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post #121 of 12251
I am considering purchasing the 52D62U in the next month or so.

I do have a question regarding how this tv performs in a very bright room. There is a lot of sunshine and glare coming through my windows, and the room is 60% windows. I plan to hang it in a 90 degree corner where 2 window walls meet, so lake is my back drop.

How do you think it will perform? Will it be bright enough?


(I will post an image once I get enough posts :/ )
post #122 of 12251
Unless I have missed an important post, the question as to whether the D62 series can accept a 1080p24 input over HDMI has still not been answered.

Anyone able to test this?

Testing 1080p48 would also be good as some HD sources offer this. I am looking for ways that might reduce jerkiness from 3/2 pulldown conversion. At the end of the day, I guess it really comes down to which is the best Scaler, the one in the source or the one in the TV (and the natural refresh rate of the panel).

Graham.
post #123 of 12251
I talked to Costco buyers regarding to 52" Sharp TV. They are in negotiation to carry on under slightly different model for Costco club purchase. They are hoping to carry towards the middle of November and towards to middle of December, they will be carrying in the stores. I don't know the variation of the the Costco branded sharp and the ones in the stores now.
post #124 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by alins
Is the color on the Sharp's bezel truly piano black (very shiny and glossy, like the Samsungs)?


Quote:
Originally Posted by mclassic View Post

Yes it is.

Do you consider that to be a good thing or a bad thing?

Graham.
post #125 of 12251
Okay, I need to need some guidance here. I've made a couple of posts indicating the poor viewing angle of the 42D62U. Something just occurred to me. When I evaluated this panel at Circuit City last Friday, I had evaluated it from a number of different angles, primarily standing in front of it and looking down. I never got the impression the images were washed out.

Then, my friend who was with me happened to be sitting off-angle, at about 35 degrees and never noted any washed out images. So, I went back to CC today to look at the display model. The store had ESPN HD playing on all of the panels. I stood at all of the angles where I noted washed out images on the same panel I have in my own, e.g. directly in front, standing above, standing, 45" degrees at 6 feet, 9 feet, sitting on the floor, sitting at eye level with the panel at 45 degrees.. Viewing angles were NOT an issue on the demo model.

I even stood at the most extreme of angles, distances and angles at various differences and the image was not washed out. I even referenced it against other panels. There was no significant difference in image quality or accurancy compared to other panels, including the 52". The 52" was darker at different viewing angles. But, I'm sure neither of these panels were correctly calibrated.

I wonder if the washed out images have something to do with my output source. So far, I only have my Pioneer DVR-533H DVD Recorder connected to the panel via component. It outputs to the panel at 480p when playing a DVD.

Could the source be the issue? Does anyone have any recommendations on how to get a real free for viewing angle performance of this panel. I'm having DirecTV HD installed in my home on Wednesday. So, that will be another source to further evaluate the panel.

Any suggestions are very much appreciated.
post #126 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by snaithg View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by alins
Is the color on the Sharp's bezel truly piano black (very shiny and glossy, like the Samsungs)?




Do you consider that to be a good thing or a bad thing?

Graham.

I like it. I think it looks quite elegant. Doesn't look cheap to me at all. I can't picture how another finish would look.
post #127 of 12251
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Originally Posted by xwl View Post

I am considering purchasing the 52D62U in the next month or so.

I do have a question regarding how this tv performs in a very bright room. There is a lot of sunshine and glare coming through my windows, and the room is 60% windows. I plan to hang it in a 90 degree corner where 2 window walls meet, so lake is my back drop.

How do you think it will perform? Will it be bright enough?


(I will post an image once I get enough posts :/ )

It is plenty bright. My 46" 62U is in a room with 14 windows on three walls. The TV is on the one wall with no windows (it is in a porch converted into a family room). Our CRT always had glare problems. I predicted that plasmas would too. My wife's favorite feature of the new 62U: very little glare. And, nothing has come close to washing out the picture yet (it has been really nice here in Pittsburgh lately too!) It is a very bright TV.

-Aaron
post #128 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by mclassic View Post

I like it. I think it looks quite elegant. Doesn't look cheap to me at all. I can't picture how another finish would look.

Well it's matter of personal taste. I don't like the Samsung glossy finish at all; I have nothing else glossy in my entertainment center, and to me the Samsung finish looks cheap. I will have to go and see the Sharp in person I guess ...

Thanks!
post #129 of 12251
Toronto shoppers?

So how many people here are from Toronto and if so, how has the shopping experience been for the D62s so far? My local BB and FS at Laird/Eglinton seem clueless as to when they'll be getting them in....
post #130 of 12251
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Originally Posted by amert20 View Post

I talked to Costco buyers regarding to 52" Sharp TV. They are in negotiation to carry on under slightly different model for Costco club purchase. They are hoping to carry towards the middle of November and towards to middle of December, they will be carrying in the stores. I don't know the variation of the the Costco branded sharp and the ones in the stores now.

Good news indeed. I know my local Costco has a sign on the Sharp 45 "Last One Only" so new models must be on the way.

I believe the differences are more cosmetic than anything.
post #131 of 12251
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Originally Posted by mclassic View Post

Okay, I need to need some guidance here. I've made a couple of posts indicating the poor viewing angle of the 42D62U. Something just occurred to me. When I evaluated this panel at Circuit City last Friday, I had evaluated it from a number of different angles, primarily standing in front of it and looking down. I never got the impression the images were washed out.

Then, my friend who was with me happened to be sitting off-angle, at about 35 degrees and never noted any washed out images. So, I went back to CC today to look at the display model. The store had ESPN HD playing on all of the panels. I stood at all of the angles where I noted washed out images on the same panel I have in my own, e.g. directly in front, standing above, standing, 45" degrees at 6 feet, 9 feet, sitting on the floor, sitting at eye level with the panel at 45 degrees.. Viewing angles were NOT an issue on the demo model.

I even stood at the most extreme of angles, distances and angles at various differences and the image was not washed out. I even referenced it against other panels. There was no significant difference in image quality or accurancy compared to other panels, including the 52". The 52" was darker at different viewing angles. But, I'm sure neither of these panels were correctly calibrated.

I wonder if the washed out images have something to do with my output source. So far, I only have my Pioneer DVR-533H DVD Recorder connected to the panel via component. It outputs to the panel at 480p when playing a DVD.

Could the source be the issue? Does anyone have any recommendations on how to get a real free for viewing angle performance of this panel. I'm having DirecTV HD installed in my home on Wednesday. So, that will be another source to further evaluate the panel.

Any suggestions are very much appreciated.

Over in the UK we had a lot of problems with viewing angles on the Toshiba 42" and 47" panels. However it became apparent that not everyone had the same problems, many people stated that their off angle viewing was very good. The main conclusion which was drawn from this was that clearly some panels were much better than others. It may even be that they were from different manufacturers.

This could be the situation with the Sharp 42" panels. different manufacturer, different quality control.

If I was being really cynical I might suggest that Sharp made sure that the early 42" sets going for instore demo, had better panels fitted

Graham.
post #132 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by mclassic View Post

Okay, I need to need some guidance here. I've made a couple of posts indicating the poor viewing angle of the 42D62U. Something just occurred to me. When I evaluated this panel at Circuit City last Friday, I had evaluated it from a number of different angles, primarily standing in front of it and looking down. I never got the impression the images were washed out.

Then, my friend who was with me happened to be sitting off-angle, at about 35 degrees and never noted any washed out images. So, I went back to CC today to look at the display model. The store had ESPN HD playing on all of the panels. I stood at all of the angles where I noted washed out images on the same panel I have in my own, e.g. directly in front, standing above, standing, 45" degrees at 6 feet, 9 feet, sitting on the floor, sitting at eye level with the panel at 45 degrees.. Viewing angles were NOT an issue on the demo model.

I even stood at the most extreme of angles, distances and angles at various differences and the image was not washed out. I even referenced it against other panels. There was no significant difference in image quality or accurancy compared to other panels, including the 52". The 52" was darker at different viewing angles. But, I'm sure neither of these panels were correctly calibrated.

I wonder if the washed out images have something to do with my output source. So far, I only have my Pioneer DVR-533H DVD Recorder connected to the panel via component. It outputs to the panel at 480p when playing a DVD.

Could the source be the issue? Does anyone have any recommendations on how to get a real free for viewing angle performance of this panel. I'm having DirecTV HD installed in my home on Wednesday. So, that will be another source to further evaluate the panel.

Any suggestions are very much appreciated.



you could hook it up to your pc and download some windows media player 1080p demo's.

you would need a dvi to hdmi cable.
post #133 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by xwl View Post

I am considering purchasing the 52D62U in the next month or so.

I do have a question regarding how this tv performs in a very bright room. There is a lot of sunshine and glare coming through my windows, and the room is 60% windows. I plan to hang it in a 90 degree corner where 2 window walls meet, so lake is my back drop.

How do you think it will perform? Will it be bright enough?


(I will post an image once I get enough posts :/ )

Mine has a wall of windows/french doors behind it. Aproximately 25' of window space. The windows are on the east and in the AM - it is very bright. This is lower than grade (walkout basement) and so there is no direct sunlight - however there are no window coverings either.

There is a slight "sheen" on the Sharp panel. More so than I have seen on other LCD sets. As such during the day and in the conditions I described above - there is a very faint diffused glare that is seen when the panel is off. With a picture on - (Set on - showing anything) the glare disappears. We also have and will for a few more days a Plasma next to this. The glare(on the plasma) is substantially more so than on the LCD. Orders of magnitude more.

The set is very bright with the backlight up and no one that has viewed this in my house feels the sunlight causes any issues. This was one of the major reasons we went with an LCD for this room and glare or brightness to date have not been an issue for my family.

Therese
post #134 of 12251
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Originally Posted by Imho4ep View Post

you could hook it up to your pc and download some windows media player 1080p demo's.

you would need a dvi to hdmi cable.

Will do. I'll report back hopefully by the weekend.
post #135 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by snaithg View Post

Unless I have missed an important post, the question as to whether the D62 series can accept a 1080p24 input over HDMI has still not been answered.

Anyone able to test this?

Testing 1080p48 would also be good as some HD sources offer this. I am looking for ways that might reduce jerkiness from 3/2 pulldown conversion. At the end of the day, I guess it really comes down to which is the best Scaler, the one in the source or the one in the TV (and the natural refresh rate of the panel).

Graham.

graham,
Welcome and I enjoy reading the UK forum as well

We tried this on Saturday and the "experts" - as in not me! - my sons and friend were not able to get this to work. They were not sure if it had to do with the software they were using on their pc's and so this week my son's friend and his dad were/are bringing over their HTPC which he uses for his HT PJ setup to test again. Since they have all the appropriate software etc on this PC and use it for their own setup - he felt rather than trying to muck with it more - would just be easier. I am anticipating Weds/Thurs eve - schedules permitting.

Hope to report more then.

Therese
post #136 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by mclassic View Post

I like it. I think it looks quite elegant. Doesn't look cheap to me at all. I can't picture how another finish would look.

Thanks "mclassic", I did have my reservations, but enough people are starting to say that it is a good finish. Just hope to see the UK versions of these models real soon now, I wish the UK launch wasn't delayed.

Graham.
post #137 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by snaithg View Post

Over in the UK we had a lot of problems with viewing angles on the Toshiba 42" and 47" panels. However it became apparent that not everyone had the same problems, many people stated that their off angle viewing was very good. The main conclusion which was drawn from this was that clearly some panels were much better than others. It may even be that they were from different manufacturers.

This could be the situation with the Sharp 42" panels. different manufacturer, different quality control.

If I was being really cynical I might suggest that Sharp made sure that the early 42" sets going for instore demo, had better panels fitted

Graham.

I really hope that this is not the case with these panels. I'll keep evaluating it before making a final conclusion. I may step up to the 46" if I can't resolve this issue with my panel.
post #138 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by snaithg View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by alins
Is the color on the Sharp's bezel truly piano black (very shiny and glossy, like the Samsungs)?




Do you consider that to be a good thing or a bad thing?

Graham.

It is truly Piano Black and very reflective. We have not found it to be distracting even with a wall of windows behind it or with lights on in the evening. It does reflect everything though. I think it has to do with the proportion of the bezel to the actual screen real estate. On the 52" - there is so much "screen" that the bezel really becomes unnoticeable.

We like the bezel and find it to be a good thing

Therese
post #139 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post

graham,
Welcome and I enjoy reading the UK forum as well

We tried this on Saturday and the "experts" - as in not me! - my sons and friend were not able to get this to work. They were not sure if it had to do with the software they were using on their pc's and so this week my son's friend and his dad were/are bringing over their HTPC which he uses for his HT PJ setup to test again. Since they have all the appropriate software etc on this PC and use it for their own setup - he felt rather than trying to muck with it more - would just be easier. I am anticipating Weds/Thurs eve - schedules permitting.

Hope to report more then.

Therese

Great!!!, thanks again Therese, your efforts are greatly appreciated our side of the pond.

PS: I only wish we had more useful information to convey through our UK forum. Roll on our first deliveries.

Graham.
post #140 of 12251
Therese

Thanks for all your input. I trust your opinion becuase of the extensive testing you have done with the latest 1080p LCDs.

While I love a sharp image I prefer a film like image that is very clear and crisp to an image that is sharp but not "fluid". Based on your prior posts I get the feeling the Sharp is producing this kind of image. Am I correct here?

After viewing the TV for a few days are you still happy with the contrast and black levels of the set. Sometimes initial impressions change as different content is viewed. Would you say the contrast black levels are the best you have seen on your LCD testing adventure?
post #141 of 12251
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Originally Posted by NineHaven View Post

Hi all,

Im looking to get a LCD 46" or bigger to be connected to a HTPC. I was ready to get a Westy 47" but they are simply not available right now. So now Im interested in the 52" and 46" sharps. ( It would be nice to have the darker blacks.)

80% of the LCD usage will be for pc usage (desktop and gaming).
The other 20% will be for movies.
No TV usage.

So my questions are

Is the Softness on the 52 that Therese mentioned a not so good thing for Desktop pc usage? It sounds good for tv or movies but what about for reading text all day.? Is small text crisp when close to the screen?

Basically Im trying to figure out is the Sharp 52 at least as good as the Westy 47 for strictly pc usage?

Ill be sitting 5 feet away from the panel.

Thanks

9

Ninehaven, We have the Westy 42" - for the boys room and it is used as PC monitor/gaming monitor. No TV - has no tuners nor do they

I have not spent any extensive time with the Westy 47" - so not sure how these two compare. But I find the text from say a word document or other to be crisper and cleaner on the 42" Westy than on the Sharp 52". As timothias stated it is very, very good and I also find it perfectly enjoyable and acceptable output from 5-8 ft back for general PC use. (Movies, slideshows etc are stellar). But trying to use the 52" screen close up (as in 3-5 ft) is not as clear and razor sharp as the Westy. IMHO - for doing real text level work...YMMV

Therese
post #142 of 12251
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Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post

It is truly Piano Black and very reflective. We have not found it to be distracting even with a wall of windows behind it or with lights on in the evening. It does reflect everything though. I think it has to do with the proportion of the bezel to the actual screen real estate. On the 52" - there is so much "screen" that the bezel really becomes unnoticeable.

We like the bezel and find it to be a good thing

Therese

Thanks again Therese.

Graham.
post #143 of 12251
Hi Therese,

I know you hooked up yuor 52" to an Apple, but have you tried connecting it to a Windows PC? I am curious as to how the D62U handles text in general. XBR2/3s have had some minor issues with some text in light backgrounds. Thanks!
post #144 of 12251
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Originally Posted by wpwj40e View Post

Not yet Aaron - which mode are you using these settings in? Is this for HDMI and auto? Mine are all over the map depending upon mode/source/input and auto. Have not settled on any one yet. Your color looks kinda low - when I turn mine down in standard - i lose greens....also I found that the black on looks great for some material and crushes blacks with others. Seems if there is a dark movie like COR or LOTR with alot of detail - this setting actually looks quite good with the backlight all the way down. With 480i material - blacks get crushed all too H**ll...Have hours of playing before I feel I may have a "postable" set of settings..

Therese

I started in "Dynamic". What are the differences between the modes? I thought they only represented different presets for the sliders below. Is there more to them? Also, these are for a component source (HDMI cables will be here in a few days.)

The color setting is how I got rid of what I'm guessing eveybody has been calling red push. In my case it desaturated a lot of the colors to a level that looked more realistic (and I tend to like overly-saturated colors

I usually don't like having to mess with picture settings based on the source material so I'm looking for one good general-purpose configuration. I'll play with Avia once I get my XBox hooked up via component tonight.

One other thing. Have you noticed a buzz at all from the set when you are in any mode other than Dynamic(auto) (or whatever that one mode is called - I'm at work and don't remember what it is called)?

-Aaron
post #145 of 12251
The sharp bezel is convex though, so it seems to reflect somewhat differently. I.e., more. But not bad at all considering the ridiculous amount of light in the store. I saw it in a Circuit City today. There are two 46D62U's in town. One they put on display for me, and the other one is being delivered to my home this evening. It took quite some time to negotiate a good price.

Now I have to wait for Monoprice to ship me the DVI/HDMI cable I ordered yesterday.
post #146 of 12251
Oh, but I guess this does give me the opportunity to test 1080P over component
post #147 of 12251
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Originally Posted by Bicster View Post

Oh, but I guess this does give me the opportunity to test 1080P over component

Congrats Bicster! Anxious to hear your impressions. Which size did you get? And how are you testing 1080p over component?

Glad to see more owners coming in. Really want to compare settings and all! The more the merrier

Therese
post #148 of 12251
Sheesh. People are already bringing it home and tweaking the settings...and by the looks of things, they won't even be in my AREA for another 2 or 3 weeks.

Thanks to all who have given feedback on it so far, looking to probably get the 46"...if it ever shows up here (Detroit area).
post #149 of 12251
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1106786

In case anyone is interested, pics aren't that great but some good htpc shots with bright lit room.
post #150 of 12251
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Originally Posted by TV Casualty View Post

Sheesh. People are already bringing it home and tweaking the settings...and by the looks of things, they won't even be in my AREA for another 2 or 3 weeks.

Thanks to all who have given feedback on it so far, looking to probably get the 46"...if it ever shows up here (Detroit area).

I can personally attest to the fact that the Brighton and Ann Arbor stores have the 46" on display. Ann Arbor also has the 52" on display and at least one in stock (I could see the box in the back room). IMO, the 52" looks much bigger than the 46".
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