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post #1171 of 12251
Just wanted to post that I got my DVI/HDMi cable from a forum sponsor and tested out with my PC: My 46 has no Banding and I looked hard for it too. Also the colors are super sharp and crisp. I may still be in my honeymoon period. But I am loving my 46.
post #1172 of 12251
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Originally Posted by gdog2004 View Post

I have asked for the same thing--just a pic of batman begins at about the 6 minute 30 second mark...where bruce wayne is in prison and he has a dark cave wall next to him on the left.
On my 45" sharp 720p all the blacks are crushed...(yes the set was calibrated by avia..)
On the RP-SXRD (uncalibrated) you can see the shadow detail of the wall.

Ive seen at least 50 posted pictures of this set but none of them show shadow detail too well...
This in my mind would be an acid test as I am still considering this set despite the QC issues. cmon 52" owners...help us out !

I would if I had 'Batman Begins' ;-) Here are some dumbed-down shots from 'Penguins' and DishHD fashion. Both at 480i and a bad photographer... I personally think shadow detail and black levels on this set are some of the best available for a LCD.
LL
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post #1173 of 12251
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Originally Posted by dash77 View Post

for those using a motorola hd cable box 3400 series (supplied by comcast massachusetts) - the box gives you the option to adjust the hdmi color space settings supplied to the TV between rgb and ycc 4:4:4 -- i asked sharp support for the preferred signal and their response was "see what you think looks better" -- not scientific, but when connected via hdmi, the ycc 4:4:4 seems a better choice -- fyi advanced hdmi settings on the sharp do not allow changes to the signal (greyed-out/prohibited on the menu) - which makes me think the sharp auto detects and matches the signal from the hd box, but i think the ycc 4:4:4 signal from the box looks better -- may be exactly the same but thought i'd offer the suggestion/seek input

From the Cable Box menu, you can also:
1) Set the default signal to 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i -
Both 720p and 1080i seem good to me. Sharp detects which one you use and changes the view mode menu accordingly. For example, the 1080i signal gives you a dot-by-dot menu choice.

2) Set the 4:3 signal (I think they mean Standard Def) to 480i, 480p, stretch, off
Setting this to 480i really improves the SD quality. Even with view mode on the TV set to S. Stretch, the SD quality is good when the cable box 4:3 setting is 480i.
post #1174 of 12251
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Originally Posted by CrysDark View Post

woah woah woah!

Banding gets worse with time? I never read that?

It does not. That poster is merely trolling. If your set is having trouble it will have been there from day one. Whether or not you NOTICE the issue is an entirely different matter. You may only begin to see the trouble months down the road, but in this case it WAS there from day one nevertheless. If anybody gets a panel which exhibits no banding issues then consider it a keeper and don't lose sleep over it.
post #1175 of 12251
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Originally Posted by sfhub View Post

How washed out are they? Is the SA box DVI or HDMI? I know the 971 is DVI.

If DVI (or HDMI using RGB), then it could be a level mismatch for RGB. RGB can be 16-235 of 0-255. If the levels are not matched correct the picture can look washed out.

My older Sharp had a menu setting where I could force the RGB levels.

It was under Menu->Option->HDMISetup->DynamicRange
"Standard" or "Out of Standard"

BTW In general you are supposed to calibrate your equipment for each input for best performance.


thanks for the help, I will play with it tonight to see if i can get the colors to jump.
post #1176 of 12251
Would be grateful for some input. Here is the background, and below is the question.

I originally had a 37d90 and decided to return it and wait for the d62's. 42" is my ideal size, but originally took the 42d62 off my list due to its lesser specs. Was leaning towards the 46d62, but with all the issues, now I'm not so interested, and besides, it is a bit bigger than I really want. Also, I've decided that I really want to limit my spending to around $2K, as the tech is still evolving. Basically, while I really really want to jump in now (rather than wait), I want to stick with a reasonable price point and size that will keep me happy for a couple years, and save the extra grand or so for a future upgrade. ;-)

So, was thinking about going back to the 37d90 (which can be had for under my target amount), then started reading about the JVC 40FN97. The JVC is lauded for its scaler, picture and abundance of inputs, but it does not accept native 1080p inputs. Now it occurs to me that if I'm thinking about the JVC, I really ought to put the 42d62 back on my list, as they are comparable in price.

I know this is the owners forum, but as a longtime contributor to the Sharp forums, I'd like some input. Anyone have thoughts or views on the JVC or the 42d62? The JVC (and its previous incarnation, the 40FH96) seems to be a bit of a dark horse in the LCD world, but with fervent supporters here on the boards.

Thanks,
Goph
post #1177 of 12251
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Originally Posted by gopherblue View Post

Would be grateful for some input. Here is the background, and below is the question.

I originally had a 37d90 and decided to return it and wait for the d62's. 42" is my ideal size, but originally took the 42d62 off my list due to its lesser specs. Was leaning towards the 46d62, but with all the issues, now I'm not so interested, and besides, it is a bit bigger than I really want. Also, I've decided that I really want to limit my spending to around $2K, as the tech is still evolving. Basically, while I really really want to jump in now (rather than wait), I want to stick with a reasonable price point and size that will keep me happy for a couple years, and save the extra grand or so for a future upgrade. ;-)

So, was thinking about going back to the 37d90 (which can be had for under my target amount), then started reading about the JVC 40FN97. The JVC is lauded for its scaler, picture and abundance of inputs, but it does not accept native 1080p inputs. Now it occurs to me that if I'm thinking about the JVC, I really ought to put the 42d62 back on my list, as they are comparable in price.

I know this is the owners forum, but as a longtime contributor to the Sharp forums, I'd like some input. Anyone have thoughts or views on the JVC or the 42d62? The JVC (and its previous incarnation, the 40FH96) seems to be a bit of a dark horse in the LCD world, but with fervent supporters here on the boards.

Thanks,
Goph


Have you considered the Sony 40XBR2?
post #1178 of 12251
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Originally Posted by gopherblue View Post

Anyone have thoughts or views on the JVC or the 42d62? The JVC (and its previous incarnation, the 40FH96) seems to be a bit of a dark horse in the LCD world, but with fervent supporters here on the boards.

The JVC is a great TV. If you can live with no 1080p input and only 1024x768 via VGA, it is definitely worthy of consideration.
post #1179 of 12251
I notice most people have feedback on the 46/52" sets. Whats the word on the 42" so far? Any signs of banding etc?

I bought an LG 42LC2D 3 weeks ago and am thinking about exchanging it for the Sharp 42D62. HD PQ on the LG is semi-decent and SD is not that good. The speakers though are quite good and it does have nice stretch modes. Any feedback on how the Sharp 42" compares on these points? Thanks!
post #1180 of 12251
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Originally Posted by sfhub View Post

How washed out are they? Is the SA box DVI or HDMI? I know the 971 is DVI.

If DVI (or HDMI using RGB), then it could be a level mismatch for RGB. RGB can be 16-235 of 0-255. If the levels are not matched correct the picture can look washed out.

My older Sharp had a menu setting where I could force the RGB levels.

It was under Menu->Option->HDMISetup->DynamicRange
"Standard" or "Out of Standard"

BTW In general you are supposed to calibrate your equipment for each input for best performance.

No go. on the oppo when I changed to Hdmi. in the sharp menu. I do see the hdmi options. however only rgb works. 4:4:4 and the other all made the screen turn green.

as for the cable box 8300 no go. that option on hdmi set up is grayed out. ohh well.
post #1181 of 12251
In theory, I really like the idea of having the 46D62U be my next TV, but I'm now starting to be concerned by the lack of a VGA port...I'm a big Xbox 360 fan, and after the coming dashboard upgrade, the 360 will do 1080p, but only over VGA (and the 1080p output will extend to movies played via the HD-DVD add-on as well as games). VGA-wise, the XBR2 is looking more and more like my best bet. Are there any other 46" 1080p LCDs on the market that have VGA? It seems as if the new Sammys do, but I'm less than pleased with the reports of overscan that I've read in this thread.
post #1182 of 12251
I agree 100%. That comment above yours rubbed me the wrong way...and it wasnt even directed my way.
post #1183 of 12251
I'm a complete noob to posting here, however I have been following this thread religously. I purchased the first LC-42D62U my local Circuit City had (Columbus Indiana). They had not even had a chance to unbox the set, thus I hadn't an opportunity to see the display at the store.

I love the PQ, no banding, seemingly no backlight leakage, although some very noticable washout at viewing angles over 30 degrees.

That said I have a rather serious problem with my set. Neither HDMI inputs recognize any input. I have tried multiple input methods, cables, devices, etc. even checked my methods with a Dell 19" lcd monitor.

I have a case number logged with Sharp, and have received a call from their local authorized service people. The locals told me that Sharp assumes a software (firmware) issue and no directive has been given from Sharp yet on exactly what to do.

If anyone has the LC-42D62U and doesn't have these issues PLEASE let me know as I would love to exchange my set for another and not wait for Sharp Japan to resolve a software? issue.

thanks for listening

mark
post #1184 of 12251
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Originally Posted by mthomson View Post

I'm a complete noob to posting here, however I have been following this thread religously. I purchased the first LC-42D62U my local Circuit City had (Columbus Indiana). They had not even had a chance to unbox the set, thus I hadn't an opportunity to see the display at the store.

I love the PQ, no banding, seemingly no backlight leakage, although some very noticable washout at viewing angles over 30 degrees.

That said I have a rather serious problem with my set. Neither HDMI inputs recognize any input. I have tried multiple input methods, cables, devices, etc. even checked my methods with a Dell 19" lcd monitor.

I have a case number logged with Sharp, and have received a call from their local authorized service people. The locals told me that Sharp assumes a software (firmware) issue and no directive has been given from Sharp yet on exactly what to do.

If anyone has the LC-42D62U and doesn't have these issues PLEASE let me know as I would love to exchange my set for another and not wait for Sharp Japan to resolve a software? issue.

thanks for listening

mark

I use HDMI from my Comcast Motorola Cable box with no problems.
post #1185 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by mthomson View Post

I'm a complete noob to posting here, however I have been following this thread religously. I purchased the first LC-42D62U my local Circuit City had (Columbus Indiana). They had not even had a chance to unbox the set, thus I hadn't an opportunity to see the display at the store.

I love the PQ, no banding, seemingly no backlight leakage, although some very noticable washout at viewing angles over 30 degrees.

That said I have a rather serious problem with my set. Neither HDMI inputs recognize any input. I have tried multiple input methods, cables, devices, etc. even checked my methods with a Dell 19" lcd monitor.

I have a case number logged with Sharp, and have received a call from their local authorized service people. The locals told me that Sharp assumes a software (firmware) issue and no directive has been given from Sharp yet on exactly what to do.

If anyone has the LC-42D62U and doesn't have these issues PLEASE let me know as I would love to exchange my set for another and not wait for Sharp Japan to resolve a software? issue.

thanks for listening

mark

I would exchange the set and not get into the whole service thing.
post #1186 of 12251
Today, 02:35 PM #2208 (Print)
jbm007
Member


Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 130 Sharp update

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They will not offically comment but:

This forum has been watched daily by Sharp.

All the issues we have posted have been reviewed.

The quality controll has been ratched way up.

The second batch of LCDs that were supposed to arrive at 2 nd tier dealers were delayed to correct problems that were detailed here. INCLUDING the red push.

These dealers are supposed to get their shipments starting next week.

The problem will be a shortage of LCDs becuse the rejection factor is in place.

Things like buzz and backgound noise cannot be easily tweaked out of a system.

We will see. I have a 52" Sharp on order. They have agreed to open up the box and check it under controled conditions before they deliver it.

Hopefully Sharp will deliver.

and please don't ask me how I know. Won't really matter if they can't deliver.
post #1187 of 12251
Well...It would be nice if we had serial numbers or such to be able to identify the "new and improved" sets from that which is already in the supply chain.

Not really sure what this means for all of the early adopters....And it appears that jbmoo7 was a 52" owner etc. So...given what Sharp told me - which is they were unaware of any 52" problems...does that mean they didn't "fix" them? Or that they were aware and simply not telling me....?

I asked specifically if I could order one from them and have them ship me a non defective unit...I was told they did not have any there.

Glad there seems to be some response - but quite frankly given the conversation I had with Sharp this morning and their wanting to get my set - not sure what to make of this

Therese
post #1188 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post

Well...It would be nice if we had serial numbers or such to be able to identify the "new and improved" sets from that which is already in the supply chain.

Not really sure what this means for all of the early adopters....And it appears that jbmoo7 was a 52" owner etc. So...given what Sharp told me - which is they were unaware of any 52" problems...does that mean they didn't "fix" them? Or that they were aware and simply not telling me....?

I asked specifically if I could order one from them and have them ship me a non defective unit...I was told they did not have any there.

Glad there seems to be some response - but quite frankly given the conversation I had with Sharp this morning and their wanting to get my set - not sure what to make of this

Therese

Therese, my question is simply..who are the 2nd tier dealers..when will the sets be there so people like yourself can verify that the problems are corrected..also, I wonder, should they not be contacting the purchasers of these early sets directly for input on issue and guarantee them sets that meet their standards for their trouble..there can't be that many out there at this point..the data you and others can provide them is worth at least that
post #1189 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by mthomson View Post

I'm a complete noob to posting here, however I have been following this thread religously. I purchased the first LC-42D62U my local Circuit City had (Columbus Indiana). They had not even had a chance to unbox the set, thus I hadn't an opportunity to see the display at the store.

I love the PQ, no banding, seemingly no backlight leakage, although some very noticable washout at viewing angles over 30 degrees.

That said I have a rather serious problem with my set. Neither HDMI inputs recognize any input. I have tried multiple input methods, cables, devices, etc. even checked my methods with a Dell 19" lcd monitor.

I have a case number logged with Sharp, and have received a call from their local authorized service people. The locals told me that Sharp assumes a software (firmware) issue and no directive has been given from Sharp yet on exactly what to do.

If anyone has the LC-42D62U and doesn't have these issues PLEASE let me know as I would love to exchange my set for another and not wait for Sharp Japan to resolve a software? issue.

thanks for listening

mark

Mark,

I purchased the 42" last week and I am not experiencing the issue you are describing. I hope it gets fixed for you. Also, I have been very pleased with the set as, like you, have no banding issues and the pic lookS GREAT!
post #1190 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick30 View Post

Today, 02:35 PM #2208 (Print)
jbm007
Member


Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 130 Sharp update

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

They will not offically comment but:

This forum has been watched daily by Sharp.

All the issues we have posted have been reviewed.

The quality controll has been ratched way up.

The second batch of LCDs that were supposed to arrive at 2 nd tier dealers were delayed to correct problems that were detailed here. INCLUDING the red push.

These dealers are supposed to get their shipments starting next week.

The problem will be a shortage of LCDs becuse the rejection factor is in place.

Things like buzz and backgound noise cannot be easily tweaked out of a system.

We will see. I have a 52" Sharp on order. They have agreed to open up the box and check it under controled conditions before they deliver it.

Hopefully Sharp will deliver.

and please don't ask me how I know. Won't really matter if they can't deliver.

I sure hope this applies to the sets that have not yet arrived at Canadian dealers - or maybe that's where they send their rejects.
post #1191 of 12251
So whats the deal with the viewing angles on the Sharp 42" ? Since its an LCD should it not give 170 degrees or so without any washouts, distortion etc? Marks comments are the second that I have heard about this issue.

Other 42" owners please comment on the viewing angles...Thanks!
post #1192 of 12251
well good to know sharp is reading these forums.

well read this. I have a 52" with banding and some stuck pixels. I love the set for PQ on SD and HD as well as great pc connect.

now Am I happy to see this ? ofcourse not. if you value me as customer, kindly PM me or post here and please convince me that

1 ) my issues of banding you are aware of it.
2) it has been fixed, - firmware, recall, backlight fairies will come down my chimney and sprinkle fairy magic dust on my set and make it shine like the 4k box its supposed to be

In case you cant tell by my tone, 1 ) i am VERY upset. I did not pay this much cash to get a faulty set.

2) I want to apologize to many of my fellow AVS forums members. because my love of this set as well as countless pictures and ranting on how great of a set this was or is. has caused many of them to take the plunge to buy this now problematic gorgeous glossy piano beauty.

whatever your choice either keep it, return it, stay away from it, or flame me...I undertand...but please again, my apologies to many of you.

Sharp leaves me no choice but to either get a return or simply never buy from them.

To release a 1080p set in this market without High QA is suicide.
post #1193 of 12251
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Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post

Well...It would be nice if we had serial numbers or such to be able to identify the "new and improved" sets from that which is already in the supply chain.
Therese

Better yet replace the TVs of everyone who called and opened a case directly. I sure don't want to go serial number hunting nor I want to call my local CC everyday to see if they have a "good" one arrived. I don't want any more inconveniences. I was planing to exchange it this weekend, but now it seems useless. I will sample again from the first batch and risk picking up another lemon.
post #1194 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post

Well...It would be nice if we had serial numbers or such to be able to identify the "new and improved" sets from that which is already in the supply chain.

Not really sure what this means for all of the early adopters....And it appears that jbmoo7 was a 52" owner etc. So...given what Sharp told me - which is they were unaware of any 52" problems...does that mean they didn't "fix" them? Or that they were aware and simply not telling me....?

I asked specifically if I could order one from them and have them ship me a non defective unit...I was told they did not have any there.

Glad there seems to be some response - but quite frankly given the conversation I had with Sharp this morning and their wanting to get my set - not sure what to make of this

Therese


I'm somewhat familiar with how this works inside a manufacturing company. The product is new, and their support people likely don't know that there is an issue affecting some percentage of these units. As more units are sold, more calls will come in and more sets will be returned to dealers. Support will start to realize there is a pattern and the dealers will scream to Sharp about returns. This will result in Sharp launching an effort to analyze the bad sets, find root cause and develope a plan to eleiminate the problem. It may also cause them to simultaneously review their QC process for the 62u's.

My hope is that because Sharp employees read this forum, that this process is accelerated. If Mike53 can make Sharp aware quicker that customers on AVS (aka early adopters/canaries in the coal mine), are seeing a few common problems on a decent percentage of the first production run, they can move faster to investigate and resolve the issues.

This is my best guess based on my experience working for various technology manufacturing companies.


Edit ******
Sorry, missed the previous about Sharp confirming that they're aware of the issues and are already taking corrective action. If you're trying to get a newer set, your best bet is to place an order with a dealer who has them on back order. It will take a while to get them with the constrained supply, but you'll know why it's taking so long.
post #1195 of 12251
Hi,

It is my first message, but i have read much of the thread.

Can we have more reviews on the 42" ? till now, i did not see much about it, most of the post and banding problem was about the 46" and even the 52". I have order a 42" and waiting for the store to receive it.

Sorry, my inglish is not very good ...

Jean
post #1196 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgoupil View Post

Hi,

It is my first message, but i have read much of the thread.

Can we have more reviews on the 42" ? till now, i did not see much about it, most of the post and banding problem was about the 46" and even the 52". I have order a 42" and waiting for the store to receive it.

Sorry, my inglish is not very good ...

Jean

I haven't heard much about the 42 because not many people are buying it. It was rumored early on to be manufactured by somebody other than Sharp and also that it was lower quality with some issues of its own. However, I have not seen any first hand accounts or proof to back any of that up.
post #1197 of 12251
Today, 05:11 PM #2218 (Print)
jbm007
Member


Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 131 From a very very large retailer. And they are very aware of the problems.
Like I said Sharp has been watching this and several other forums. The are well aware of ALL the issues that came up.
Like anyone else they will never admit they have, or had problems.
All I know was; The comments I received; indicated they were addressing the issues and making sure what was shipped did not have the issues discussed here.

Like I said next week we will see.
Report Post

Guys and gals, I want this set to be as great as you do...I feel for you that have issues..I really do..the delay in my basement refinish is the only reason that I'm not in the same boat as you are..I am hoping as you are, that Sharp has fixed all of the problems..I still want this panel in my home!!
post #1198 of 12251
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Originally Posted by Grimaldi View Post

Good to see the TV is finally coming out in Europe. I am in the UK and have had this puppy on pre-order for almost 2 months now.

Could you have a look to see if it suffers from the banding issue? Also, how loud is the buzzing noise? Do you only notice it when close to the TV or sitting a couple of meters away (6.5 feet) too?

Cheers

Hi!

The buzzing sound is high enough to annoy me and i sit about 9 feet away. I must get this fixed or i will return the tv and try another one. The problem is though that the store i bought in only had one set, the set i bought.

So i have to wait, the store is in contact with Sharp, hope i´ll get an answer in the beginning of next week.
post #1199 of 12251
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Originally Posted by blklacker View Post

Are you using a power conditioner?? I would try to get a high quality power strip maybe that might stop the noise. I have read in this thread and saw others having had that same issue with this TV, its too bad. Well good luck
hej du!

Hej på dig

Maybe i should try another power strip?

Sorry but i dont exactly know what a power conditioner is?


Thanks for the tip anyway!
post #1200 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by maverick30 View Post

Today, 02:35 PM #2208 (Print)
jbm007
Member


Join Date: Nov 2003
Posts: 130 Sharp update

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

They will not offically comment but:

This forum has been watched daily by Sharp.

All the issues we have posted have been reviewed.

The quality controll has been ratched way up.

The second batch of LCDs that were supposed to arrive at 2 nd tier dealers were delayed to correct problems that were detailed here. INCLUDING the red push.

These dealers are supposed to get their shipments starting next week.

The problem will be a shortage of LCDs becuse the rejection factor is in place.

Things like buzz and backgound noise cannot be easily tweaked out of a system.

We will see. I have a 52" Sharp on order. They have agreed to open up the box and check it under controled conditions before they deliver it.

Hopefully Sharp will deliver.

and please don't ask me how I know. Won't really matter if they can't deliver.

This is encouraging, I have been told from a major internet company that Sharp is considering recalling the entire 62 line, assuming this is acurate it would be a respected move by sharp. If I purchase a LC52 it is coming to a 2nd tier store in Nov. I am also hoping these problems are addressed by then or I may go with the 55" fujitsu, I will get it for cost plus $1,000 rebate now being offered by Fujitsu. I have to give up 1080p, but gain 3" of sreen size and a higher electric bill.
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