last year. I just can't see them using any other option.
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post #5721 of 5949
12/12/12 at 3:06pm
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Originally Posted by hhaller View Post

Case in point:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/coy-dexter-producers-hint-at-huge-plot-holes-in-se,30614/
I read the headline and said "Whoa" and closed the window.wink.gif

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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

Can't see it being Arlene. How would she have known that Deb was taking anxiety medication, or that an overdose would put you to sleep, or that it would cause a fortuitous car accident, or that you wouldn't be able to taste a bunch of it dissolved in water? Too many holes.
Deb drugged Deb.
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Yes. And maybe the accident was just that... an accident. Maybe Deb miscalculated the effects of the drugs or how fast they would kick in and was overcome in her car rather than safely at home (or wherever she wanted to be found).
These explanations are far more likely IMO.
For Arlene to do it stretches my Suspension of Disbelief way too far.
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post #5722 of 5949
12/12/12 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

However, they've really set the scene for a Deb frame job. It's as visible as the "masterful" surprise ending that Olmos was dead last year. I just can't see them using any other option.
Precisely - any other outcome and it's just the writers screwing with you because they can.

The question for me is what do they do with it? My official guess is that they let the viewer know now, then use it as a subterranean backstory for the last season. They've been pushing Deb toward the crazy side of life for some time now, and that has to interfere with Dex's life at some point. His downfall will be loving a crazy woman, the one human he thought he could trust.

I'm still holding out hope for more Hannah next season - could happen smile.gif
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post #5723 of 5949
12/12/12 at 4:04pm
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Precisely - any other outcome and it's just the writers screwing with you because they can.
The question for me is what do they do with it? My official guess is that they let the viewer know now, then use it as a subterranean backstory for the last season. They've been pushing Deb toward the crazy side of life for some time now, and that has to interfere with Dex's life at some point. His downfall will be loving a crazy woman, the one human he thought he could trust.
I'm still holding out hope for more Hannah next season - could happen smile.gif
Great minds think alike. Yes, I think Deb's setup of Hannah will be an ongoing issue next season. I just don't see Dex getting over it whether Hannah moves on the next plane or not (I'm pretty sure she does, but like you I'll keep my fingers crossed). I really liked Lila in S2 because of the performance and chemistry of Jaime Murray. She was crazy as a loon and you knew she would self destruct, but Hannah, dangerous as she is, makes you want to risk it...at least for now. I wouldn't want to get her pissed at me. eek.gif
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post #5724 of 5949
12/12/12 at 4:17pm
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Originally Posted by fjames View Post

Precisely - any other outcome and it's just the writers screwing with you because they can.
The question for me is what do they do with it? My official guess is that they let the viewer know now, then use it as a subterranean backstory for the last season. They've been pushing Deb toward the crazy side of life for some time now, and that has to interfere with Dex's life at some point. His downfall will be loving a crazy woman, the one human he thought he could trust.
I'm still holding out hope for more Hannah next season - could happen smile.gif
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post #5725 of 5949
12/12/12 at 11:19pm
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Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
If it's not a dream, the only possibility is Doakes comes on-board with Dex in place of Harry. Not sure if I like the idea, but it would lead to some really great back and forth from the old days.

Just had to read 2 pages to catch up and in reply to this: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Holy crap, I hope so. Doakes was one of my favorite characters. Not necessarily in place of Harry, but maybe another friend in his head to yap with. It's been a while since I saw the first 2 seasons, I hope the seasons are released as a single item so I can go back and watch on bluray.
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post #5726 of 5949
12/13/12 at 10:55am
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Just had to read 2 pages to catch up and in reply to this: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Holy crap, I hope so. Doakes was one of my favorite characters. Not necessarily in place of Harry, but maybe another friend in his head to yap with. It's been a while since I saw the first 2 seasons, I hope the seasons are released as a single item so I can go back and watch on bluray.

It would be fun. A fresh set of MFers next season! wink.gif

The only other to visit the inner sanctum was Laura Moser, but she was with Harry I think.
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post #5727 of 5949
12/13/12 at 11:19am
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It would be fun. A fresh set of MFers next season! wink.gif
The only other to visit the inner sanctum was Laura Moser, but she was with Harry I think.
...and Brian for an ep or 3.
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post #5728 of 5949
12/13/12 at 5:30pm
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...and Brian for an ep or 3.

Correct - missed that one wink.gif
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post #5729 of 5949
12/13/12 at 6:03pm
Out of curiosity, those of you who don't watch previews, do you also eschew movie trailers?
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post #5730 of 5949
12/13/12 at 7:40pm
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Out of curiosity, those of you who don't watch previews, do you also eschew movie trailers?

Not me. Love trailers. They're usually better than the movies.
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