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post #6031 of 6855
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

Regarding Vogel...it's pretty obvious to me, since she worked with Miami Metro in years past, that Harry contacted her with his concerns about Dexter as a child and they worked out the code together. It looks like she's recruiting Dexter to help her with this latest serial killer....and...since she knows what's up with Dex and how he was directed by she and Harry, that she's totally on board with having a trained psycho take out trash psychos. One can always use that club in your golf bag when you need to get out of the rough.
I think she will ultimately become his downfall.
She knows WAY too much.wink.gif
post #6032 of 6855
That makes a lot more sense actually.
post #6033 of 6855
Maybe Dex has already killed Vogel and put her body in a an icebox. The character we are seeing only exists in Dexter's mind...oh, wait a minute, they already did that.
post #6034 of 6855
I don't think they want to repeat that season 6 nonsense.
post #6035 of 6855
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Originally Posted by lonwolf615 View Post

Maybe Dex has already killed Vogel and put her body in a an icebox. The character we are seeing only exists in Dexter's mind...oh, wait a minute, they already did that.
LOL.

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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

I don't think they want to repeat that season 6 nonsense.
Neither do I.
IMO, one of the few times the series blundered...
post #6036 of 6855
I thought that this season's Dexter got off to a great start. Watching Dexter's anger management issues and Deb's (understandable) emotional implosion was amazing. Hard to feel very sorry for Dexter, who if he hadn't been taught the "Code" would have killed a lot of innocents but would have long since been off the streets. Deb, though, is a genuinely tragic figure. She has always been, in her words, "in love with" Dexter. Thanks to her utter devotion to a psychopath, Deb finds herself in over her head as a result of, first, concealing Dexter's guilty secret with her silence and then by killing her boss, a dedicated police officer, in order to save Dexter again. No wonder Deb is a mess!

Dex is almost, although maybe not quite, as big a mess as Deb. It appeared to me that Dex would have killed the motorist who Dex stopped after being cut off by the guy, but didn't because he saw the guy's son in the back seat of his car. His reaction to his son's having broken a vase in his office was frightening. Dexter's naked anger and hostility toward his son over the broken vase deeply frightened the boy. No surprise there, it would have frightened me too.

The Vogel factor is fascinating. I don't pretend to know what the connection was between Vogel and Harry except that I am convinced there was one.
post #6037 of 6855
Can't wait for the next episode.
post #6038 of 6855
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I thought that this season's Dexter got off to a great start. Watching Dexter's anger management issues and Deb's (understandable) emotional implosion was amazing. Hard to feel very sorry for Dexter, who if he hadn't been taught the "Code" would have killed a lot of innocents but would have long since been off the streets. Deb, though, is a genuinely tragic figure. She has always been, in her words, "in love with" Dexter. Thanks to her utter devotion to a psychopath, Deb finds herself in over her head as a result of, first, concealing Dexter's guilty secret with her silence and then by killing her boss, a dedicated police officer, in order to save Dexter again. No wonder Deb is a mess!

Dex is almost, although maybe not quite, as big a mess as Deb. It appeared to me that Dex would have killed the motorist who Dex stopped after being cut off by the guy, but didn't because he saw the guy's son in the back seat of his car. His reaction to his son's having broken a vase in his office was frightening. Dexter's naked anger and hostility toward his son over the broken vase deeply frightened the boy. No surprise there, it would have frightened me too.

The Vogel factor is fascinating. I don't pretend to know what the connection was between Vogel and Harry except that I am convinced there was one.

It wouldn't be the first time Dex has killed an "innocent" (remember the redneck in the gas station restroom?). But he does seem a little more frayed around the edges now. I think Deb abandoning him has shaken him to the core. She was always his support mechanism and the one constant in his life (besides Harrison). He's slipping, and seems less in control of his emotions than in any previous season. The Vogel issue isn't going to help.
post #6039 of 6855
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Originally Posted by archiguy View Post

It wouldn't be the first time Dex has killed an "innocent" (remember the redneck in the gas station restroom?). But he does seem a little more frayed around the edges now. I think Deb abandoning him has shaken him to the core. She was always his support mechanism and the one constant in his life (besides Harrison). He's slipping, and seems less in control of his emotions than in any previous season. The Vogel issue isn't going to help.


I'm thinking he can't handle seeing himself through her eyes. He still wants to believe she can accept what he is if he can just make her understand. Deb's rejection of him has shaken his whole reality. Its one thing to think of yourself as a monster. Its a lot harder knowing someone you love agrees thats what you are. Dex can't deal with that. His carefully constucted world is falling apart, the illusions his life is built on shattered. Like Deb said, he needs her more than she needs him.
Edited by lonwolf615 - 7/7/13 at 10:45am
post #6040 of 6855
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post


The Vogel factor is fascinating. I don't pretend to know what the connection was between Vogel and Harry except that I am convinced there was one.

How this plays will be interesting, we hope. Perhaps Matthews knows part of that connection
and is responsible for her arrival. I hope the the missing 6 months from LaGuerta's death will
be explored in some form via flashback or whatever device. That's quite a chunk of unexplored time
from such a major event.
post #6041 of 6855
Oh Quinn LOL biggrin.gif
Imagine losing that date for the night eek.gif

Good episode.
post #6042 of 6855
Vogel is playing Dexter...
post #6043 of 6855
I remember when Dexter would only go after the killers who slipped through the cracks, as opposed to hiding evidence and impeding Miami Metro like he does nowadays.
post #6044 of 6855
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Vogel is playing Dexter...
Yes, she is.

She will be his undoing.
Things have been set in motion that put an end to our beloved series one way or the other.

At this point, I can see Vogel and Matthews as having formed a pact to end their careers by taking down the monster named Dexter Morgan.
I can also see Dex wising up to the conspiracy and offing both and going on the run with Deb and Harrison.

IF I am right....everyone on the thread owes my a beer (and I WILL collect).tongue.gif
post #6045 of 6855
I miss the old Dex. No one, and I mean NO ONE would ever be able to approach Dex this easily.
He would never just except this much at face value. There would be careful research and a little
spy work and still he would never trust what he sees.

Now, we have the Jason Stackhouse version of Dexter. 5 minutes of talk and he's in.

The Deb revelation is a nice cover for this lame bit of writing. Credit where it's due wink.gif

Sad Really
post #6046 of 6855
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

I miss the old Dex. No one, and I mean NO ONE would ever be able to approach Dex this easily.
He would never just except this much at face value. There would be careful research and a little
spy work and still he would never trust what he sees.
Actually, I don't think Dex DOES accept her explanation at face value.
This episode, I think, makes it clear....

Like Dex said, "Why don't I remember you?"
His facial expressions makes it very obvious he isn't buying into her shtick.
post #6047 of 6855
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Actually, I don't think Dex DOES accept her explanation at face value.
This episode, I think, makes it clear....

Like Dex said, "Why don't I remember you?"
His facial expressions makes it very obvious he isn't buying into her shtick.

Perhaps, but Dex 4.0 ? Brian doesn't Count

Lila (hey, I'm attracted to sociopaths)
Miguel (Wow, this killing thing really takes the edge off)
Lumen (I'll play for a while, cause...rape)
Vogel? (You're a good boy Dex.... Mommie!?)
post #6048 of 6855
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

Perhaps, but Dex 4.0 ? Brian doesn't Count

Lila (hey, I'm attracted to sociopaths)
Miguel (Wow, this killing thing really takes the edge off)
Lumen (I'll play for a while, cause...rape)
Vogel? (You're a good boy Dex.... Mommie!?)
LOL, nice one.wink.gif
post #6049 of 6855
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Yes, she is.

She will be his undoing.
Things have been set in motion that put an end to our beloved series one way or the other.

At this point, I can see Vogel and Matthews as having formed a pact to end their careers by taking down the monster named Dexter Morgan.
I can also see Dex wising up to the conspiracy and offing both and going on the run with Deb and Harrison.

IF I am right....everyone on the thread owes my a beer (and I WILL collect).tongue.gif

But if Mathews knows something shouldn't he have been able to connect the butcher dots a long time ago and any not do something then? What makes now a better time to do something?
post #6050 of 6855
Its only been two episodes but this season is shaping up as one of Dexter's best. Really love what they are doing with Deb, did not see her storyline going this way. So now the show's moral compass is as dirty as Dex is, the knowledge of what her brother is sending her over the edge. Can't wait to see how this plays out.
post #6051 of 6855
Anyone else think Vogel is tied to the Brain Surgeon killings, besides having the brains "left on her doorstep" that is? Part of me thinks she's the puppet master behind the killer, or that it's actually her. This seems like a game to her IMO, one Dexter is a pawn in. Maybe she is pitting her best two prodigies against each other for entertainment purposes. She's definitely a psychopath herself IMO. I can't wait to see how this all plays out.
post #6052 of 6855
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Anyone else think Vogel is tied to the Brain Surgeon killings, besides having the brains "left on her doorstep" that is? Part of me thinks she's the puppet master behind the killer, or that it's actually her. This seems like a game to her IMO, one Dexter is a pawn in. Maybe she is pitting her best two prodigies against each other for entertainment purposes. She's definitely a psychopath herself IMO. I can't wait to see how this all plays out.
For sure, she's a candidate to have been the gun woman coercing the other killer. I didn't think of her pitting two prodigies against each other. Interesting.
post #6053 of 6855
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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Anyone else think Vogel is tied to the Brain Surgeon killings, besides having the brains "left on her doorstep" that is? Part of me thinks she's the puppet master behind the killer, or that it's actually her. This seems like a game to her IMO, one Dexter is a pawn in. Maybe she is pitting her best two prodigies against each other for entertainment purposes. She's definitely a psychopath herself IMO. I can't wait to see how this all plays out.

I mentioned after last weeks episode that I thought she was some kind of puppet master/teacher/mentor to psychopaths. My thought was the one she is scared of had gone rogue but a vs. situation is an interesting thought.
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Originally Posted by SupaKats View Post

Another vibe I got and this is probably just my mind running wild but the way Vogel talked about the rouge patient she believes to be behind this maybe she is some kind of serial killer puppet master and Dex is one of her first students.
post #6054 of 6855
So the killer is visiting her? How hard is it to set up cameras?
Anyone else cringe at the "mommy hug"?
Deb is going to die unless something changes.
Quinn is stil a douche. As asked above, how the heck does he get the girls?
Dexter has as much on Vogel as she has on him with the dvds -- I think that is part of her gaining some trust.
post #6055 of 6855
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Originally Posted by daryl zero View Post

Quinn is stil a douche. As asked above, how the heck does he get the girls?

At one point I just knew Angel would beat him near death, but nope. Total 180 on that.
post #6056 of 6855
All I know is she's trying to outwit Dexter, that's never happened, and the pleasure of this last season will be Dex meeting his greatest challenge and then riding off into the sunset. Deb will either be at his side, or in a little custom locket near his heart.

I think they're revisiting the ghost of Eddie thing generically, i.e. you're not supposed to notice what the good doc is up to, so a big reveal may be in play.
post #6057 of 6855
I think Vogel is manipulating the brain scoop killer, made him kill a few to make Dexter go after him then have a psycho vs. psycho fight to see who wins, and maybe this is for Vogel's final book.

Since this is the last season the other killer may win, sigh... but hopefully Dexter "slabs" Vogel first

And Quinn, this was a direct message to the actor playing him, either go to acting school or stop acting or you won't get any more pretty girls, you hear?
post #6058 of 6855
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Originally Posted by SupaKats View Post

But if Mathews knows something shouldn't he have been able to connect the butcher dots a long time ago and any not do something then? What makes now a better time to do something?
Maybe the too convenient (for Dex) murder of LaGuerta got him thinking.....

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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

Anyone else think Vogel is tied to the Brain Surgeon killings, besides having the brains "left on her doorstep" that is? Part of me thinks she's the puppet master behind the killer, or that it's actually her. This seems like a game to her IMO, one Dexter is a pawn in. Maybe she is pitting her best two prodigies against each other for entertainment purposes.
Or for fame and/or fortune purposes.
post #6059 of 6855
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Originally Posted by DrLar View Post

I think Vogel is manipulating the brain scoop killer, made him kill a few to make Dexter go after him then have a psycho vs. psycho fight to see who wins, and maybe this is for Vogel's final book.

Since this is the last season the other killer may win, sigh... but hopefully Dexter "slabs" Vogel first

And Quinn, this was a direct message to the actor playing him, either go to acting school or stop acting or you won't get any more pretty girls, you hear?

LOL biggrin.gif

When he said "you people" I knew something was about to happen.
post #6060 of 6855
FINALLY, a Dexter episode that is true to life. In the first episode of the season, Dexter actually has to deal with being a dad. As a father of 3 and 5 year old boys, my wife and I sometimes groan out loud when the babysitter always says she can take the kids, is always available, and Harrison plays quietly by himself. I know the show would be boring if it was lifelike in that regard, but Harrison at the office scene was so accurate that it made me smile. And the fact that the babysitter couldn't just take him off Dexter's hands was great as well. Okay, back to the main plot discussion.
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