Pioneer 60" FHD1 with 20000:1 contrast ratio

Whoa, that's gotta be a misprint, I can hardly imagine a contrast ratio THAT BIG!!! Of course, having LCD fetish all of the sudden, it's hard to think of plasma at this point. However, if the lifespan and the burn-in issues are cleaned up, then I may consider that option of a 60" plasma, but LCD, IMHO, may reach those contrast ratios soon enough, too. Most LCDs seem to have 4000:1, atm, at the highest dynamic contrast ratio, but this seems to be 5x that, I may want to look into that one.

Sounds like a winner, just have to read through Sound & Vision magazine and Consumer Reports to see what they have to say about this. It looks great, but is it really worth the hype? Just about like that Panasonic Plasma that is 103".

Plasmas don't have any lifespan issues. They'll last just as long as LCDs.

I agree it almost looks like it is crushing blacks but its near impossible to tell by jpg... interesting none the lest

Yep. All pictures are showing black crush but this is exiting news. I just wish these companies would publish their black levels. We are looking for great black levels and shadow detail. Please do not give us one without the other.

I love it that Pioneer throws the gauntlet down at Panasonic. There is nothing like competition

- Rich

So Pioneer goes the lame dynamic contrast ratio way. Oh well, atleast it means deeper blacks as this is 2nd gen 1080p plasma tech (as I already posted before )

Sign me up for one of those babies.

I'm assuming this is a 1080p plasma?

From a J6P point of view, I totally understand the move. Just pissed as I know the difference between dynamic and static.

As far as static goes, it should register around 7000:1. Damn good!!!!

Oh yeah!

If only it were 65" I'd give it serious consideration. But I really am looking forward to seeing it since it addresses the issue I have with the current FHD1, black levels. Looks like it didn't take Pioneer long to address this! Nice.

I'm still waiting to see the 65" Fujitsu that seemed to be a show stopper.

Hopefully late 2007....although that may slip into Q1 2008 (ouch). Gotta get more info on these babies.

Too long a wait. At some point you've got to bite the bullet. You know for sure that a month before the new Pioneer is released there will be news of something else. You'll be old and trailing your beard before you buy something if this kind of thing upsets you.

Well, I for one will wait. I'm not interested in any of the 1st gen 1080p plasmas. My current crop of plasmas will hold me until these babies come out........then I'll purchase 2 60" Pioneers (or 58" 1080p 2nd gen Panasonics )

I saw the Fujitsu at CEDIA and I was blown away. INSANELY small pixel structure. A beautiful image as well. It caught my eye before I even realized it was their new 1080p set.

So far this is just a 50"

Here is a link to Pio's wesite:

http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/content/...PDP5000EX.html

Nope, your link is for the current 5000EX. We are talking about it's replacement (which includes a 60" version).

The current 6070/1 is impressive enough , with 1080p and 20K:1 contrast ratio should be a home run. And just as it hits the market SED will launch at 5 or 50x that number, technology just keeps marching along, unfortunately the depreciation curve does as well ! 1 year now seems to be the milestone for planned obsolescence, ah well for us enthusiasts more bliss and more sets to scout out.

It looks like Pioneer is looking forward and is looking to compete against SED. 20k:1 is far from 100k:1 but at least as far as the pic goes it looks impressive. Hopefully by the time it comes out those prices will have significantly dropped.

Does anyone know what the contrast ratio is for the Pioneer 4270? My eyes tell me it is high but I have never seen it listed anywhere.

I wonder how loud the buzzing is going to sound on a 20000:1 CR display from Pioneer... Wish they would post specs for audible buzzing noise.

Holy mama! That looks like a helluva display! Wow. Why must they torture us, just as we are considering spending big bucks on the just released models?

BTW, people keep commenting about black crush in screen shots. People ....you are typically going to loose significant detail in both the brightest and darkest areas in a screen shot. Crushed blacks are typical, and it is hard to optimise a single exposure to capture the same amount of detail in two displays, in one shot, in which one display has signficantly lower black levels. It seems clear to me the black levels of that new pioneer simply fell below the proper exposure/dynamic range of the digital camera taking the shot. You can bet the real image won't have the ridiculous black crush of those screen shots.

Wow, you had one bad panel and all are crap eh? Get a grip Rieper.

4000:1 static

Rich and D-Nice, in another thread that you probably haven't seen a couple of us with 42" Elites are thinking of trading up to the 50". While we understand that PQ on SD will suffer we don't want to lose resolution on HD. Will moving from a 42 to a 50 degrade the picture? I'm sitting 13' and the other guy is 9'. Thanks.

If you were to put a 42" beside a 50", the 42's SD PQ would appear sharper due to the lower pixel count. However, both would look essentially the same (SD PQ wise) at 9 and 13'.

What about HD PQ, 42 vs 50? is there any degredation as the screen gets larger?