Official Sharp Aquos 42D62U/46D62U/52D62U Owner's Thread (NO PRICE TALK!) - Page 38

Yeah sure your picture is great right now, but just think about 8 months from now, if your not seeing it now just think later down the road. This banding issue is only going to get worse in time. good luck

woah woah woah!

Banding gets worse with time? I never read that?

dude, quit with the fear-mongering. From your posts it's clear what your agenda is.
Every one of us actual owners who has banding has seen it straight away, as far as I can gather (or within a day or two at most). There's no reason whatsoever to believe these TVs are going to deterioriate any more than any other.
Like the other owners here, I eagerly wait to see what, if anything, can be done to address this.

Are you using a power conditioner?? I would try to get a high quality power strip maybe that might stop the noise. I have read in this thread and saw others having had that same issue with this TV, its too bad. Well good luck
hej du!

banding doesnt go away, it just gets darker over time. Then it causes the picture to look uneven.

For my $0.02 worth, my first immediate reaction was "those are hum bars" for the lack of a better description. Well they are not real hum bars but to me look like a noise artifact left over from video processing. There is a lot of high frequency, hi-tech video circuitry in these sets.

Especially so since 'bpmurr' has the same problem on a Westy 47-w1.

This is only an opinion, no hands on experence with the Sharps, just some old old experience with some old cranky tvs, and an electronics background.

-- Brandy

So post your supportive background to make these statements - coming from someone with no profile to support your statements please do share your expertise to make such rash judgements - you want to speak up then back it up with something besides hot air. You want to share these assertions support them with objective fact and sources not BS! Please demonstrate to us you have the education, experience and certifications to support your statements as this is a technical forum not a gossip house.

This not Junior High School - Please divulge the science and your credentials that demonstrate some kind of credibility - a technical professional would not address these issues in the manner you are with one line quips and no answer as to why? No science mentioned just rash statements that have no foundation to support them.

Please bring some type of supportive credibility to your assertions otherwise they aren't worth a damn!From what technical background reference point are you addressing these statements? If you can throw out random statements can you equally back each up with "Objective" science to support your assertions? I doubt it!I think we're witnessing Subjective Trash Talk from someone that is not an AV Professional and please do present something to prove me wrong. Technical Profesionals simply do not speak and make statements as you are in this thread. They back up their debate points with evidence and quantify them they don't casually defame and slander a product.

Here's his Agenda folks! Justifying his experience in the XBR3 thread isn't enough he's got to come trash a competitor. Enjoy your Sony it's a great panel but not an excuse to defame the competition. Sad!Sony has had more than it's share and I only need to mention the color GREEN and BLOB to prove my point and that one is FACT.

I got my 46" panel running with my 360 and desktop. I have banding but it is only noticible when I test for it or at certain moments when I'm doing something on my desktop and there is a big uniform colored area. (Like from a word doc or something) I got the extended warranty so I think I'll just exchange mine in a few months when all of the kinks are worked out. I will try to take some pics later but really I've never noticed the banding when playing a game on the comp or 360. (Yet) I haven't watched a movie on it yet either. Oh, and I don't have the red push problem.

As far as the good news... man this TV looks -awesome- when used as a computer monitor. Fully zoomed out in World Of Warcraft my friend's avatar was still 4in tall. There is so much detail that I never saw before, even with my 24" computer monitor. All I can say is: "Wow" and any regret I had over spending this money (a lot for me) is gone now.

-Brian

P.S. Thanks all of the people on the boards here for helping a lurker like me find a great tv. I've been reading posts for almost a year and have learned so much, so thank you very much.

-Brian

The new factory does seem to be producing good panels though. Very few reports of stuck/dark pixels. It will be interesting to find out when this problem is resolved if it was a Sharp manufactured part that caused the problem. Looking at the posted pictures it is hard to see how a firmware fix could fix the problem (looks too much like the dark area locations vary on each set).

Given Sharp's response to past problems I would expect them to take care of all the early adopters.

Well how should I put this. A blotch just appeared on my panel. I attached some pictures. First one was taken when I first noticed it. The other two were taken about 20 minutes later. I tried to wipe the screen to see if it was on the surface but no it's below the glass. I have no idea what might have caused it. Impact? I have a 2 year old who might have thrown something there, but there are no impact marks on the glass (no scratches at all) and he was home (and under supervision) only for about 15 minutes today.

Did any of you see something similar before? I do not want to start a new hysteria, but I need to know if this is somehow my fault or if the panel somehow going loco on me. By the way I live in bay area so sea level, mild temps... occasional earthquakes though.

UPDATE: The blotch is now gone.

Never seen anything like that before, edges look too clean for an impact ... other poster has a smudge but the geometry on his looks more like its been wiped, this is crazy.

Exchange it, I would say.

Looks an awful lot like impact damage to me. As a parent of three young boys, I have plenty of impact damage to surfaces in my household, including the screen of my current RPTV. Looks to me like yours got whacked with something semi-soft which deformed on impact.

I'm partially basing this on desktop and laptop LCDs I've seen at work which have been damaged in a similar fashion. I've also seen the same thing (to a lesser degree) on the 3.5" LCD of my Zen Vision media player.

Sorry, dude.

Forgot to mention -- I agree with Mark, might as well exchange it. Who knows, might be some chemical film that didn't become visible until it'd been exposed to heat/light for a while.

But.. but... the surface is pristine, no marks no scratches. Nothing semi-soft lying around. Oh well, I was going to exchange it anyhow. Hope the next one has better luck. And no playing in the house from now on. House is for standing still.
Or I can go back to my "putting a magnetic repulsion field around the TV" idea. hmmmm. that might work.

I think sharp dropped the ball on this one. while we wait for the so call firmware to come, my return limit days are creeping up fast. If i said i was upset thats an understatement.

I picked up HD cable tonight and I am still blown away at how crisp everything looked. sure my bandings are minor, it seems as if they are getting worst or is it i know its there and at times i focus on it. they seriously annoyed me while watching discovery hd. or when it pans up.

I have a choice, stay 1080p or get a pioneer 5070. I do game on my xbox 360 and want a ps3 in the future. i am pretty willing to sacrifice 1080p, pc inputs and the rest. ( awesome SD on sharp )

just so i can have a set that give me pitch black, punchy colors, clean backlight, noise free. and nice details on 1080i.

I saw a pioneer 5070 i am seriously considering it. as my first plasma. I think lcd in general has too many issues. dead pixels, uneven backlight, angle color shifting.

sure plasmas has their share, but in the end. i want a great set. I will play with mine for the next 3 days. by next week, i will decide. very dissapointed sharp cuz i was one of your first adopters. I hope someone step forward and tell me a firmware will fix this issue ( i doubt very much )

Shinraven, although I don't yet own one of the new Sharps (not yet available in Canaduh) I truly feel your pain. I was really hoping the few reports of banding would be somewhat isolated but as this thread grows so do the problems. I too believe lcd isn't quite there yet, so I've made up my mind and am now looking at getting a Panasonic/Pioneer plasma. Happy viewing in whatever you pursue!
Mike

As someone who is more familiar with Panny and Pioneer plasma blacks and SXRD blacks how is shadow detail on these sets? Will a dark movie expose black crush or is there enough detail for movie viewing? The blacks don't have to be inky, just black enough with the ability to see detail in black uniforms etc.

I'd like to throw in my .02 worth on the banding issue. I currently am still undecided on a set but previously had the westy 42 inch for a month and returned it due to sound issues, banding and off axis viewing. I would like to say that anyone who has a real concern about this should check out the Westy 42 and 47 threads.

I may have only had my set for one month but several have kept their sets (my banding was barely noticable and the off axis viewing was the deal breaker for me) and must say it never got any worse for any of them to this day as I still check those threads. I will also say that as with this sharp the lines on those sets varried from barely noticable to horrific but never got worse and never improved.

I am leaning toward the Sony at this time (due to current promo at cc and having it beat at other stores) but haven't ruled the sharps out yet but must say I hate the idea of being one of those that has to play the return game as I did it three times with BB on my Westy and let me tell you my local BB has no customer service.

Well this is my opinion and the problem with the sharps could turn out to be completely different but it really sounds like it's the same issue. Chi Mei also makes their screens as I believed it was mentioned that they have assisted sharp with their current tech as well.

Thanks,

J

I feel for you Shinraven. However, I like the PQ and prospects of this TV too much to give up just yet. I will give it another try (either another 46 or a 52). That said I don't think I will play this game for too long simply because there are alternatives out there.

Sharp: in every major store I visited your TVs were always tucked into a corner with second grade lcds (if it was carried at all). I don't recall any TV ads, or newspaper ads or even online ones about your recent TVs. So basically over th years your entire marketing strategy in North America is reduced to "word of mouth". This forum is filled with enthusiasts who have influence on the purchases of their friends and even their employers, ie we are the word of mouth. So in the light of all these, this is reeeaaallly not the time to be silent. You are this close from being Engadget'ed, Cnet'ed or (god forbid) even Slashdot'ed.

Ok I feel better now.

There have been a bunch of aquos commercials in the last year, and a couple new ones that have been airing during major sporting events of the last week. So, maybe their commercials are not effective, if you dont remember them, but they certainly have had a marketing strategy.

Sharp is promoting these sets. I saw tons of commercials while watching HD baseball as well as huge banner by LGA airport. with their new slogan. they are right about the slogan. I do see everything.Its just that i see too much i dont want to see. ie banding. dead pixel.

I am sure this is an isolated problem with sharp. I am sure they are reading these forums and wont be happy when they get a ton of returns. but whatever it is. FIX IT !!!!!!!!!!!! if its a faulty part that can be resolved. its just i dont think i am willing to hang on to a faulty panel or wait for a fix that may never come and be out a few thousands.

They have 3 days. someone beter pm me. lol i am such a biatch ! you would be too if you were this pissed off. and let down.

Really interesting that this problem is old hat - i.e. Westy sets and the Taiwan connection. I saw what that connection did immediately when it crept into the 32d40, that panel with the purple washout, I was shocked Sharp put that thing out. Expected problems with the 42 but not the 46, 52 ...

Shin - discoveryHD is half of the reason to buy an hd set for me, if I could not watch that without getting annoyed, I'd be PO'ed. Hope it works out.

Good to see the TV is finally coming out in Europe. I am in the UK and have had this puppy on pre-order for almost 2 months now.

Could you have a look to see if it suffers from the banding issue? Also, how loud is the buzzing noise? Do you only notice it when close to the TV or sitting a couple of meters away (6.5 feet) too?

Cheers

As another UKer waiting on preorder, there's one thing I don't understand. Surely with a minimal amount of testing on their new panels, Sharp should have spotted the banding issues very quickly. Does this not suggest they have simply ignored it and punted them out anyway? I mean, did they really think nobody would notice, or not care about it? Makes no sense to me

I thought exactly the same thing. With the feeds being played in BB, it's almost impossible to pick out the uneven backlighting on the Sharp. Or maybe it's just specific sets. To any prospective buyer, I'd bring or view a copy of 'March of the Penguins'.. ideal panning-picture of snowy backgrounds in just the 1st 2 minutes to look for any defects. Even my wife noticed them yesterday. I just hooked up DishHD last night. DiscoveryHD looks AWESOME! My 1st in-home HD experience. However, light backgrounds and any panning will show the banding. Less than 5% of normal viewing and about 40% of 'Penquins'... What will be Sharp's repsonse to this problem? I've got over 3 weeks to take this set back; I'm very 'conflicted' considering that I've got an awesome 52" tv hanging on my wall w/ great PQ and black details....

[quote=Shinraven]Sharp is promoting these sets. I saw tons of commercials while watching HD baseball as well as huge banner by LGA airport. with their new slogan. they are right about the slogan. I do see everything.Its just that i see too much i dont want to see. ie banding. dead pixel.

I am sure this is an isolated problem with sharp. I am sure they are reading these forums and wont be happy when they get a ton of returns. but whatever it is. FIX IT !!!!!!!!!!!! if its a faulty part that can be resolved. its just i dont think i am willing to hang on to a faulty panel or wait for a fix that may never come and be out a few thousands.

They have 3 days. someone beter pm me. lol i am such a biatch ! you would be too if you were this pissed off. and let down.[/QUOTe



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I long for the good old days of fine tube type tvs. Before my present Panny (which I have had zero problems with by the way) I owned several Sony tube type tvs and never even thought about having any problems. You just went out and bought it and kept if for many years and never had anything less than great performance. Years ago,, we had tvs made in USA and, then, in Japan. I believe lots of these problems have come about by having these sets assembled all over the world with not as much quality control. I would imagine today there is very little pride in the work that goes into the tv sets. And, just maybe, we need a simpler set just to 'plug in' and enjoy with few controls on it. The controls are much to complicated for the average viewer. And some remote controls leave a lot to be desired.

True ... doesn't say much for what they seem to think of their customers.

I am hoping though that the delay in the European launch has something to do with these issues and hence the EU sets may actually be up to scratch.

Not sure where the sets are asembled but heard something about these being shipped from Germany. The VW cars made in Germany always seemed more reliable than those built in Mexico (so I've heard from our American cousins) so there's another thread of hope to hold on to for the peeps in Europe

If you have the banding on black screens like the photos posted earlier and your return limit is creeping up, exchange or return the unit. IMO it is unlikely firmware could fix that problem.

Sharp has taken care of their customers in the past by replacing units, but if you have a guaranteed exchange or return through your vendor, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

Some interesting reading on Sharp backlighting technology can be found here.