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post #6691 of 6855
I have a worst ending. Dexter changes his mind, and heads to Argentina. But, suddenly gets trapped "Under the Dome" of Chester's Mill!!
Actually that would make "Under the Dome" watchable , and Dexter would feel like home, surrounded by so many (not so smart) people!

But I also have my perfect end (well some small changes over this season may be needed too).

Elway gets inside the room with restrained Oliver (no Marshall)
Oliver: "I was hoping for Debra, but you will have to do..." and frees himself and stabs Elway. It was his plan all along, and he was caught deliberately.
Debra walks in, they fire at each other, Oliver escapes. Before Elway dies, he says that he told everything to the Marshalls. Dexter sends Hannah without Harrison.

Debra's wound is superficial, but they get her to the hospital and police sets a trap. Oliver comes, but manages to escape. They run after him, open fire, his car crashes and explodes. Dexter is skeptical, but DNA confirms it.
Marshalls can't find anything, they figure Elway had it wrong. Everybody went to Debra's, happy, for the last goodbye. Everybody is leaving.
Dexter to Debra: "Are you going to be ok?". Debra: "I'll be more than ok" and looks at Quinn smiling. "Anyway, I' m barely standing, my bed is calling and don't anybody f.....ing wake me before Monday!"

Dexter's phone rings, it's Hannah from Buenos Aires. "I can't believe it's over!"
Dexter: "I'll see you soon".
Hannah drinks her coffee and looks around, happier than ever. Suddenly she feels intense chest pain and gasping for air, the last thing she sees before she dies is Oliver smiling across the street.

Back at Miami, outside Debra's, everybody is gone but Dexter, Quinn and Harrison.
They are getting in the car when Harrison runs back inside saying "I want to say goodbye to aunt Deb".
Dexter to Quinn: "Thanks for driving us to the airport."
Quinn: "No problem, hay, we are practically family now!"
Dexter: "Family..."
His mind wonders. It's finally over. He can finally leave and leave the dark passenger behind. Free and happy, in a new life full of light and happiness for him and the people he loves....

Harrison comes back. "Did you say goodbye to aunt Deb?"
Harrison: "She is sleeping..."
Dexter and Quinn laugh. Dexter: "Don't worry Harrison, aunt Deb knows you love her. We will call her tomorrow ok?"

They drive away, and the camera slowly gets inside Debra's house, gets to the bathroom, water sounds, water everywhere.. and blood, Deb's blood.... Deb is lying dead in the bathroom murdered just like Rita......
post #6692 of 6855
I thought the ending was way better than if 1)Dexter died, 2)Dexter went to prison, or 3)Dexter sails off into the sunset with Hannah. Dexter at that logging camp, staring at the camera, there was a cold, sad edge about that scene that got to me. I like to think that he will indeed reunite with his son in the not so distant future.

All in all, a wonderful series that my wife and I have really enjoyed since the first episode. We'll miss you, Dex.
post #6693 of 6855
Why did they change the showrunners? Especially from the one who ran the early seasons which were widely acclaimed?
post #6694 of 6855
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Originally Posted by cwilson View Post

Those people who thought Dexter needed to be punished - why? Because he broke the law? Fifty years ago the Hollywood "code" required the guilty to be punished. No longer the case. Dexter may have made a few mistakes along the way that killed innocent people, but basically he did good (even if illegal) things - prevented additional murders by serial killers. I wanted to see him get away and survive. Would have preferred that he and Hannah make it safely to Argentina - and it would have been more realistic if he had - but deciding to disappear in order to give Hannah and Harrison a better chance was a good touch.

Well, it's not so much that the Hollywood Code requires the guilty to be punished, but more so how the protagonist should not die. A show like Dexter is a good example of where the protagonist should die, but they ultimately copped out. Why should he die? To bring closure to the show. If there is one thing we've learned from Dexter over the years, and I think it wasn't intentional, is that Dexter never learns. If it's a killer he should have killed the first time around, how he destroys those that are close to him, or whatever the reason may be, he never learns. Leaving Dexter alive in that cabin just seems like he is taking a mental break. Eventually his urge to kill would come back, he would develop relationships in his new location, or he would go down to Argentina to help Hannah and Harrison escape from the law lol. It just brought no real closure to Dexter in my opinion. They just made him too much into a hero, justified what he does to make him extremely likable and they let Dexter live so the audience wouldn't have to see the death of Dexter. It's a bit odd in my opinion. Near the end of Season 7, they were turning Dexter into a dark, serial killer. I thought they were going to make him darker and less likable so the audience would want him dead by the end of Season 8.The character of Dexter took a very different turn at the start of Season 8 though and he didn't seem as dark as he was near the end of Season 8.

The entire Season 8 of Dexter is what I have a problem with. We basically got a regular season with an ending in which Dexter doesn't save everyone and oddly gives his kid to Hannah instead of Jaime who basically has raised him. Debra dying was a great way to end her character, but I couldn't believe how easily he just rolls her out of that Hospital. It just what would have otherwise been a great part of the episode. Dr. Vogel was only interesting in the first episode, but after I found out who she was in episode 2, I couldn't care less for her. Not to mention that in the end, her entire purpose was to bring in The Brain Surgeon. She seemed interesting in the first episode when I thought Mathews brought her in to help him take down Dexter. That also brings up another problem. With everything that happened in the end of Season 7, you would think that Dexter would be the "Big Bad" of the season, but they just let Dexter work the LaGuerta crime scene, forget all the evidence that LaGuerta found and started over fresh in Season 8. I seriously did not think that LaGuerta's murder would have absolutely no consequences for Dexter. How they decided that Miami Metro should not even suspect of Dexter in LaGuerta's murder is just beyond me. Then came Hannah. I thought her character was completely unnecessary in season 7, but in Season 8, she took a turn for the worse. Not to mention all the other filler material which were never needed.

I still greatly enjoy Dexter and I will have to see season 8 again at some point and try to accept it for what it is. Although it will remain my most disliked season of Dexter.
post #6695 of 6855
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Originally Posted by Bishop_99 View Post

Well, it's not so much that the Hollywood Code requires the guilty to be punished, but more so how the protagonist should not die. A show like Dexter is a good example of where the protagonist should die, but they ultimately copped out. Why should he die? To bring closure to the show. If there is one thing we've learned from Dexter over the years, and I think it wasn't intentional, is that Dexter never learns.

The entire Season 8 of Dexter is what I have a problem with. We basically got a regular season with an ending in which Dexter doesn't save everyone and oddly gives his kid to Hannah instead of Jaime who basically has raised him.

The Dark Passenger certainly was intentional and the primary focus of the entire series .. learning had nothing to do with it .. Dex knows he's majorly flawed .. the struggle is one of the main plot points ..

He loves Hannah, or at least he thinks he does .. she ended up with Harrison really by default more than anything else .. and it was, IMO, a brilliant twist that she did as it leaves open the question of will Harrison carry on the tradition .. after all, Harrison denotes "Harry's Son" .. as well as being found by Dex in a pool of Rita's blood during the Trinity story .. there are many other clues that have been dropped regarding Harrison ..
post #6696 of 6855
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The Dark Passenger certainly was intentional and the primary focus of the entire series .. learning had nothing to do with it .. Dex knows he's majorly flawed .. the struggle is one of the main plot points ..

Yeah, I agree with all of that. Dexter is in his own personal hell, knowing that Harry and Vogel both failed - he's too damaged to live an ordinary life. His Dark Passenger won in the end, when he couldn't even stop himself from killing Saxon even though the state of Florida was probably going to do it for him.

He knows he's responsible for so many deaths, not only "bad guys", but good guys too like LaGuerta, his hot neighbor, his wife, and his sister. All of them would still be alive if not for him. He had no choice but to leave or he would surely be the death of his soul mate Hanna, and perhaps the only good thing remaining from his life - his son Harrison.

I loved the way it ended - with one final shot not of the cuddly Dexter we all grew to love and admire, but of the scary, cold-eyed Dark Passenger that inhabits and controls him. Will he continue to kill? Will he ever try to find Hanna and Harrison? Who knows? Does it matter? No, because his story reached its logical and inevitable end. And I'm fine with that.
post #6697 of 6855
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

The Dark Passenger certainly was intentional and the primary focus of the entire series .. learning had nothing to do with it .. Dex knows he's majorly flawed .. the struggle is one of the main plot points ..

He loves Hannah, or at least he thinks he does .. she ended up with Harrison really by default more than anything else .. and it was, IMO, a brilliant twist that she did as it leaves open the question of will Harrison carry on the tradition .. after all, Harrison denotes "Harry's Son" .. as well as being found by Dex in a pool of Rita's blood during the Trinity story .. there are many other clues that have been dropped regarding Harrison ..
That part of the struggle with his dark passenger and his personal life, I do understand. I know that it's intentional to a certain degree. The part of which I don't completely see as intentional is the way he didn't learn at all from past mistakes/partnerships/ relationships. Should have killed Trininty when i first had the chance, should have killed Travis Marshall when I first had the chance, only to just let Daniel Vogel go free. Miguel Prado/ Zach Hamilton and probably other points. Which brings me to the point in letting Dexter live in the finally. Those struggles will be there and in no time, he will give in to them. To me, that didn't bring any closure to Dexter. Although I know it won't happen, there would be no big problems starting a season 9 with the way things ended in season 8.

I know that Dexter is in love with Hannah, but he really had to consider Harrison's future. He was sending away his son to a foreign country with someone who is a fugitive. Eventually, they would catch her and Harrison would be sent back to the States. Best case scenario is that Harrison is sent to his grandparents home with Astor and Cody. But in Harrison's best interest, Dexter should have told Hanna what happened to Debra, tell her that he had to go away and to give Harrison over to Jaime or his grandparents, since they are in Orlando and that isn't very far from Daytona, because he didn't want Harrison to be on the run when he has his whole life ahead of him.

I agree that it could be a somewhat interesting point with Harrison, but he wasn't a very important character to be honest. It doesn't leave me with too much intrigue to be honest.
post #6698 of 6855
Season 6 was by far the worst season with only the Mos Def character and the final scene (Deb catches Dexter in the act) making the season interesting. This last season would have been an okay season if it were not the final season. I expected that the writers would have more free reign to wrap things up and to put things in storylines that they wouldn't otherwise be able to do due to the recurring nature of the characters. Barring any kind of spinoff where a character has to survive, any kind of result could have worked including the death of many characters.

The first two seasons which are pretty much considered the best contained well defined season long arcs and a real threat to Dexter. In the first season, it was the unknown assailant who we didn't know the identity and connection to Dexter. In the second season, it was Sgt. Doakes, who Dexter could not kill (pursuant to his code) and the investigation of the BHB by Lundy who was smart enough to figure things out potentially. The next two seasons had Dexter trying to explore whether he could fit in and still continue his serial killing ways. Season 3 with a friend/accomplis and Season 4 with Trinity being the model for a family man. Season 5 explored the idea of Dexter first dealing with the aftermath of Rita's death and the destruction of his family and then finding Lumen who he loved and killed with. When her killing needs were over, Dexter chose not to give up his "dark passenger" to be with her and let her go. Season 7 was dealing with Deb's knowledge and how that would work along with Dexter's dealings with the Ukrainian mob including Sirko.

Season 8 started out good with the consequences of Deb's dealing with Dexter and the killing of LaGuerta at the end of Season 7. That arc was relatively short and despite how damaged Deb was, she was just fine after some therapy with Vogel. Deb's character has really gone through a ton of changes in the series. She was moved up from vice to working with detectives and almost killed in Season 1 by the man she thought loved her. Season 2, changed her to a more able detective and her failed love affair with Lundy. In Season 5 she started to move to Dexter/Harry's way of thinking after seeing the torture videos and feeling empathy for the vigilante killers to the extent of letting them go. Season 6 had the Deb thinking she was in love with Dexter horribleness inflicted upon the viewer for that season and the next -- creating the false conflict with Hannah. Then she went through the discovery, dealing with it, killing LaGuerta etc.

Dexter almost never dealt with getting caught after Season 2 (other than little once offs like Season 4 when he crashed his car after falling asleep and couldn't remember what he did with the body/tools and Season 5 where Lumen had the dentist at the warehouse and Dexter had his own victim in the back of his car). So the writers essentially made the tension of Dexter potentially getting caught off limits for the most part. And that happened while Dexter seemed to get sloppier and sloppier. He seemed to dump his code at ill-advised times to make a kill and even killed the wrong person without any consequences whatsoever. The writers seemed to view Dexter as a superhero who couldn't lose. No matter how tight things got, he always escaped and never got caught.

So heading into Season 8 with presumably all bets off, I did expect the writers to deal with the consequences of Dexter's behavior/existence much more fully. Rather we got Deb's amazingly quick arc. The reappearance of Hannah without much reason. The creation of their immense attraction without much explanation other than Dexter loved her (but not enough to keep from turning her in Season 7). Vogel's appearance and discussion of him as a psychopath. Nothing much with Harrison whatsoever except to be a plot device. The issue of Hannah being a fugitive handled as stupidly as possible in order to create tension. Deb's sudden acceptance of Hannah despite the fact that she was rabidly hateful of Hannah previously.

So the endgame was Hannah's redemption of Dexter and changing him to a real boy by love and then Dexter's guilt refusing to allow himself a happy ending. Typical of Dexter, these concepts were invented out of need for the plot even though they have little to do with the structure and integrity that the show supposedly built up. So Dexter was not a psychopath or was he? Is he cured? The show could have tinkered with the idea that Dexter really wasn't a psychopath and that Harry and maybe Vogel made this call too early. Except that the show never did this and made it plain that Dexter was indeed a psychopath. Dexter had always told us that he couldn't feel love or understand people. The idea that this could all change because of Hannah doesn't cut it for me. It didn't happen with Lumen and it also didn't happen with Hannah a season ago.

So Dexter was this show where the writers had no problem putting characters in for plot devices and forgetting about previous structures of the show. It was not big on internal consistency. What the show had going for it was the actors, the main characters which (because of the device of making Dexter as the protagonist) had the viewer rooting for the bad guy who was not quite the bad guy and had a "moral" code that made his actions perversely good. The actors of Miami Metro Clown Academy were pleasant enough that they appeared in numerous boring/annoying/meaningless subplots. So mainly you had Dexter and Deb. Deb had one foot in Dexter's circle and one foot in Clown Academy.

This final season turned out to be basically the same as other seasons except for the final show which killed off Deb in a way that she could talk to Dexter and supposedly absolve him of guilt. Then you get Dexter's actions which belie everything that happens before. Kind of a decision to claim that Dexter won't have a happy ending despite the fact that everything pointed in that direction until the final 7 minutes. So typical of Dexter, stuff just happened. He abandoned his kid. He survives a hurricane some unexplained way. And then he pops up in Oregon as a lumberjack for unknown reasons. How does this stuff get okayed by the staff? They can't think of anything better?

So the season was a letdown because there was no crescendo like Breaking Bad has had. No logical consequences. No consistency.

Otherwise, it was ok I guess.
post #6699 of 6855
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Originally Posted by Bishop_99 View Post

That part of the struggle with his dark passenger and his personal life, I do understand. I know that it's intentional to a certain degree. The part of which I don't completely see as intentional is the way he didn't learn at all from past mistakes/partnerships/ relationships. Should have killed Trininty when i first had the chance, should have killed Travis Marshall when I first had the chance, only to just let Daniel Vogel go free. Miguel Prado/ Zach Hamilton and probably other points. Which brings me to the point in letting Dexter live in the finally. Those struggles will be there and in no time, he will give in to them. To me, that didn't bring any closure to Dexter. Although I know it won't happen, there would be no big problems starting a season 9 with the way things ended in season 8.

I know that Dexter is in love with Hannah, but he really had to consider Harrison's future. He was sending away his son to a foreign country with someone who is a fugitive. Eventually, they would catch her and Harrison would be sent back to the States. Best case scenario is that Harrison is sent to his grandparents home with Astor and Cody. But in Harrison's best interest, Dexter should have told Hanna what happened to Debra, tell her that he had to go away and to give Harrison over to Jaime or his grandparents, since they are in Orlando and that isn't very far from Daytona, because he didn't want Harrison to be on the run when he has his whole life ahead of him.

I agree that it could be a somewhat interesting point with Harrison, but he wasn't a very important character to be honest. It doesn't leave me with too much intrigue to be honest.

If he had killed those you list when he first had the chance, it would have made for an abbreviated season .. wink.gif

Argentina actually encourages illegal immigrants, tends to offer citizenship and if you renounce your U.S. citizenship, Argentina is not likely to extradite you ..

Although your points on how Harrison should have ended up are good .. I still think the idea was Harrison ending up with Hannah by default .. Dex was originally going with them, IOW ..

The head scratching moments for me on Hannah were : she once poisoned Deb with her own medication to make it look like an overdose, yet Dex still hooked back up with her and I just can't remember if Hannah took a bunch of money with her to Argentina, if she inherited Miles money and if she did, the law would freeze those assets ..
post #6700 of 6855
I tried to not overthink the ending but it was clear to me when Dex didn't end up in the water with Deb, there was a twist coming.

A reunion with Hannah and Harrison would have been touchy - feelie but that was not to be.

The only minor detail I would have added was for the camera to pull back to show Dexter unfolding his black bag of knives and looking into the camera with that "you really didn't think the Dark Passenger was retiring, did you?" expression on his face.

Fade to black.
post #6701 of 6855
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

If he had killed those you list when he first had the chance, it would have made for an abbreviated season .. wink.gif

Argentina actually encourages illegal immigrants, tends to offer citizenship and if you renounce your U.S. citizenship, Argentina is not likely to extradite you ..

Although your points on how Harrison should have ended up are good .. I still think the idea was Harrison ending up with Hannah by default .. Dex was originally going with them, IOW ..

The head scratching moments for me on Hannah were : she once poisoned Deb with her own medication to make it look like an overdose, yet Dex still hooked back up with her and I just can't remember if Hannah took a bunch of money with her to Argentina, if she inherited Miles money and if she did, the law would freeze those assets ..
Yeah I know biggrin.gif lets say that he could have done it for the Daniel Vogel so it wouldn't have been such a short season biggrin.gif. That scene reminded me of another one, I think it was in the second season when he was about to kill the BHB copycat killer. That he tells him, "I don't have to kill you.... but I'm still going to kill you.... just that the need is gone." Might be a different kill though, I can't fully remember. I thought he was going to say something along those lines when he was about to kill Daniel Vogel.

That would still leave Debra's death open. I guess I thought that she was going to continue going on a down whirl spiral after killing LaGuerta. Not being able to live with it any more, she would kill herself. Dexter could have then dumped her body in the ocean feeling really guilty and without others seeing him taking her body. Although the life support scene worked really well.

If it's like that in Argentina, then it might not be too bad, still I don't know. I see your point that he was going to go with them anyways to Argentina, but it looked more like he was making that choice because he was just in love with Hanna and only saw her as a caring person to Harrison. Yeah, that transition for Dexter and Debra to fully accept Hanna didn't work well for me either. Dexter locked her up because she tried to kill his sister and Hannah didn't have any plans to get back at Dexter, even though she left him that odd black plant in his apartment after she escaped lol.
post #6702 of 6855
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I wanted to see him get away and survive. Would have preferred that he and Hannah make it safely to Argentina - and it would have been more realistic if he had .

Since when was Dexter supposed to be realistic?
post #6703 of 6855
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That will be dealt with in the spin-off....wink.gif

1st episode: Half insane from the death of his true love. Quinn goes on a shooting spree at the station. Surveying the dead bodies of his fellow officers. Batista shakes his head. "We're going to catch the bastard who did this", he vows, assigning Quinn to the case.
post #6704 of 6855
One thing we can say for sure .. the speculation on the thread a while back about a spin-off with Deb is certainly "off the table" .. eek.gif
post #6705 of 6855
Great posts....you guys are on a roll today.smile.gif
post #6706 of 6855
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Since when was Dexter supposed to be realistic?
True.
Also, it's important to remember the character of "Dexter" is a serial killer and serial killers are, by definition, insane.
They do not, cannot act rationally.
They make decisions that don't make a lot of sense to us normal folk.
When analyzing Dex's moves, it's easy to forget this.

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1st episode: Half insane from the death of his true love. Quinn goes on a shooting spree at the station. Surveying the dead bodies of his fellow officers. Batista shakes his head. "We're going to catch the bastard who did this", he vows, assigning Quinn to the case.
LOL, nice one.

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One thing we can say for sure .. the speculation on the thread a while back about a spin-off with Deb is certainly "off the table" .. eek.gif
Other than Dex, Deb, and Hannah, all the other characters are in place for a cop procedural.
Of course, it wouldn't be called "Dexter."
post #6707 of 6855
That final scene of Dexter at the table, when the camera pulls back, should have also revealed Deb Standing to the side & slightly behind him ........
Edited by MeatChicken - 9/24/13 at 10:45am
post #6708 of 6855
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

True.
Also, it's important to remember the character of "Dexter" is a serial killer and serial killers are, by definition, insane.
They do not, cannot act rationally.
They make decisions that don't make a lot of sense to us normal folk.
When analyzing Dex's moves, it's easy to forget this.

Don't think I agree with this. Dexter does not have delusions. He does not have visions (I don't think his inner monologue/Dead Harry is supposed to be the same as "hearing voices"). He is not psychotic. Dexter's issues are that (1) he has no human empathy and (2) he has a need to kill. That doesn't stop him from acting rationally (he is almost hyper-objective in the way he looks at people and is excellent at predicting their behavior as long as he is not involved with them). The urge to kill has made him act rashly a few times. I'm also not sure if all serial killers are alike. Some are just very depressed, lonely and/or angry.

As to being realistic, I don't expect any show to be realistic. I just want internal consistency. If a show attempts to be realistic, it should stay that way and is open to criticism when it strays.
post #6709 of 6855
And I loved the finale. Like Nuance pointed out, they had painted themselves into a corner this season so that a satisfying finale seemed impossible. But for me they pulled it off, as well as reminding me of why I watched this show in the first place. It was always far fetched, with Dexter being unbelievably lucky, even in the early seasons. A little more plausible back then yes, but it was never meant to be a realistic procedural. It was always more of a dream journey, with the plot lines there only to show Dexter's progression from a self assurred serial killer to confused and pained human being. It was what he wanted more than anything, to be like everybody else. He just didn't realize the cost. Dexter always expected his killing spree would end someday but he always thought it would end with his death. But his fate wasn't that kind. Finally capable of feeling love, he learned just like the rest of us that love is a double edge sword. The stronger the love the deeper it cuts, and with being able to care for others comes the self awareness of the effects of your actions. Dexter thought he was compelled to kill so he wasn't responsible for what he did.His dream was to live a normal life, but he never planned to give up his "hobby" until this season. And by then it was too late. The irony of the one he spared being the one he should have killed for his own happiness wasn't lost on him. His journey ended the only way it could-in his own private hell, paying for both what he did and didn't do. When you come right down to it, he was a selfish little boy caring only about his own wants and needs.At the end he has finally become an adult, and like all of us has to live with the consequences of his own self centered life. Thats why I loved the ending. The power of the story trumps all the silliness of the plot.

YMMV, of course.smile.gif
post #6710 of 6855
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Dexter's issues are that (1) he has no human empathy and (2) he has a need to kill.
1+2 = psychotic

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That doesn't stop him from acting rationally (he is almost hyper-objective in the way he looks at people and is excellent at predicting their behavior as long as he is not involved with them). The urge to kill has made him act rashly a few times. I'm also not sure if all serial killers are alike. Some are just very depressed, lonely and/or angry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_killer

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As to being realistic, I don't expect any show to be realistic. I just want internal consistency. If a show attempts to be realistic, it should stay that way and is open to criticism when it strays.
Agreed.
post #6711 of 6855
Psychosis is loss of contact with reality. That's not Dexter. If you want to define a desire to kill as psychotic, fine, but that's not the formal meaning of the term.

I thought the last scene was creepy and sad and memorable. Pretty good.

You people who keep pointing out illogical scenes, this series was built on those. Saxon's escape from Dexter and Deb was really dumb - and predictable. I would have liked the series a bit more if they had been more realistic and believable. There were times when I said, Oh come on, now. Really? We had all gotten involved with the characters, and we didn't mind a few illogical turns, but sometimes it got just too silly.
post #6712 of 6855
http://thestrangestsituation.blogspot.com/2010/11/demystification-monday-psychotic-vs.html

Psychotic. Psychopath. Same thing, right?

Nope. Please don’t mix them up. Especially if you’re a writer and you’re thinking of creating a character with either one of these conditions. Know which is which, peeps! And if you don’t, well, that’s what I’m here for!

As I prepare to explain, please keep in mind that there are entire textbooks written on these subjects, so this is the seriously condensed version:

First, psychotic. This means a person has lost touch with reality. A person experiencing psychosis might have:

Hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that aren’t there) or
Delusions (there are lots of different types, but these are beliefs in something that’s untrue—we will definitely cover this in a future post)

There are lots of different types of psychotic disorders, but schizophrenia is probably the most well known. Basically, being psychotic means a person is going to have a heckuva lot of trouble thinking clearly, making good decisions, completing daily tasks, and responding emotionally and logically to other people.

Oh! Does it mean a person experiencing psychosis is violent? I mean, just look at what we see on television—psychotic people murdering others in fits of bizarre, violent behavior. I believe there have been episodes like this on ER, CSI, other-shows-you-probably-know-but-I-have-not-seen … and yeah, every once in awhile, it does happen in real life (unfortunately, it sounds like that might be what happened here). But MOST people in a psychotic state are harmless, are frightened or paranoid (more on paranoia in a future post), and are more of a danger to themselves than to others.

By the way, IT IS A MYTH that people with mental illnesses, psychotic or not, are more dangerous than other people. Don’t fall for it.


* * *

Psychopathy. This is a personality trait that includes a total lack of empathy for others and really amoral behavior (you know, little things like lying, stealing, assaulting, killing, etc.). Often, someone who is psychopathic appears outwardly normal (notice the difference here—a person who is psychotic will often NOT appear normal).



Also: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beautiful-minds/201103/psychotic-is-not-the-same-psychopathic

Psychosis is an umbrella term to describe the mental state of losing touch with reality. A number of things can cause psychosis, from schizophrenia to depression to sleep deprivation.

Psychopathy, is a personality disorder which consists of a lack of empathy, impulsivity, recklessness, scrupulousness, callousness, and lying.
Edited by daryl zero - 9/24/13 at 1:45pm
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This final season turned out to be basically the same as other seasons except for the final show which killed off Deb in a way that she could talk to Dexter and supposedly absolve him of guilt.
Exactly. And that's why this season was a waste IMO. I would have loved to erase season 6, move 7 to 6, have this season be season 7, and then get a real season 8 in which Dexter is the "Big Bad" and his world begins to collapse as Miami Metro starts to suspect him, eventually catching him.

Heck, I thought the series finale was decent and wouldn't have minded a similar situation had the previous 11 episodes not been completely useless.

My ideal ending was something that someone else mentioned a while back... It went something like: Debra eventually finds herself in a similar situation as she did with Dex and LaGuerta, but this time she kills Dexter. Fast forward to the future and Debra is older and has raised Harrison into adulthood. The scene that ensues is Debra going over "the code" with Harrison, because he too has the "dark passenger" inside him and is on his way to make his first kill. His inner monologue utters the words "Tonight's the night" as he heads out, and the scene fades to black.
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Why did they change the showrunners? Especially from the one who ran the early seasons which were widely acclaimed?

His official reason for leaving was that he wanted to be home more often to be with his family. It is very clear now that he was the true brains behind the show. Not one season after he left and the nosedive begins.
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So Showtime wouldn't pay him enough and he left.

Oh well ...
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Exactly. And that's why this season was a waste IMO. I would have loved to erase season 6, move 7 to 6, have this season be season 7, and then get a real season 8 in which Dexter is the "Big Bad" and his world begins to collapse as Miami Metro starts to suspect him, eventually catching him.

Heck, I thought the series finale was decent and wouldn't have minded a similar situation had the previous 11 episodes not been completely useless.

My ideal ending was something that someone else mentioned a while back... It went something like: Debra eventually finds herself in a similar situation as she did with Dex and LaGuerta, but this time she kills Dexter. Fast forward to the future and Debra is older and has raised Harrison into adulthood. The scene that ensues is Debra going over "the code" with Harrison, because he too has the "dark passenger" inside him and is on his way to make his first kill. His inner monologue utters the words "Tonight's the night" as he heads out, and the scene fades to black.
Not bad...

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http://thestrangestsituation.blogspot.com/2010/11/demystification-monday-psychotic-vs.html

Psychotic. Psychopath. Same thing, right?

Nope. Please don’t mix them up. Especially if you’re a writer and you’re thinking of creating a character with either one of these conditions. Know which is which, peeps! And if you don’t, well, that’s what I’m here for!

As I prepare to explain, please keep in mind that there are entire textbooks written on these subjects, so this is the seriously condensed version:

First, psychotic. This means a person has lost touch with reality. A person experiencing psychosis might have:

Hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that aren’t there) or
Delusions (there are lots of different types, but these are beliefs in something that’s untrue—we will definitely cover this in a future post)

There are lots of different types of psychotic disorders, but schizophrenia is probably the most well known. Basically, being psychotic means a person is going to have a heckuva lot of trouble thinking clearly, making good decisions, completing daily tasks, and responding emotionally and logically to other people.

Oh! Does it mean a person experiencing psychosis is violent? I mean, just look at what we see on television—psychotic people murdering others in fits of bizarre, violent behavior. I believe there have been episodes like this on ER, CSI, other-shows-you-probably-know-but-I-have-not-seen … and yeah, every once in awhile, it does happen in real life (unfortunately, it sounds like that might be what happened here). But MOST people in a psychotic state are harmless, are frightened or paranoid (more on paranoia in a future post), and are more of a danger to themselves than to others.

By the way, IT IS A MYTH that people with mental illnesses, psychotic or not, are more dangerous than other people. Don’t fall for it.


* * *

Psychopathy. This is a personality trait that includes a total lack of empathy for others and really amoral behavior (you know, little things like lying, stealing, assaulting, killing, etc.). Often, someone who is psychopathic appears outwardly normal (notice the difference here—a person who is psychotic will often NOT appear normal).



Also: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/beautiful-minds/201103/psychotic-is-not-the-same-psychopathic

Psychosis is an umbrella term to describe the mental state of losing touch with reality. A number of things can cause psychosis, from schizophrenia to depression to sleep deprivation.

Psychopathy, is a personality disorder which consists of a lack of empathy, impulsivity, recklessness, scrupulousness, callousness, and lying.
Daryl....we need to go get a beer.wink.gif
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um, Dexter is a fictional character. He was created with certain characteristics. No doubt some things may be consistent with reality, but he is a fictional character. Before you try to demand (or suggest the writers wrote it to be) realistic, take a step back and look at what's transpired over the years. IT"S FICTION. There is a bit of reality thrown around, but it's still fiction. Does anyone really think any of the main plots are based on any reality, that the actions of all the characters are accurate representation of real people? This show is more divorced from reality then most every cop show ever written.

The problem is fans start to "bond" with characters and think they understand what they think, their motivations and logic. Then when the writers (oh the shock and horror) don't write the script that that fan thinks (in their fantasy made up reality of the characters) should have happened, it becomes a problem. It's "logically inconsistent. Hello! It's only that way because you've made up the logic based on what you saw. People are not programmed in real life. They aren't always logically consistent. Why do you demand a fictional TV character be that way?

Feel free to not like anything, but that doesn't make them wrong and you right. In this case there is no right and wrong. There is the way it was written and there is whether you liked it. You didn't, no problem but don't attempt to elevate your opinion to one of "right" vs "wrong".
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I know it is a cardinal sin but we have always wanted to watch BB but never had the time, might subscribe to Netflix to start watching it from the beginning.

You are in luck. AMC will be showing a marathon of the entire Breaking Bad series, beginning tonight at 7:00 PM CDT.
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You are in luck. AMC will be showing a marathon of the entire Breaking Bad series, beginning tonight at 7:00 PM CDT.

and, if a viewer is able to take it in over the span of a week to 10 days, it is very worthwhile .. I've watched since the get go and have been doing a marathon leading up to the final episode .. incredibly entertaining .. smile.gif
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and, if a viewer is able to take it in over the span of a week to 10 days, it is very worthwhile .. I've watched since the get go and have been doing a marathon leading up to the final episode .. incredibly entertaining .. smile.gif

I missed the first season (maybe the first two seasons) of Breaking Bad. I caught up in the first place by availing myself of one of the AMC marathons. A marathon really is a great way to catch up. I came to The Walking Dead late too and caught up on it the same way. Anyway, I am really looking forward to seeing every episode of Breaking Bad again.
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