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post #1 of 21
10/2/06 at 3:19pm
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I'm looking for the best solution that will be able to hold 2.0 Terabyte's of data that will sit on my network and allow me to hold DVD Images.

I am going store no compression Video_TS folders or ISO's on an Infrant ReadyNAS NV w/ 3.0 Terabyte and network them to Digital to four Digital Media Players in my house.

I'm going to purchase in the the 2nd week of October and I'll update this thread with my progress. I'm in the initial research stage now.Any suggestions before I make this large investment?

Eventually I will be marking an archive of:

300+ DVD Images
10,000 MP3s
etc
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post #2 of 21
10/2/06 at 6:17pm
2TB wont hold that many DVD's. You're going to need something with more drive bays. I saw this today but it requires your source PC to be located in another room since its too loud for a living room.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/...2018306,00.asp

Seems pretty awesome if you ask me. If you own the source DVD's you really don't need RAID; just keep detailed notes for your DVD's on drives and IF one of them goes bad, simply re-burn the lost discs.

Sounds like a great project. Please keep us posted.

If you're only looking for 2TB the Infrant NV solution is the way to go.

If you really have 10k and want the best solution, consider the kaleidescape offering. I'm not sure where they are at with their music software, but their DVD player is the industry best. FWIW, I think it's way overpriced not worth the investment. But the review are awesome and there are countless half finished projects such as yours that never get finished. So if you really want to see this through and have unlimited budget this is your most pain free solution.

Good luck!!!
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post #3 of 21
10/2/06 at 6:27pm
can windows xp pro handle over 2tb on a single drive?
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post #4 of 21
10/2/06 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by drew138 View Post

2TB wont hold that many DVD's. You're going to need something with more drive bays. I saw this today but it requires your source PC to be located in another room since its too loud for a living room.

Seems pretty awesome if you ask me. If you own the source DVD's you really don't need RAID; just keep detailed notes for your DVD's on drives and IF one of them goes bad, simply re-burn the lost discs.

Sounds like a great project. Please keep us posted.

If you're only looking for 2TB the Infrant NV solution is the way to go.

If you really have 10k and want the best solution, consider the kaleidescape offering. I'm not sure where they are at with their music software, but their DVD player is the industry best. FWIW, I think it's way overpriced not worth the investment. But the review are awesome and there are countless half finished projects such as yours that never get finished. So if you really want to see this through and have unlimited budget this is your most pain free solution.

Good luck!!!

I'm thinking of storing the Video_TS folders only w/ no compression. My client is focusing on the library of video content, not so much the menu, extras, bonus feature, etc.

I've looked into the Kaleidescape. That's not so much a project, and it's far too overpriced, and it's not open source.

2.0TB is fine for now, I can always get another, I'm looking into a NAS or NDAS. (I can't post links, i need to make 5 posts first).
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post #5 of 21
10/2/06 at 6:30pm
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Originally Posted by iamrandyray View Post

can windows xp pro handle over 2tb on a single drive?

The NDAS and NAS solutions are Network Attached Storage, no operating systems will be running on them. But it should communicate flawlessly w/ Windows. (correct me if I'm wrong).
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post #6 of 21
10/2/06 at 6:47pm
I'mby no means a Kaladoscape promotor, but it looks like they did release an updated set of lower cost hardware.

Thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=712224

As for your observatoins on non-open source, etc... I totally agree. Still overpriced. But if your client has no budget and you want to "wow" him/her than you'll be hard pressed.

One product that has made pretty strong strides in recent months is the recently defunct Roku HD1000 (aka photobridge). The third party developers of Mplay have actually created a pretty slick UI and tech solution to store DVDs. They also make a slimserver applicatoins. Matched with the Infrant NV, which can run a upnp server, slim server and or direct access a network share from the Roku and you have a pretty complete solution.The Roku remote stinks though. Still the biggest drawback for me. I've yet to get a multi-function learing remote.
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post #7 of 21
10/2/06 at 7:05pm
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Originally Posted by $ick View Post

The NDAS and NAS solutions are Network Attached Storage, no operating systems will be running on them. But it should communicate flawlessly w/ Windows. (correct me if I'm wrong).


I will 2nd the readynas. Its a great device. Simple and Easy. It just works... I have run 3 streams off mine with XBMC xboxes as clients streaming DVD's. Others have reported no problems streaminf 4 DVD's.

Using Xboxes and a readynas + all your cabling, UPS, etc you are still under 3K.

www.infrant.com


With XBMC I can combine network shares into virtual dirs so I could have 10 NAS's and it would all appear seemlessly to be one large volume in XBMC. Plus you get capability to search by director, actors, etc that you don't get in any of the other (inexpensive) commercial media players...

Sean
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post #8 of 21
10/2/06 at 7:31pm
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Is anyone familiar with using NDAS over NAS/ReadyNAS?
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post #9 of 21
10/2/06 at 8:17pm
I would forget the NDAS and stick with the ReadyNAS NV. I have a 2 TB Infrant with 6 clients connected to the NAS-mostly for HD ts's but some DVD images also.
Works perfectly without the proprietary driver required of the NDAS technology.
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post #10 of 21
10/2/06 at 8:28pm
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That settles the Network Attached Storage device.

This is my choice:

Infrant ReadyNAS NV 3.0 Terabyte
http://www.amazon.com/ReadyNAS-RNV1-...&s=electronics

Which media player goes best with a stricly NAS storage based setup. All of my media will strictly be located on my ReadyNas 3.0 Terabyte system.

Mediagate
Rhapsody
or Tvix?
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post #11 of 21
10/3/06 at 9:38am
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Originally Posted by $ick View Post

Mediagate
Rhapsody
or Tvix?

Make you client happy.

Repackage some old xboxen into nice cases, and give him XBMC.
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post #12 of 21
10/3/06 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by Slack View Post

Make you client happy.

Repackage some old xboxen into nice cases, and give him XBMC.

Can i purchase one all set up and ready to go?
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post #13 of 21
10/3/06 at 3:07pm
I'm actually waiting to see what apples offering looks like the beginning of next year. If it lets you play dvd iso's and has a slick interface then it will be a no brainer as the winner. If it doesn't (and if it doesn't look that functionality can be added) then I'll pick up an old xbox and mod it.
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post #14 of 21
10/4/06 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by $ick View Post

Which media player goes best with a stricly NAS storage based setup. All of my media will strictly be located on my ReadyNas 3.0 Terabyte system.

You may also want to look into a UPnP based player such as the z500 or helios. I believe both of those will work out of the box with the ReadyNAS NV.

The only question would be how well they handle DVD menus, but you said earlier that this was not an important feature. If so, you can also look at the dlink DSM-520, and possibly the new Netgear EVA700.

Modified Xbox should work as well, possibly better.
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post #15 of 21
10/4/06 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by joachimm View Post

You may also want to look into a UPnP based player such as the z500 or helios. I believe both of those will work out of the box with the ReadyNAS NV.

The only question would be how well they handle DVD menus, but you said earlier that this was not an important feature. If so, you can also look at the dlink DSM-520, and possibly the new Netgear EVA700.

Modified Xbox should work as well, possibly better.

Playing a dump of DVD images or Video_TS folders in an organized fashion is what I am primarly looking for. Also an MP3 player.

I don't necessarily need all the fancy features to play DivX/XviD, etc. It's primarly going to be used for DVD's and MP3.

I know the XBMC has synchronization with IMDB, does any other devices have something where it can grab movie details and artwork from the internet? Or is that exclusive to the XBMC?
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post #16 of 21
10/5/06 at 7:39am
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Originally Posted by $ick View Post

I know the XBMC has synchronization with IMDB, does any other devices have something where it can grab movie details and artwork from the internet? Or is that exclusive to the XBMC?

Sounds like XBMC is what you want- I'm not aware of any commercial products that integrate with IMDB (doesn't mean there aren't any). But I doubt that a vendor would add this since it opens them up to a lawsuit and adds an external dependancy that could create support issues for them.
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post #17 of 21
10/6/06 at 6:35am
Another vote for xbmc. It is a great software package; I have two running in my house. I have mine connected to a mythtv backend server, so the xbox not only can play backedup dvds and music, but act as a pvr (not to mention it plays xbox games). Plus xbmc is very mature at this point with the release of 2.0 last week.

Just buy some old xboxes off of ebay for about $80 dollars, mod them, install xbmc, and then put the hardware in a nice htpc case. I recommend using a chip so that you can mod it to turn on with a remote.

The only draw back is no HD playback, but it can play Half Res HD (960X540).

If you dont have any experience, xbox-scene.com has some great tutorials.
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post #18 of 21
10/7/06 at 12:53pm
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Originally Posted by iamrandyray View Post

can windows xp pro handle over 2tb on a single drive?

Yes, as long as you partition it as NTFS. The limit is in the petabye range. (By "single drive", I assume you mean "array"?)
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post #19 of 21
10/11/06 at 7:27pm
$ick,

If you already purchased your entertainment server, great and have fun. If not, take a look at this (http://1.coworldcs.com/product/soho/...ckdual1_en.php). Although its not out yet (Q4), they are saying NDAS is faster than NAS which I must agree. I have 2 Rapsody N35 with one N35 with 400GB hard drive. Copying files to the hard drive through the network is faster using NDAS than NAS. Also the second N35 recognizes the fist with the hard drive as a NDAS server. I'm waiting for this server to come out on the market.
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post #20 of 21
10/11/06 at 11:14pm
This is what I have just done, got hold of an old dual processor server, left the old 20GB SCSI drive for the OS and nothing else, and put 3 400GB HDDs on the IDE bus. Bit noisy but it is going to live in a special little room/cupboard so that isn't an issue.

Then finally found the TViX 5000. Now all I have to figure out is how many TViX's can connect to the same server....

Pretty cheap solution.
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post #21 of 21
3/12/07 at 4:58pm
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Can i purchase one all set up and ready to go?

Did you ever get an answer? I'm also looking into getting a couple Xboxen for XBMC and I would rather buy one already set to go.
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