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post #1651 of 1962
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Originally Posted by djordan View Post

Does this enhanced, "CW-epg-schedules direct-myhd" guide allow you to select from the incoming HDHR tuner streams? and watch live via the MyHD screens?

No. AFAIK you can not view HDHR live streams directly thru MyHD. However, as Ebo mentioned in progress HDHR recordings can be viewed.

What you can do with the MyHD (CW-EPG) populated guide is select a program to add to CW-EPGs list of programs to match, which will initiate an instance of CW-EPG to attempt any scheduling of that new entry and of course, add to CW-EPGs list for future scheduling. If you had HDHR tuners set as higher priorties in CW_EPG, the scheduling attempt should schedule to those HDHR tuners as long as there aren't any conflicts.


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Originally Posted by djordan View Post

Could you initiate recording from the myHD remote somehow? (and then somehow return to watching the second tuner?).

See above....
post #1652 of 1962
Thanks hdtvincr,

That really helps clarify the capabilities and limitations of this approach...
I probably should take advantage of the free trials out there for the various PVR's...
post #1653 of 1962
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Originally Posted by djordan View Post

You mention some glitches trying to play a file in progress...I will be using an am2+ 7750 system with an nvidia 8300 so I'm hoping my CPU / VGA should not be a limitation.

HDTVinCR answered your other questions about CW_EPG. If you weren't aware, he's the principal developer of it.

I'm pretty sure the glitch problem is that the computer must be prepared to handle all bytes from the HDHR as they arrive or they will be lost. A large Ethernet port buffer and perhaps other tweaks can help. I had similar glitches with nothing else going on except the usual background processes when I first got the HDHR and used it with the motherboard's 10/100 port. The port driver wouldn't let me adjust the buffer (if any) so I switched to a gigabit port that did. That helped a lot. I don't think the port speed made any difference because the HDHR isn't gigabit and the maximum data rate is well below 100 Mbps.
post #1654 of 1962
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

That's a pretty accurate assumption.

Signal Strength is RF signal strength
Signal Quality is Signal-to-Noise-Ratio
Symbol Quality is how much of the stream the HDHomeRun is able to decode

Of the three, the least important is signal strength. Even if you get a 50% signal strength, if you get 100% signal quality and symbol quality, you'll get a good stream. The symbol quality basically needs to always be 100% or you get break-ups in the stream.

I've been using the hdhr in 2 different houses and both setups did not have enough signal strength from cable to get good results.
What would happen is that the signal strength would drop in the yellow range (below 80 I think) and the symbol quality would not be 100%.
So I had to add a signal booster and when I did that the signal quality would go up to mostly 90's range and the symbol quality would always be 100. Signal quality didn't really change. So it seems that signal strength was quite important.
post #1655 of 1962
Thanks again ebo.
For me personally, the MyHD was a great solution for years. But now I have a roomate, and our collective viewing habits make this a bit more complicated.

I'm probably going to have to learn some of these things on my own...and still looking for a deal on the hdhr too!
post #1656 of 1962
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Originally Posted by djordan View Post


GBPVR? MediaPortal? CWEPG? MythTV?
Pay for Windows Media Center? Pay for SageTV? Pay for Beyond TV?
Which would be the best recommendation?
Is a remote control feasible?

Thanks for any and all input.

I also came from a MyHD card. I played with a few pieces of software and just fell in love with BeyondTV's ease of use. I picked up the software and the FireFly remote they had in a bundle a while back. Best deal I ever made for my HTPC....until the DishNetwork 722 just about retired the HDHR almost a year ago.
post #1657 of 1962
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Originally Posted by djordan View Post

... collective viewing habits make this a bit more complicated.

Nothing stopping you from getting two HDHR devices for a total of four tuners. I often see two concurrent recordings, and have generated situations with four concurrent recordings...all worked perfectly. In my case, driven by CW_EPG.

Something I didn't see (might have been mentioned...I only skimmed) some of us (ok, let's just say "I") can play back in-process recordings with one cpu running, but not with both enabled.

--Dale--
post #1658 of 1962
Dale--

You're not alone. MyHD relies on the same file-access APIs for in-process recording playback as for networked files and--as we all know--that doesn't work if you have multi-CPU or hyperthreading enabled in Windows. (But since neither HDHR recording nor MyHD requires that much CPU muscle there's no problem in using a single-core setup)
post #1659 of 1962
Sometimes when I am watching a SD program on an HD channel, there is a line on the top of the screen. Any idea why this happens?
post #1660 of 1962
Hi,

Like several other folks, I am also coming from a MyHD system. I've had my present computer for years and it is time to replace it. It presently has two cards: a MyHD120 and a HiDTV card (from eons ago). This allows me to watch one channel and record another.

I'm assembling a new Vista multi-core system and need a new HDTV system. I'm deciding between the FusionHDTV7 Dual Express and the HDHomeRun. I was leaning towards the Fusion since it works with TitanTV and my wife is happy with that method of recording. Page 31 of this forum (starting around post# 900) discusses this, but it sounds like HDHR doesn't support the "TitanTV red circle" click-to-program method.

I really like the networkability of the HDHR (I wired my house with gigabit ethernet in each room), but I'm worried that I'd be giving up ease of use and losing capability. Between the MyHD card, the TitanTV program guide, and the MyHD player, we've been very happy with this setup.

Other than VMC or BeyondTV, it doesn't sound like there's a clear consensus in these 1600+ posts about what a "good" HDHR system looks like. So I'd appreciate a configuration table if you have a good system that you are happy with.


Thanks for any insights,

Scott

PS Also, what is the difference between the HDHR and the HDHRtech? It isn't obvious from the SiliconDust web pages.
post #1661 of 1962
TotalMedia (included as a free download with the HDHomeRun) uses TitanTV as its EPG and supports the "click the red circle to record" functionality. The rest of the big programs all have their own integrated EPGs, but they all pretty much operate the same way: pull up the guide, click on the show you want to record, and choose to record the episode or the series.

The tech version includes pro features like calibrated signal readings, QAM/8VSB constellation plots, automatic boot-time configuration, and multicasting. The regular HDHomeRun is what you want if you're building a standard home PVR.
post #1662 of 1962
Keep in mind that the free Windows 7 release candidate is out. The Win7 Media Center is a lot nicer than Vista.

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Originally Posted by 645824 View Post

Hi,

Like several other folks, I am also coming from a MyHD system. I've had my present computer for years and it is time to replace it. It presently has two cards: a MyHD120 and a HiDTV card (from eons ago). This allows me to watch one channel and record another.

I'm assembling a new Vista multi-core system and need a new HDTV system. I'm deciding between the FusionHDTV7 Dual Express and the HDHomeRun. I was leaning towards the Fusion since it works with TitanTV and my wife is happy with that method of recording. Page 31 of this forum (starting around post# 900) discusses this, but it sounds like HDHR doesn't support the "TitanTV red circle" click-to-program method.

I really like the networkability of the HDHR (I wired my house with gigabit ethernet in each room), but I'm worried that I'd be giving up ease of use and losing capability. Between the MyHD card, the TitanTV program guide, and the MyHD player, we've been very happy with this setup.

Other than VMC or BeyondTV, it doesn't sound like there's a clear consensus in these 1600+ posts about what a "good" HDHR system looks like. So I'd appreciate a configuration table if you have a good system that you are happy with.


Thanks for any insights,

Scott

PS Also, what is the difference between the HDHR and the HDHRtech? It isn't obvious from the SiliconDust web pages.
post #1663 of 1962
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Originally Posted by 645824 View Post

PS Also, what is the difference between the HDHR and the HDHRtech? It isn't obvious from the SiliconDust web pages.

# Digital broadcast diagnostics/troubleshooting.
# Head-end monitoring.
# Enterprise site-wide multicast streaming.
post #1664 of 1962
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Originally Posted by Scallica View Post

Sometimes when I am watching a SD program on an HD channel, there is a line on the top of the screen. Any idea why this happens?

your tv is underscanning. the only way to fix it is to zoom in a little, if possible.
post #1665 of 1962
645824:
I'm currently using a MyHD card primarily for playback; it's still the best way for me to play MPEG2 on an older computer without taxing its CPU or video system. I added an HDHR, using CW_EPG to schedule recordings on both devices. CW_EPG doesn't have a nice grid like TitanTV so it isn't as easy to schedule one-off recordings (although you can) but it is much better at recording recurring shows. It uses info from a Schedules Direct subscription ($20/yr) and also populates MyHD's OSD guide with that info, replacing the normal PSIP guide. If I needed more tuners I'd definitely add another HDHR. BTW, CW_EPG also works with Fusion tuners.

HDHR advantages: Due to its Ethernet connection and minimalist interface, it works or can be made to work with just about anything: Windows, Linux or Mac running several different multimedia programs. It's one of the few tuners that enables clear QAM tuning under Windows Media Center. New motherboard designs won't make it obsolete.

HDHR disadvantages: Most people will want to use software other than what it comes with. I tried TotalMedia, didn't like it and deleted it. But there are many other choices, some free, some not. Also, since it uses UDP data transfer, the receiving computer must be ready to deal with the bytes as they arrive or they'll be lost. I had lots of glitches in my files until I switched from an Ethernet port with an unadjustable and probably small buffer to one I could enlarge. I still have occasional glitches when the computer is busy doing something else such as opening the MyHD app (once opened it's OK).

It's getting increasingly difficult to make a MyHD card work with newer hardware and Windows versions so I can understand why many are abandoning it. An ideal solution might be a networked media player (not sure which one) fed from a separate file server that runs CW_EPG to collect programs from a bank of HDHRs.

I haven't tried MythTV on Linux yet, but from what I've read that might be another good choice. It too supports the HDHR.
post #1666 of 1962
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Originally Posted by 645824 View Post

Hi,
Other than VMC or BeyondTV, it doesn't sound like there's a clear consensus in these 1600+ posts about what a "good" HDHR system looks like. So I'd appreciate a configuration table if you have a good system that you are happy with.

Getting a single "best" solution is going to be near impossible, but here's what's worked great for me over the past few years.

* HDHomeRun
* SageTV running on my home server, dedicated NIC for SageTV
* HD100 High Definition Media Extender
* HD200 High Definition Media Extender

All of the above are connected into a dedicated gigabit ethernet switch. That gigabit switch is then uplinked into my main Linksys router. This switch is isolated on it's own subnet / vlan. I run the Tomato firmware, which allows for additional support such as vlans, and QoS. Regular PCs connect through the Linksys wired or wireless ports. This gives me a few benefits. Since it's a dedicated network, I shouldn't have to worry about broadcast storms or address collisions caused by wireless users or other pcs in the house. Also, since all the sage gear is on a separate switch, I can troubleshoot / reboot the router at anytime without messing up my TV recordings or playback.

No media is actually played through the server, everything goes to an extender. I've found this to work great since I don't need to load codecs, and there's no additional CPU load by playing back media on the server itself. Everything is streamed to an extender which handles playback, with no transcoding required which minimizes CPU usage on the server.

Overall, I've been happy with SageTV from a software perspective. There's lots of plugins and good community support. Actual support is fairly slow, however. It usually takes a couple of days for them to respond.

Hope that helps.
post #1667 of 1962
anybody else here keeping upto date on the hdhr firmware and software changes? they have released a few beta recently to help make the line-up server better.

with comcast in the midst of a lot of changes, it would help if the hdhr line-up server was more helpful when changes occur.
post #1668 of 1962
So where is a good place to sell my HD Homerun. It works I just don't use it anymore. Would like to get $100 out of it if possible.

thanks,

J
post #1669 of 1962
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Originally Posted by jjchambers View Post

So where is a good place to sell my HD Homerun. It works I just don't use it anymore. Would like to get $100 out of it if possible.

thanks,

J

I might be interested... where are you located?
post #1670 of 1962
Just south of you in Sarasota,FL. I was actually just in Treasure Island for Memorial Day, my in-laws have a condo there for the week.

I did have someone PM me earlier so I will give him a chance to respond then you are next in line.

Jeremiah
post #1671 of 1962
Here is a link to where I have some pictures listed:

http://www.x-h2o.com/showthread.php?t=55928

If you have trouble seeing them, I can re-post them here this evening.

J
post #1672 of 1962
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Originally Posted by jjchambers View Post

Just south of you in Sarasota,FL. I was actually just in Treasure Island for Memorial Day, my in-laws have a condo there for the week.

I did have someone PM me earlier so I will give him a chance to respond then you are next in line.

Jeremiah

Kewel
post #1673 of 1962
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Originally Posted by jimwhite View Post

I might be interested... where are you located?

nevermind, he just sent the money. Unit is sold.
post #1674 of 1962
My HDHR's Ethernet no longer gets link. I've swapped cables and ports and my GigE switch no longer loves the HDHR. Any ideas? It's way past warranty expiration.
post #1675 of 1962
Does it get a link if you connect it directly to the PC (without a switch/router)?
post #1676 of 1962
Nope. Not that it should matter.
post #1677 of 1962
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Originally Posted by jabbathespud View Post

Nope. Not that it should matter.

If it did, it would have pointed to the switch as the culprit. I haven't seen one lose link so I can't help beyond that. You should post in the Silicondust forums if you haven't already.
post #1678 of 1962
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Originally Posted by jabbathespud View Post

My HDHR's Ethernet no longer gets link. I've swapped cables and ports and my GigE switch no longer loves the HDHR. Any ideas? It's way past warranty expiration.

Had the same exact problem. They replaced the box and didn't ask when I bought it.
post #1679 of 1962
Will this thing broadcast analog chanels? Since I have basic cable and chanels like Discovery are not digital.
post #1680 of 1962
The HDHR Works with over the air or digital cable channels only. Cable channels must be in the clear meaning not encrypted. Typically only local channels will be in the clear while everything else like the Discovery Channel etc. will be encrypted.
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