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post #6361 of 6855
Damn, Yvonne Strahovski is heart-stoppingly pretty...
I watched some of Chuck but she is even more beautiful in Dexter, as well as less clothed.
I'm grateful to this season of Dexter if only for bringing Hannah back
post #6362 of 6855
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Sure about that?


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WHO else could it be?
If it is some character we already know from the show, wouldn't it feel manipulative to you?
Conversely, if it was someone we haven't met yet, wouldn't it feel like something the writers pulled out of their a$$?
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WHO else could it be?
If it is some character we already know from the show, wouldn't it feel manipulative to you?
Conversely, if it was someone we haven't met yet, wouldn't it feel like something the writers pulled out of their a$$?
Exactly. I was always suspicious of her since that film of the accomplice at gunpoint, but wasn't sure until they killed off Sands in 1/2 an ep.
post #6364 of 6855
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Did Vogel kill Zack?
You never know with this show (or these writers), because they've certainly set her up to be a red herring. After Dexter finds Zack with his head chopped off, the scene cuts to Vogel admiring yet another piece of brain. She was also the last one to see Zack alive that we know of. We also know that Hannah was with Dexter, so she's got an alibi. But then they also established earlier that Vogel was getting the pieces on her doorstep. Maybe it's a red herring, maybe she's the true BS.

I think it would be a major coup for the show if the BS turned out to be Deb or Quinn.
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After last season and the whole "there's no way Hannah could have poisoned Deb b/c that's too damn obvious" conversations, I'm not going to put too much thought into the Brain Surgeon identity.

All I will say is that there would be very few people on the show who would be knowledgable enough to make incise cuts into someone's cranium and scoop out a specific part of the brain , and if the brain surgeon turns out to be someone without that kind of know-how, it's just more sloppy writing.
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WHO else could it be?
If it is some character we already know from the show, wouldn't it feel manipulative to you?

Not in Miami Metro.
Mom's been covering for him a long time - well before she introduced herself to Dexter.
I'm probably wrong, it's fun to go against the grain here wink.gif
post #6367 of 6855
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I think it would be a major coup for the show if the BS turned out to be Deb or Quinn.
If true and given everything we know, would that sit well with you?

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All I will say is that there would be very few people on the show who would be knowledgable enough to make incise cuts into someone's cranium and scoop out a specific part of the brain , and if the brain surgeon turns out to be someone without that kind of know-how, it's just more sloppy writing.
Exactly right.
It wouldn't make much sense.
post #6368 of 6855
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You never know with this show (or these writers), because they've certainly set her up to be a red herring. After Dexter finds Zack with his head chopped off, the scene cuts to Vogel admiring yet another piece of brain. She was also the last one to see Zack alive that we know of. We also know that Hannah was with Dexter, so she's got an alibi. But then they also established earlier that Vogel was getting the pieces on her doorstep. Maybe it's a red herring, maybe she's the true BS.

I think it would be a major coup for the show if the BS turned out to be Deb or Quinn.

Pretty much agree except that I don't think either Quinn or Deb could be the BS. I do think Quinn might have tried to frame Zach for the neighbor's murder. That could mean that Quinn killed the neighbor but that seems far fetched. He did pointedly ask Dexter to tell him if he found any of Zach's DNA which is a bit telltale. Deb didn't know anything about Zach until she met him at the hotel room so I don't think she's involved.

I was thinking how so many things could happen with Deb's trip to the Keys. She could have called the police on Hannah and then Dexter could have been caught in a compromising position with respect to Zach since Deb probably assumed Dexter and Hannah were only there to tryst. Nothing really happened although that was interesting in and of itself. Deb couldn't take down Hannah. Deb's position on Hannah was overly emotional (to the point of being annoying) but I'm almost glad it played out this way. It was a nice surprise to see that Zach hadn't killed the neighbor and that Dexter gave him a chance. I like this idea that they are setting Dexter up to be done with the killing. That the most powerful urge he has is to be with Hannah. If Hannah has an ulterior motive, she is being very passive about it and putting herself at risk by traveling around with Dexter rather than laying low.

Vogel seems to be the easiest target for being the BS but I don't really see how she could manage it physically. I think the answer would be that she is involved with another former or current patient doing this. The odd thing is that she really seemed to enjoy the family dinner with everyone so that meant that the fact that Zach was in on that doesn't make him safe or potentially Dexter either. Vogel had been the proponent of Zach not ending up on Dexter's table so the question of why he should die is interesting. It wasn't as if he was disobeying Vogel. Zach seemed like (probably for the first time in his life) a happy kid. Falling asleep in Dexter's car. In the back with Dexter and Hannah saying: Are we there yet? Typical kid. Happy at dinner. Amazed at Dexter's "babes". He seemed very much staying with Vogel's plan so it doesn't make a lot of sense for Vogel to off him.

One thing I didn't get was where Dexter found Zach. Was that in Dexter's apartment? Dexter doesn't seem really concerned with the maelstrom forming around him. The neighbor wasn't killed by Zach. Who killed her? Who is trying to frame Zach?

While I didn't like Dexter's "don't go" at the end, I think it is true to the character and the direction he is heading. Hannah is distracting him and there is choppy waters ahead.
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Btw, I found out my nephew is working on post production effects on this season. They are still finishing episodes. I thought that was amusing. No, I don't have any info. I don't want to know and wouldn't try to find out even if he knew.
post #6370 of 6855
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I like this idea that they are setting Dexter up to be done with the killing. That the most powerful urge he has is to be with Hannah.
In looking back on the past seasons, Dexter has always wanted to find someone who would love and accept him for who he really is. Out of all the prospects, Hannah is the best fit. It's no wonder he's so attracted to her.
Edited by RobertR - 8/19/13 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

WHO else could it be?
If it is some character we already know from the show, wouldn't it feel manipulative to you?
Conversely, if it was someone we haven't met yet, wouldn't it feel like something the writers pulled out of their a$$?

Gave that some thought and the only one I can come up with is Cassie's bf. He seems to believe their relationship was a lot more serious than she did. He also claimed not to recognize Zack from the picture Quinn showed him even though he had just seen him with Dex...we know next to nothing about him other than the timing of his entry into the story. Could be a former patient of Vogel perhaps?
post #6372 of 6855
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Gave that some thought and the only one I can come up with is Cassie's bf. He seems to believe their relationship was a lot more serious than she did. He also claimed not to recognize Zack from the picture Quinn showed him even though he had just seen him with Dex...we know next to nothing about him other than the timing of his entry into the story. Could be a former patient of Vogel perhaps?

Interesting idea.
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Gave that some thought and the only one I can come up with is Cassie's bf. He seems to believe their relationship was a lot more serious than she did. He also claimed not to recognize Zack from the picture Quinn showed him even though he had just seen him with Dex...we know next to nothing about him other than the timing of his entry into the story. Could be a former patient of Vogel perhaps?

I'll add - That shot of Vogel at the end did not look like she was admiring a prize in the jar.
post #6374 of 6855
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Gave that some thought and the only one I can come up with is Cassie's bf. He seems to believe their relationship was a lot more serious than she did. He also claimed not to recognize Zack from the picture Quinn showed him even though he had just seen him with Dex...we know next to nothing about him other than the timing of his entry into the story. Could be a former patient of Vogel perhaps?

Had the same thought. I think he is involved, but the BS is Matthews. Probably knew about Dexter, and reacted after LaGuerta's death.
Edited by 33idolfinder - 8/19/13 at 4:03pm
post #6375 of 6855
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Pretty much agree except that I don't think either Quinn or Deb could be the BS. I do think Quinn might have tried to frame Zach for the neighbor's murder. That could mean that Quinn killed the neighbor but that seems far fetched. He did pointedly ask Dexter to tell him if he found any of Zach's DNA which is a bit telltale. Deb didn't know anything about Zach until she met him at the hotel room so I don't think she's involved.

Oh, I absolutely agree that it's not going to be Deb or Quinn... just saying that it would be a coup for the show. They could have crafted a very good storyline this season about Deb snapping after the Laguerta incident and turning full serial killer. I doubt that's the way it's going to end.

No, the smart money is probably on Elway. Elway is probably a former patient of Vogel's (Dexter didn't make it all the way through her patient list, he only stopped when he got to the shoe fetish guy). Elway probably knows about Dexter because he's a private investigator, probably found out about him when doing background check on Deb. Also, if he's a successful serial killer like Dexter, he's able to hide in plain sight. His private investigator business would be the perfect cover for driving around and spying on people. He could always just say he was on a job. We know he's got a short temper, too.

Frankly, I'm glad Zack is dead. he was good comic relief for the show, but if he had ended up to be the killer, that would have been terrible. He's clearly terrible at covering his tracks.
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One thing I didn't get was where Dexter found Zach. Was that in Dexter's apartment?
Yes.

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the BS is Matthews. Probably knew about Dexter, and reacted after LaGuerta's death.
Now THAT is an interesting thought.....eek.gif
post #6377 of 6855
Mathews is full of BS, but he's not the brain surgeon.
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Mathews is full of BS, but he's not the brain surgeon.
I highly doubt it too.

Everything so far points to Vogel.
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I highly doubt it too.

Everything so far points to Vogel.

We do have her dinner table speech about fighting boredom, which was a huge red flag. But why kill Cassie? To frame Zack so he and Dexter would be at odds? Then why kill Zack?

The one thing that stuck me at dinner (other than they all sat down to dinner with Hannah and noone died) was how chummy Vogel and Hannah were. There was the remark about too much red wine in the dish, with Hannah saying it was perfect. And then Vogel saying it was nice to see someone eat a lot, or words to that effect. Had a feeling something was going on there but I don't know what....Still, I'm thinking Cassie's bf is involved too, maybe working with one or both of them...
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I'm thinking the Surgeon could be Vogel's ex-husband. His name was dropped in a not-so-subtle way an episode or two ago, and next week's summary on my DVR mentions something about Vogel and someone from her past.

Also, it was good to finally see one episode this season not end with a fade-to-black. That was getting annoying.
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I'm thinking the Surgeon could be Vogel's ex-husband.

Someone in their 70s popping around like a cat doing precision head cutting?
Same for Vogel. Too old for the task.

OK, but I'll stick with a 30 something?
Edited by thedeskE - 8/19/13 at 6:03pm
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I'm thinking the Surgeon could be Vogel's ex-husband. His name was dropped in a not-so-subtle way an episode or two ago, and next week's summary on my DVR mentions something about Vogel and someone from her past.

Also, it was good to finally see one episode this season not end with a fade-to-black. That was getting annoying.

I thought about her husband, Richard (?), but I thought somewhere along the line it was revealed that he was dead. He has been mentioned a few times on the show though.

Between that and the little nugget she dropped at dinner, about an "unfortunate incident" leading her to study serial killers, you'd have to think it's someone in her immediate orbit.
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But why kill Cassie? To frame Zack so he and Dexter would be at odds? Then why kill Zack?
Was it Quinn?
Her beau?
Zack?
Harrison?
I wish I knew....confused.gif

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The one thing that stuck me at dinner (other than they all sat down to dinner with Hannah and noone died) was how chummy Vogel and Hannah were. There was the remark about too much red wine in the dish, with Hannah saying it was perfect. And then Vogel saying it was nice to see someone eat a lot, or words to that effect. Had a feeling something was going on there but I don't know what....
I think it was just girls being girls.
Chit-chat is part of their DNA.wink.gif

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could be Vogel's ex-husband. His name was dropped in a not-so-subtle way an episode or two ago, and next week's summary on my DVR mentions something about Vogel and someone from her past.
Matthews?confused.gif

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Someone in their 70s popping around like a cat doing precision head cutting?
Same for Vogel. Too old for the task.

OK, but I'll stick with a 30 something?
You have a good point.


I have to say...we are getting a great final season of Dexter.
The writers have kept us off balance and guessing all year.

We have only 3(?) more episodes left and nearly everyone here has a different opinion of where and how it will end.
That is the mark of GREAT writing

Hats off to Showtime, gentlemen....and thanx for this terrific ride with Dexter..cool.gif
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We have only 3(?) more episodes left and nearly everyone here has a different opinion of where and how it will end.
That is the mark of GREAT writing

Hats off to Showtime, gentlemen....and thanx for this terrific ride with Dexter..cool.gif

I think we have 4 left.
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We have only 3(?) more episodes left and nearly everyone here has a different opinion of where and how it will end.
That is the mark of GREAT writing

That, or terrible writing. Honestly, there have been way too many chekhov guns for them all to be red herrings.

They continue to introduce new characters, and if it ends up being a character we already know that just means we wasted episodes of exposition on ultimately dispensable characters.
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That, or terrible writing. Honestly, there have been way too many chekhov guns for them all to be red herrings.

They continue to introduce new characters, and if it ends up being a character we already know that just means we wasted episodes of exposition on ultimately dispensable characters.

Isn't that how mysterys work, though?

I agree with oink. This has been one of dexter's finest seasons and outside of a magic cave suddenly appearing looks like its going to be a heck of a finish..
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Ok, it's redshirt Chekov time...

Dex has been wearing a kind or reddish shirt...so he's doomed.
Hannah is safe so far
Can't remember Debs attire, but wasn't it a blue checked shirt with a red undershirt...better be scared.
I do believe PI guy was wearing some red...time to go
Quinn has been in green
Masukas daughter is probably a deader IIRC
Vogel...not yet
I might be wrong about some of them. I might have missed some...but Easter Eggs in a last season are usually rampant. So, what have you guys noticed.
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looks like its going to be a heck of a finish..
I think what is most telling is almost everyone here is an old pro, and yet, we are still guessing...

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Ok, it's redshirt Chekov time...

Dex has been wearing a kind or reddish shirt...so he's doomed.
Hannah is safe so far
Can't remember Debs attire, but wasn't it a blue checked shirt with a red undershirt...better be scared.
I do believe PI guy was wearing some red...time to go
Quinn has been in green
Masukas daughter is probably a deader IIRC
Vogel...not yet
I might be wrong about some of them. I might have missed some...but Easter Eggs in a last season are usually rampant. So, what have you guys noticed.
Ron...you may be past your bedtime (come to think of it...so am I)biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Ron Temple View Post

Ok, it's redshirt Chekov time...

I might have missed some...but Easter Eggs in a last season are usually rampant. So, what have you guys noticed.

Red Shirt?

OK, Dexter lugging a Full Body Bag out of his second story apartment (they didn't show it, but let's assume) just after
scolding the same guy in the bag for body handling mistakes. There was a recent murder next door.
Think his place is on anyone's radar? Perhaps a little more than an Easter Egg wink.gif
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I have been getting a kick out of all the speculation here and I really have no idea how how it is all going to end, but I wanted to say how much I enjoyed this last episode. I loved pretty much every minute of it. Deb catching Dex lying as she watches him head south on her iPad, and later confronting Hannah. Lovely, beautiful Hannah fully invested with Dex and Dex totally at ease with her. The "family" dinner. Zack does not kill Cassie then becomes a victim of the BS. Great stuff and all very well done. And I didn't even get to Dex and Hannah's sex scene. Okay, I just did! smile.gif
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