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post #1861 of 1962
Hi,

From:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post19755735

Quote:


My LAN connection does not come back immediately from standby in WinXP.)

Is your router on all the time as well as the HDHR tuners?

SHF
post #1862 of 1962
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

Hi,

From:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post19755735



Is your router on all the time as well as the HDHR tuners?

SHF


The HTPC and the HDHR are connected to a Netgear 10/100 ethernet switch. The router is in another room and has no permanent connection to the HTPC, at the moment. And yes, the router, the switch, and the HDHR are on all the time. Thanks for your help.
post #1863 of 1962
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad Theimpaler View Post

The HTPC and the HDHR are connected to a Netgear 10/100 ethernet switch. The router is in another room and has no permanent connection to the HTPC, at the moment. And yes, the router, the switch, and the HDHR are on all the time. Thanks for your help.

Hi,

I think that you have a new HDHR so this is perhaps an unnecessary question.

Is your HDHR firmware up to date? I remember a change in the firmware that is perhaps related.

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1. I do not have easy access to the web (for downloading SD data) from my living room HTPC, but it can be done on a "need-to" basis.

OK, now I understand the bigger problem.

For CW_EPG to operate like I and most others use it, an always on connection to the Internet is required.

The automatic downloading of listings once a day is needed to be done hands off.

The router also needs to be connected to your HDHR and HTPC all the time I believe.

The router can provide network information quickly, Windows XP can provide network information but much more slowly. If I understand how your network is working now I wonder how only a two minute delay allows it to work.

EDIT:
The term "Master Browser' produces an useless description and a notice that XP is different. Like so many documents about networking they just are readable only by persons who know all about what is in the document already.

I did one time find a document that provided an usefull description of networking but I did not save where the document was and it was deleted from the MSDN Library. /EDIT:

My first router was a $25 Airlink Wireless one from Fry's. I just quickly found a $10 USB Wireless adapter at Microcenter. (~ $35 total.) Fast enough for downloading listings.

My current Wireless N router cost ~ $150 and my new USB Wireless N adapter $90.

I am able to transfer Captures from my HTPC to my Laptop or spare HTPC very fast. Actually to / from my Network Attached Storage (NAS).

You need to rethink how you are connecting your computers, your present configuration will not work for intended CW_EPG HTPC operation.

SHF
post #1864 of 1962
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

I think that you have a new HDHR so this is perhaps an unnecessary question.

Is your HDHR firmware up to date? I remember a change in the firmware that is perhaps related.

I'll double-check the HDHR firmware and make sure it is current. Thanks


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Originally Posted by SFischer1 View Post

OK, now I understand the bigger problem.
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You need to rethink how you are connecting your computers, your present configuration will not work for intended CW_EPG HTPC operation.

Understood. I'm actually waiting for the last piece of the puzzle to arrive at my door - a powerline adapter that I intend to use to bridge my router (internet gateway) to the Netgear switch in the living room. I ordered it back in early November (along with HDHR and Netgear switch), but Amazon is having trouble tracking one down to fulfill my order. For now, I just drag a 50ft. Cat5e patch cable from the living room to the router whenever I need to have internet access to the HTPC. It's only temporary... and hopefully short-term
post #1865 of 1962
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Originally Posted by Vlad Theimpaler View Post

...
Understood. I'm actually waiting for the last piece of the puzzle to arrive at my door ...

Hi,

final answer here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post19756545

I was wishing that Terry would provide the final answer. Please be sure and let us know if it all works.

SHF
post #1866 of 1962
I've got a somewhat general question about this unit. I've been using an Avermedia Duet dual tuner PCI card in an MCE HTPC for over a year with great results (my wife took it over as her PVR after using a HDD based DVDr). I wanted to set up a second HTPC and started looking at new alternatives for tuners. The Avermedia card was my first choice again until I saw the price of this coming down to below $100. The topology of this unit would work better in my house (I have CAT5 at the new HTPC location but no coax). Is the integration in MC the same as a built in tuner? Any performance issues? Actually, if this works well enough I could even remove the built in tuner in the first HTPC as the programs I would record and my wife records don't usually overlap.

Any converts out there with advice?
post #1867 of 1962
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Originally Posted by biker19 View Post

Is the integration in MC the same as a built in tuner? Any performance issues?

I've got 2 USB tuners and 1 HDHomerun and as far as MC is concerned, they're treated the same. I have 4 tuners total and it will grab them in tuner priority. I have the HDHomerun tuners set up to be first choice, followed by the USB tuners. The HDHR tuners seems to be slightly better at grabbing signal, that's why I have them higher in the priority list. My HDHR is in the basement on the network whereas the 2 USB tuners are upstairs attached to the PC.
post #1868 of 1962
Well, I used to follow this thread, which was begun back in 2006, but haven't really kept up in the last couple of years. So I am not familiar with the current info on this device.

My economic situation is such that I need to reduce my cable bill (what a shock!). I am planning on turning in the DVR soon. I will go through the entire thread, but I thought I would ask a few questions.

If I remember, this device has two QAM tuners, and connects to your network rather than a PC. I live in Hollywood and have TW Cable. My TV is a five year old Sony WEGA KD-30XS955 (tube, not LCD nor Plazma). It has a digital tuner, but I recently connected the cable directly to see what channels it could tune without a cable box. It detected 30 analogue and over 500 digital channels, but was only able to display the analogue. My brother has an LCD HDTV, also with TW Cable, and his set can display channels such as CNN, FX, VH-1, etc. But during his set up, he had to choose between STD, HRC, and IRC signals.
My set had nothing like that. I assume that is why it is not able to display more channels? I should mention it does display channel numbers like 4.22, 4.78 (something like that), but no picture.

If I remember correctly, the HD Homerun is capable of tuning in all non scrambled QAM channels?

Edit: Looking at silicondusts channel line up for TWC, it is confusing, because they list four seperate channel line up's for Hollywood with TW, but all show only the broadcast networks in HD, CNN, etc. appear to only be available in standard def. I suppose they scramble the HD versions.

I plan to use an old XP Mediacenter (Dual core 3Ghz, 2 gigs Ram, etc.). Hopefully this will be sufficient until I can afford a Windows 7 machine. In response to the post below, I have TW Internet, so I know the TV signal will continue. However, I may keep basic broadcast just in case (it's only about $12/mo I think).

Can anyone answer these questions, or maybe point me to a part of the thread that discusses this?

Thanks.
post #1869 of 1962
You are correct, it will tune all unscrambled QAM channels. I only had a few local channels and Discovery on TW in Dallas. When you cancel, they may disconnect completely, so you may need to prepare for an antenna.
post #1870 of 1962
Technically, it will tune all encrypted and non-encrypted. You would just have no way to decrypt the encrypted channels so you can effectively only use the HDHomeRun (or any clear QAM tuner) with unencrypted channels.
post #1871 of 1962
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Originally Posted by leebo View Post

. . . I have TW Internet, so I know the TV signal will continue. However, I may keep basic broadcast just in case (it's only about $12/mo I think).

You should keep basic broadcast not only to stay legal, but also because if you subscribe only to Internet the cable company is free to filter out the TV channels if it chooses. Over on SiliconDust's own forum there are recent posts that suggest that TWC may be doing exactly that in some areas.
post #1872 of 1962
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Originally Posted by ebo View Post

You should keep basic broadcast not only to stay legal, but also because if you subscribe only to Internet the cable company is free to filter out the TV channels if it chooses. Over on SiliconDust's own forum there are recent posts that suggest that TWC may be doing exactly that in some areas.

TWC in South West Ohio does exactly that. The filter they install will stop all but a couple of independent affiliates that nobody cares about.
post #1873 of 1962
Hey all,

I have a dual-tuner HDHR attached to a small home network. Here's a simple diagram of the network:


Netgear 10/100 switch
|
|---> HTPC (w/ onboard GigE NIC)
|
|---> HDHR
|
|---> Netgear powerline adapter bridge ---> Linksys GigE router (LAN) ---> DSL modem


When I was building the network, the Netgear 10/100 switch came online first, before the Netgear powerline adapter (PLA) bridge. In this configuration, there was no access to the router/internet (obviously). Upon powerup, the HTPC (running WinXP Pro 32-bit) would come up, and the network icon on the system tray would always say: "The network has limited or no connectivity." Despite that warning message, I was able to use HDHR to record to the HTPC through the 10/100 switch.

I later added the Netgear PLA bridge, and thus obtained a connection to the router/internet from the HTPC. After this addition, my HTPC's network icon in the system tray never gave the "limited or no network connectivity" warning message. And I was able to surf the net from the HTPC. HDHR continued to work fine with this upgraded network configuration.

Then my problem occured.

The problem is that during a HDHR recording session, the PLA bridge went down. This broke the link from the HTPC to the router, and I got the system tray warning "The network has limited or no connectivity." At that point, the data stream from the HDHR was no longer getting to the HTPC through the 10/100 switch (which never went down like the PLA bridge), so the recording was truncated... but the recording application (CW_EPG) did properly timestamp and close the .tp file at the time the recording was scheduled to end.

Does anyone know how the recording failed, even though the 10/100 switch remained on? I'm not an expert in the area of networking, so I am appealing to the collective knowledge of the community here. Thank you in advance for any insight into this issue.
post #1874 of 1962
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vlad Theimpaler View Post

Hey all,

I have a dual-tuner HDHR attached to a small home network. Here's a simple diagram of the network:


Netgear 10/100 switch
|
|---> HTPC (w/ onboard GigE NIC)
|
|---> HDHR
|
|---> Netgear powerline adapter bridge ---> Linksys GigE router (LAN) ---> DSL modem


When I was building the network, the Netgear 10/100 switch came online first, before the Netgear powerline adapter (PLA) bridge. In this configuration, there was no access to the router/internet (obviously). Upon powerup, the HTPC (running WinXP Pro 32-bit) would come up, and the network icon on the system tray would always say: "The network has limited or no connectivity." Despite that warning message, I was able to use HDHR to record to the HTPC through the 10/100 switch.

I later added the Netgear PLA bridge, and thus obtained a connection to the router/internet from the HTPC. After this addition, my HTPC's network icon in the system tray never gave the "limited or no network connectivity" warning message. And I was able to surf the net from the HTPC. HDHR continued to work fine with this upgraded network configuration.

Then my problem occured.

The problem is that during a HDHR recording session, the PLA bridge went down. This broke the link from the HTPC to the router, and I got the system tray warning "The network has limited or no connectivity." At that point, the data stream from the HDHR was no longer getting to the HTPC through the 10/100 switch (which never went down like the PLA bridge), so the recording was truncated... but the recording application (CW_EPG) did properly timestamp and close the .tp file at the time the recording was scheduled to end.

Does anyone know how the recording failed, even though the 10/100 switch remained on? I'm not an expert in the area of networking, so I am appealing to the collective knowledge of the community here. Thank you in advance for any insight into this issue.

Did it go down completely until the PLA came back up or did it go down for awhile then recover on it's own?

The only thing I can think of is that possibly spanning tree protocol (if it is running on the switch) had to re-converge when the PLA went down. If that happens then all the ports on the switch go from "forwarding" mode to
"learning" while it is detecting loops (which is what spanning-tree does.) During the time, all normal packet flow stops, once the switch is out of learning mode and back to forwarding mode, normal traffic resumes.
post #1875 of 1962
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Originally Posted by jmallory View Post
Did it go down completely until the PLA came back up or did it go down for awhile then recover on it's own?

The only thing I can think of is that possibly spanning tree protocol (if it is running on the switch) had to re-converge when the PLA went down. If that happens then all the ports on the switch go from "forwarding" mode to
"learning" while it is detecting loops (which is what spanning-tree does.) During the time, all normal packet flow stops, once the switch is out of learning mode and back to forwarding mode, normal traffic resumes.

Thanks for responding. The PLA went down completely, because it was placed erroneously on an outlet that is controlled by a switch. The switch was turned off causing the PLA to go down.

This problem has made me reconsider how to create a permanent connection from the HTPC in the living room to the router + DSL modem in the back room.

I don't think I'm giving up on the PLA just yet, but I think that I will replace the 10/100 switch with a new GigE router, and cascade that router (LAN-to-LAN) with the Linksys GigE router in the back room (the one with the DSL modem connected to WAN). In the event of a power outage or brownout, a UPS will keep the HTPC, the HDHR, and the new GigE router alive (for about 7 to 13 minutes anyway) and prevent any PLA failure from interrupting a HDHR recording session. If the PLA goes down, all I should lose is the internet access via the Linksys GigE router.

Is this a reasonable plan? Thanks in advance everyone.
post #1876 of 1962
Hi,

From: San Francisco, CA - OTA

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post20055706

Quote:
Originally Posted by kall_me_karl View Post

Looks like SiliconDust has revamped their HDHomeRun tuners...

http://www.silicondust.com/products/hdhomerun/atsc/


Karl
post #1877 of 1962
But still no CableCARD-equipped Prime...
post #1878 of 1962
Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan View Post

But still no CableCARD-equipped Prime...

Hi,

I needed to dig quite deep into the documentation to understand why Hollywood might allow it to be produced.

They may still be wary of it even though they (Hollywood) is actually designing it!

With as strong a guaranty that they will require, the "Unsinkable Titanic" would not have sunk.

Most people will be shocked by the constraints the hardware / software imposes on them.

Years ago it took several PMs to get someone to understand that he could not buy what he wanted not because it could not be made but because of the immediate lawsuit from Hollywood that would close the business.

SHF
post #1879 of 1962
I don't think it has much to do with Hollywood at all but everything to do with the cablecos who don't want to lose their their stranglehold on the gateway devices(cable provided STBs) that now dominate cable line terminations in households. CableCARD is the devil incarnate as far as they're concerned.
post #1880 of 1962
Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan View Post

I don't think it has much to do with Hollywood at all but everything to do with the cablecos who don't want to lose their their stranglehold on the gateway devices(cable provided STBs) that now dominate cable line terminations in households. CableCARD is the devil incarnate as far as they're concerned.

Hi,

YES the cablecos want to protect their signal. And make more money renting boxes.

But if you look at how DRM controls all hardware and software design, it's the movie companies that are in control. It is not just Silicon Dust, the title and wording of the document suggest that they are trying to keep Hollywood happy and it is a industry wide sponsored attempt.

May be I can find the document later, I was amazed that it was online for all to read.

EDIT: NO Find! Sorry

In any case, what we would like to do we will not be able. It does not matter who is in charge.

SHF
post #1881 of 1962
Hi,

From "alt.tvtech.hdtv"

Quote:


Watch HDTV Wirelessly on any Mac or PC in your Network

San Francisco, Calif. - May 16, 2011 - Elgato today released a dual network
tuner that allows users to watch HDTV wirelessly on either a Mac or PC.
HDHomeRun connects to a TV antenna or digital cable and wirelessly streams
live television in full HD to any Mac or PC in the house.

http://www.avguide.com/article/elgat..._content=TPV+2
LL
post #1882 of 1962
Just got the original 2 tuner hdhomerun on ebay for 50 bones. Looking for free software that works with this. Anyone have copy of working version that I can download?
post #1883 of 1962
Quote:
Originally Posted by a8vdeluxe View Post

Just got the original 2 tuner hdhomerun on ebay for 50 bones. Looking for free software that works with this. Anyone have copy of working version that I can download?

Silicon Dust Downloads

Enjoy !
post #1884 of 1962
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Originally Posted by gerhard911 View Post

Silicon Dust Downloads

Enjoy !

I downloaded your link and installed the windows drivers but there is no dvr software included. Only includes a quicktv viewer. I'm looking for free dvr software that will record from hdhomerun tuners and is compatible with Cliff's Watson dvr scheduler. Anyone using some free dvr that is compatible with Cliff's and hdhomerun?
post #1885 of 1962
I believe mediaportal is free but have not used it myself. Don't know what program guides work with it. Should be documented at the linked site.

Other media center/DVR applications supported.
post #1886 of 1962
Quote:
Originally Posted by a8vdeluxe View Post

I downloaded your like and installed the windows drivers but there is no dvr software included. Only includes a quicktv viewer. I'm looking for free dvr software that will record from hdhomerun tuners and is compatible with Cliff's Watson dvr scheduler. Anyone using some free dvr that is compatible with Cliff's and hdhomerun?

Hi,

??????

Cliff Watson EPG add-on for MyHD, FusionHDTV, and HD Homerun

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...57&postcount=1

Or are you talking about a different definition for "dvr".

Cliff Watson's captures are bulletproof if you do not have a flaky OTA location like me.


The Silicon Dust software does include "quicktv" viewer.

http://www.silicondust.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=55062

I use VLC Version 1.1.9 for live viewing controlled by the HDHR GUI. You have a choice of either "quicktv" or "VLC".

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

VLC version 10 crashed quite often so I went back to 1.1.9 and version 11 change log did not seem to have anything about the crashes (Reported back to the team) so I am sticking with 1.1.9 for now.

SHF
post #1887 of 1962
My last post was a misinformed question. Greenhorn did not know that hdhr and cw can schedule and record using hdhr tuner. Recording works fine when I have computer on but won't wake on standby.

My vlc version is ancient and it still, as a hdhr viewer, bogs down my system compared to quicktv.

Newbie can't figure out why cw wake recordings don't wake computer.
post #1888 of 1962
Homer--

If CW_EPG is correctly installed (and if your PC supports ACPI sleep states--nearly a certainty these days) the machine will wake up and execute scheduled HDHR recordings. Make sure that CWHelper is running (It should appear in your Startup folder and should respond to http://localhost:8181/help in your browser).

PS: The CWHelper entry in the Startup folder is normally labeled "CW-EPG Interface". If you had a legacy installation of CW_EPG you may also find an entry called "CW-EPG HDHomerun Interface", which you should delete from that folder.
post #1889 of 1962
Is anyone using or ever used a free dvr software compatible with hdhr (vlc is too limiting in my opinion). Currently, I record using hdhr mainly and watch recordings in myhd. I'd like to be able to watch another show sometimes without closing myhd and still have dvr functions on other free program. Total media and gbpvr seem to be 2 popular free dvrs supported. Any present or past users still out there, can either still be downloaded?
post #1890 of 1962
Probably a stupid question, but why don't you just use windows mediacenter?
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