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Its definately not going to end with them running off. Unless it does.

Agreed.

Perhaps sitting ....
In a pool of red stuff ....

Nah, they've already done that.

Seriously, I can't really hazard a guess.
There are so many possibilities where/how the series can end...

Anyone want to go on the record with a prediction?

I don't think that covers all the possibilities. Unless it does.

I'm guessing that S8 spins out of control with Dexter squeeking out somehow. His on/off again relationship with Hannah allows for the possibility of excape or happiness, but ends up being a mutual elimination party (or perhaps she leaves Dex dead and she goes off to Argentina with his go bag).

The biggest question will be: Does Dex die, is arrested, or goes on the lam?

IF he his killed, I think most, if not all, of the main characters will survive.

IF he is arrested, I believe will be because he makes a mistake tabling some of the other characters.

IF he goes on the lam, it will be with Deb, not Hannah....she goes to the table for the last time.

The other character's fate kinda hinges on what happens to Dex.

The biggest question has nothing to do with what happens onscreen. Its whether Showtime can talk the showrunners into another season. With the best ratings for their entire run coming last year, and with the Walking Dead proving a cable show could actually beat the broadcast networks in the most prized demographics, its no wonder Showtime is having 2nd thoughts.about ending the series. Even if they do decide to end the run they might want to have the option of a movie or special to fall back on. Frankly, to me, its that desire to leave the door open that will decide Dex's fate. If the show ends completely next year Dexter dies. A 100+ years of hollywood tradition says he has to pay for his sins, just like every gangster hero of the thirties had to. If he doesn't meet his maker then Deb will...but I still think it will come down to the two of them with Deb being the one to walk away.Either way, it will be Angel putting the final events in motion, I think. And if Deb goes down it will be him sealing Dexter's fate.

It would come out of left field, but I can imagine Lumen coming back and using what Dexter taught her about his craft to hunt him down. That would be kinda poetic. .

I like the middle scenario..

Everyone thought Tony Soprano was a goner as well headed into his last season. Sometimes evil goes unpunished in the world of entertainment, just like real life.

It's certainly possible that Dexter will die or get arrested in season 8, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is still walking around free at the end, either. But I hope it is the final season, they've built the story up to the breaking point and just dragging it out for the sake of money won't do this show justice.

We have talked about this in the past, but the official word still remains Dexter is done with S8.
My above post assumes that to be the case....at least until we hear otherwise.

True, however it would be great if they break the mold.

I am not sure the fans could really swallow Deb and Dex running off to Argentina to be happy ever after...so, yeah, one or both will likely take a header.

I didn't think of that angle; it sure would be outta "left field."

Agreed.

One thing the history of the show has taught us whatever happens we wont see it coming. Which is nice. I wouldn't mind a Dexter Movie at all.

Its also hard to kill off a character that narrates unless it is the last thing that happens in the show.

Here is how it goes down

Angel investigates LaGuerta's disapperance and is on to Dexter. He hones in and Dexter and Dexter is about to take him out. Deb enters the kill room and has to make a choice between Angel or Dexter. Flash back to LaGuerta and Deb kills Dexter. Forward 20 years and Harrison is living with Deb. Last thing we see is that Harrison has followed after his old man and preparing to knife a bad guy.

For some reason, I flashed on the opening of American Beauty...

Not bad at all....
If I was betting, this is probably the most likely conclusion.

I wouldn't mind that at all.

ARGENTINA (11/18/12):

I'm knocking the last five episodes of "Dexter" this weekend before the year ends. Watch and mock me later as I stick my neck in the chopping block about stuff that has already happened that I'm not aware of (going into this totally spoiler-free).

WOW!!! I was sure "Argentina" was going to be the equivalent of last year's "Nebraska" episode, a 'take the week off' episode before we closed strong on the last four. WRONG! This might be the best episode of "Dexter" in years (yes, even with the kids back in the scene) because the focus was squarely on the characters, and the events/consequences of the past few weeks are adding up. Holy s*** at LaGuerta standing next to Dexter's boat's name. On any normal episode that shot would be farky hilarious, but here it makes you feel she's about to tighten the noose on Dex. The gay bar scene was incredible (not to mention I called it! ), like the best Bond-meets-villain scenes where two characters have a conversation that's both incredible but also plausible (within the show's pulp fiction narrative) that humanizes both. Dexter can't talk Isaac out of seeking revenge for Victor when Dexter himself has done those things (and recklessly, particularly in the past two seasons). The Deb-confesses-Dex-her-love scene dropped my jaw (even with the opening preview pretty much spelling that it was coming) and raised Jennifer Carpenter's stock with me. While Michael C. Hall has made his complex role of Dexter Morgan seem easy this year, between Ray Stevenson's masterclass of how to play a compelling bad guy guest star and Jennifer reaching deep to touch Deb's raw feelings (you can't tell me some of what went on in these actors' personal lives didn't come through in that scene), I'm starting to notice that Hall isn't the towering acting standout as he was in previous seasons. He's just another good actor (OK, still the better actor on the show) in a cast that right now has four great actors delivering the goods.

[ASIDE: BTW, small caveat about the gay bar scene. If Isaac was so careful about his secret, why did he go to that bar? Cops tailing him would know now where he was. Did he know Dex was going to find him there? Or, because the underling cleared the killing attempt with the Kiev mob hierarchy, Isaac doesn't care anymore if anyone finds out he's gay? I just found it odd that, for a mobster that had kept his sexual identity a well-kept secret for years, Isaac would just have his driver drive into a bar with cops tailing him.]

Four great actors I said? That's right, this was the episode in which Yvonne Strahovski's Hannah has won me over. My favorite scene in "Argentina" (and on any other season/episode the bar or the Deb-Dex confessional scenes would have been the easy standout) was Dexter's "booty call" with Hannah. Normally Dex not knowing what "booty call" is (really??!! ) and the scene cutting away as the sex was about to begin (again, Strahovski, hello?!?!) would be strikeouts. But the real chemistry that came through as Dex casually talked to Hannah about his days, the Russian mosbter that wants to kill him (and why), Hannah giving him her car, etc. was just too freaking incredible for words. This was like "Leave It To Beaver" or "Father Knows Best," bizarro-world version which both felt authentic and dark but also hilarious. Dexter was never so relaxed and open, not even with Lumen (whose dark passenger eventually left, unlike Hannah's that has clearly taken permanent residence there), and their wordless look after Hannah says 'your sister's your lieutenant?' at the breakfast table was the fuel, to me, that fires-up Deb's outrage when she realizes Deb and Hannah have hooked-up. Like Deb says, Dex went directly to the person that could have hurt Deb (and sent her running toward her former step-nience's pop! ) and the knowledge of that bond is what hurts Deb the most. If Deb ever dies on the show (perish the thought) she uttered her epitaph: "My brother is a serial killer and I'm more f***ed-up than he is."

Season 7's callback to great "Dexter" seasons from its early years continued with Astor remembering her father Paul (the pot wasn't arbitrary chosen for the plot, the writers clearly went back and watched the little details), the date when Dex cancelled his marina rental (Season 2 took place immediately after S1, so the timeline is accurate), Isaac bringing up Dexter's dead wife (Season 4, to which S7 will now be lumped alongside the first two seasons as the show's golden age), etc. Funny, "Argentina" had only two action sequences (Isaac shooting at Dex and Dex's struggle with the goon sent to kill Isaac, both of which came back for some delightful banter when Isaac was sitting in the apartment) and to me they felt out of place. This episode was all about the talking and the meeting of characters, and even with the kids in the mix and the Batista subplot paying off (of course a cop's bar is going to be packed with cops... love that quick aside to put our mind at ease about Dex's relatives) the one line of dialogue that hit me the most in "Argentina" was when Dex casually saying 'Every family that I have left is here, under one roof. So why do I feel the need to leave right away?' Powerful s***.

Nothing would please me more than for "Dexter" to end with Dexter reflecting on the dozens upon dozens upon dozens of chances at happiness he had... all of which he let slip through his fingers beause he let his dark passenger take over his life. This makes the very casual scene of Dex talking with Astor on the beach about 'one guy that set me straight' and how Dex wishes he had questioned him (another nail in the 'Harry was wrong' train of thought the show's been dropping since Season 5, when Dex beat the guy that was making trouble for Astor's friend... see a connection?), along with Hannah wishing she had Dexter's anonimity while out in the open, so moving. This season is so good even scenes with Dexter's kids in them are turning out to be story-advancing, character-developing AAA gold.

Prediction (for something you already know): LaGuerta is going to get some excuse to get Dexter's boat examined. DNA of that videogame-making, former Miami Metro intern geek Louis will be found (I don't think Dex had the time or thought to clean all of it as thoroughly as he normally would) and, because that guy is gone and there were plenty of witnesses of the animosity between Dex and the intern, that will be used to nail Dexter somehow. Since Dex's boat is obviously so out in the open for anyone (i.e. Maria) have access to that's where I think Dex's weakest link is. Why else would the show Maria near the boat, where previous S7 episode made a point to show Louis' blood spilling all over the Slice of Life's deck? Also, something bad has to happen to Jamie. She's pretty, she drives to Orlando to pick Dexter's kid (wasn't she a college student?), she's a saint... but she f***s like a champ (and Louis had her... EEEUUU! ). Please tell me her head will end up on a stick or something, she's too good to be true.

HELTER SKELTER (11/25/12):

Don't you love when even the bad episodes of "Dexter" don't suck as bad as the stink-bombs from the past couple of seasons?

Seriously, "Helter Skelter" was the weakest episode of S7 so far (Emaych's 'Planet Dexter' theorem fully at work) but it still managed to advance the plot by giving us that enigmatic look on Hannah's face at the end (Dex telegraphed it early when she wondered if his human side would repel Hannah if she were to see it). I'm sorry, but after "Argentina" connected so strongly with character-based dialogue scenes (some of the best in the series' history) every character went back to coming across as a type, a whim of the script instead of actual human beings trapped in a pulpy fictitious narrative (again, "Argentina"). This episode's team-up plot of bad guy teaming up with hero (or anti-hero in "Dexter's" case) felt too freaking convoluted and superhero-like ("X-Men 2" anyone?). I'll give the show props for springing Isaac kidnapping Hannah to force Dexter to help him (and that he'd been tailing Dex's nightly visits to Hannah... don't recall any scene that tipped us this was coming), but the whole episode felt like the Isaac and Hannah seasons storylines colliding into an incompatible whole. The arson guy was too obvious from when he first appeared and I actually welcome these 'one off' villains (like 'Sweet Tooth' last season, or the female cop in S5), but this one just felt a little awkward given most of these 'one off' bad guys appear and die on the same episode and this guy is obviously going to be around for at least one more.

Lots of action, blood and shooting (which in a show like Dex, were kills are usually stealth and with sharp weapons, firing guns still feels weird) but not a lot of heart. I love the post-show discussion that Isaac last's parting thoughts to Dex about what he should do are a trap so Dex walks into the trap of opening up to Hannah, or that in his dying moments he was telling the truth (BTW, f*** that George guy for shooting Isaac like a punk... I want George on the slab more than anyone else so that Dex plays with him real good before plunging the dagger). That look on Hannah's face is open for interpretation, and I'll go the easy route: Hannah will be disappointed Dex is more human than killer (as I assume some of us must be that Dex is really creeping away from the serial killer ways into overtly expressing the wish to be more human) and that will set-up the finale. Sad to see Ray Stevenson go (and the producers really hired him for the season, so he's getting paid for episodes he's not appearing in so his departure in "Helter Skelter" would actually come as a shock), especially since the 'hitmen coming' plot feels so generic and uninspired; Isaac was too good a guest villain to go out in such a punk way (except for him letting Dex borrow his phone so Dex could find clues of Hannah's location; again, Isaac was too smart for that s***), though at least Ray's death was cooler and he got it better than Peter Weller's bitch way of dying in S5. A lot of humor from the supporting characters this time (Mazuka's 'why are my people first in math and immolation?' , Batista bitching about health code violations and other restaurant headaches, arson guy 'popping,' Matthews telling LaGuerta the only help he'd give her would be 'a lift back to Cuba,' etc.) but, after the heart and soul of "Dexter" were on full display in "Argentina," it was tough to sit through the blood and guts of "Helter Skelter." Again, though, even the first mediocre episode of S7 is ininitely preferable to the dogs from S5 and S6.

Prediction (to make me look bad in a few hours): Easy, Matthews (nice to have Geoff Pierson back ) will somehow stab LaGuerta in the back as he uses Mari'a search for the real BHB to get back in position, although I don't know if that will come before, after or while he steps over the Morgans to get back into a perch of power. I guess my previous theory of Louis' blood being found on Dexter's boat is gone now that Dex will really scrub the Slice of Life to remove evidence Isaac was there... unless he's careless and the police (per a Maria/Matthews enquiry) finds blood samples of both Isaac and Louis' blood (how can Dex talk his way out of that?).

THE DARK... WHATEVER (12/2/12)

Can it be possible? Is Season 7 of "Dexter" falling apart before my eyes? It's not that this episode was horrendous (bad "Dexter" is still better-than-91%-of-TV shows); Dexter taking ownership of the monster he really is and LaGuerta/Batista closing in on Dexter's secret are freaking HUGE developments. It's just that, after seven masterful episodes (climaxing in "Argentina," perhaps one of the best "Dexter" episodes of all time), "Helter Skelter" and now "The Dark... Whatever" feel like they're dialing back the intensity and going back to the 'clutch' of convenient bad guys (Hannah's dad, the torching guy straight out of a bad "CSI" episode) and predictable storytelling. This being the first episode of S7 without Ray Stevenson didn't help as his absence was dearly felt. And good lord, is the most incompetent police department on the TV back full-tilt with that 'Quinn shoots George' sequence (there aren't enough eye-rolls for that, especially since I wanted George to get it from Dex) except for that amazing 'fade from black' final scene where Deborah tells Angel about Hannah's dad message. "Dexter" has never pulled that 'show's over, but wait, there's this final shocking teaser/scene' that you expect on a "Twilight" or "Harry Potter" movie, and buy has that left me pumped for the last two episodes.

Back to our regularly-scheduled mediocre episode though. Compared with the swamps of seasons past, at the end of a mediocre S7 episode at least it feels like we've moved somewhere. My jaw dropped when Matthews dropped to LaGuerta that he knew the killer of Dex's mother (yet another callback to S2 that's paying off in spades for the diehard fans). My heart beast faster when Dex and Hannah spoke in code at the end about what he did for her (which I'm 100% sure she pushed him to do by playing up the damsel in distress that goes to the bank all despondent) . And you have to give props to the writers though: after we let them have it last year with the "twist" about professor Gellar, this season they had a character that was a red herring in "Helter Skelter" and early in "The Dark... Whatever" they come out and say 'come on guys, we're not THAT freaking predictable' (or, as Dex put it, 'Bosso is not a killer, he's just odd' ).

Still, since the big moment of the episode is Dex taking ownership of the truth about his nature, the monster he's been all along, I'm amazed how badly the show botched the moment the dark passenger is done away with. Not only does it come after Dex conveniently breaking into another unguarded office (are there no security cameras in Miami buildings?) but I have to ask, so what that there wasn't a dark passenger? The TV show broke from the book's storylines (in which The Dark Passenger is an actual, palpable presence/entity that feels whole and separate from Dexter even though it still qualifies, as Hannah put to Dex, as a feeling) several years ago, so the realization by Dex through Hannah's insights feel somewhat hollow. It's not that the dark passenge not exisitng is a big deal as much as (a) being truthful with Hannah is what brought her response which truly made him self-aware (something nobody else in his circle that knows his secret, be it Lumen or Deborah or any of his slab victims) and (b) that 'Harry' finally came out in the open as being 'no more real' than Dex's dark passenger (no more 'ghost' talk I guess).

We're down to the final two. I'm going to go on a limb and say Dexter remains a free man as the season finale ends but LaGuerta, Matthews and Deb (who will be conflicted about Dex being too close to Hannah) will be his Javerts throughout S8. It's fitting, as Miami Metro has been Dex's playground to do his deeds and shop around for victims, that the cops he works him ends up being the formidable opponents that either bring him down or he outsmarts one final time before his life (and, more heartbreakingly, those of his loved one's) is shattered forever.

See you later for the final 2.
Edited by dad1153 - 12/31/12 at 6:48am

I guess I don't watch tv right. For me its all about feeling, a gut reaction to whether I like it or not. I don't think about it too much or think of myself as a critic-I'm watching for my own enjoyment. Now, when I do have an emotional reaction to what I'm watching I do think about that, trying to understand why I was moved by what I saw. Thinking leads me to wanting to talk about it as well as wanting to know what others thought, which is why I'm here. But as far as thinking while watching I usually don't other than to follow the plot. I'm more than willing to trust the writers and accept the reality they create. It would be different if I was a critic-then I'd be getting paid to analyze what I'm watching and for sharing my thoughts. But since noone is willing to give me money for my pearls of wisdom I don't watch quite as critically as some of you. I either like it or not. The reason for this explaination is simple-I find myself at odds with much that has been written here and am trying to understand why that is.When everyone was praising the early episodes of this season I wasn't enjoying it much. And just when I thought the season had found itself and was as good as ever, thats when there suddenly was a lot of negativity from others. So I'm definately out of step on the accepted way to view this show.But thats okay, because I'm enjoying myself.

And that's all that matters.

I have dedicated my life to that principle...

Somehow, I'm not surprised .

Brother oink follows an honorable path, that of the road not beaten down by the stumbling herd, and one that I myself have tried to follow. The world is full of conformists, and where has that gotten us?

The macro answer is our beloved country is about to make Mike Judge's Idiocracy a reality.

The micro answer is it is New Year's Eve, it's almost 5:00 PM, and I have a shriveled liver crying out for more abuse....

Looks like Season 8 of Dexter will Start June 30 this year. Interesting News.

From the "Hot Off The Press" Thread (top of 'HDTV Programming' page).

Winter TCA Tour Notes
Showtime’s David Nevins On End Game For ‘Dexter’, ‘Californication’ & ‘Homeland’
By Nellie Andreeva, Deadline.com - Jan. 12, 2013

With Dexter headed into Season 8 and Californication into Season 6, attention understandably is focused on Showtime’s plans for ending the two series. Both series have found a second wind, hitting some of their best ratings in their most recent seasons. The two-year pickup of Dexter for Seasons 7 and 8 was unofficially billed as the serial killer drama’s final act. But, at Showtime’s TCA session today, Showtime entertainment president David Nevins stopped short of committing to an end date for the show. “We’re not making any announcements today about when Dexter will end,” he said, adding, “I think I will clarify before Dexter goes on this season (in June). We have clear end game in place, I can’t talk about it just yet.” Just how important Dexter has been to Showtime? “Dexter to Showtime is what Batman is to Warner Bros., it is a cornerstone franchise,” Nevins said.

Having a set end point is not as critical for Dexter‘s companion Homeland, Nevins said. “It is a show that is incredibly changeable if you haven’t noticed,” he said. “I think it’s got a really long life, it is on the rise, like Dexter.” While he admitted that he agrees with some of the criticism about the recent second season, Nevins said he personally liked it. “It started really strong and ended really strong,” he said. Speaking of Homeland‘s Season 2 ending, Nevins would not confirm whether star Damian Lewis will be back as a series regular next season.

On Californication, whose sixth season premieres tomorrow night, “we’ll make a decision about another season I think fairly quickly into this run,” Nevins said. “It’s a decision on year by year, season by season basis.”

Overall, giving series proper ending is “really important to me,” Nevins said. “It’s really important to me that our audience feels taken care of.” That is why Showtime decided to bring Big C as a limited series, he said.

Other notes from Showtime’s session:

– David Nevins on passing on Under The Dome, which has since been picked up to series by broadcast sibling CBS: “I really liked the script for Under the Dome but it always felt fundamentally not us and more network,” he said. “I tried at one point to push it, but I felt I was pushing it out of what it was meant to be. But I actually facilitated helping get the script to (CBS’) Nina (Tassler), and I think it’s found a really good home. I think it’s gonna be a really good show…I think it’s going be better in a broadcast environment than it would be on pay-cable.”

– Matt Damon will guest star in Season 2 of House of Lies, which premieres Sunday. “He stars as himself,” Nevins said. “He comes to those guys trying to figure out how he can get a charitable organization so he can compete better with (George) Clooney.”

– Episodes’ third season will premiere in early 2014 because creators David Crane and Jeffrey Klarik, who write every episode, have full creative freedom and scheduling flexibility. It will be “fairly split between London and Los Angeles.”

http://www.deadline.com/2013/01/showtimes-david-nevins-on-end-game-for-dexter-californication-homeland-tca/

I gotta wonder if we are up for a spin-off series and/or a major movie release for Dexter....