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post #391 of 12255
On this banding problem...Unplug everything and begin from beginning. Just use one source such as DVD player. Have nothing else to near the tv. Use a dedicated 120 ac line into the wall. Check all plugs, etc. If you get the banding with the DVD player..again, unplug everything..start from scatch again..go with..let us say..OTA antenna.. After trying 2 or 3 different sources (and the banding still exists)_, I would say you may have a problem at the tv itself. Just be sure you have a clean source of power (current) going into the tv. It could still be something within the house..at times not to easy to discover.
post #392 of 12255
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Originally Posted by akgrown View Post

This is a pic of the banding seen during the "20th Century Fox" opening on one of my DVDs...the camera is swooping over the top of the '2' in '20th'. I figured this would be a good scene since most people will own a 20th Century Fox DVD and can try it for themselves. As you can see, the two main horizontal bands (marked with red arrows) split the screen about into thirds. There are other minor, hardly noticeable bands if you look closely.

This is independent of source for me. It is visible on DVD, Comcast HD STB, and PS2, all connected via component. I am also using a surge protector for the power cable. The bands are static and do not change position, so I don't feel this is something caused by OTA interference... Any suggestions (including 'exchange it!') are welcome.

Looks like backlight banding to me. How high do you have your backlight set? The whole pic looks extremely washed out. Most LCD will show some uneveness, but with proper calibration/settings it's usually very minimal on the better sets.


ron
post #393 of 12255
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Originally Posted by akgrown View Post

This is a pic of the banding seen during the "20th Century Fox" opening on one of my DVDs...the camera is swooping over the top of the '2' in '20th'. I figured this would be a good scene since most people will own a 20th Century Fox DVD and can try it for themselves. As you can see, the two main horizontal bands (marked with red arrows) split the screen about into thirds. There are other minor, hardly noticeable bands if you look closely.

This is independent of source for me. It is visible on DVD, Comcast HD STB, and PS2, all connected via component. I am also using a surge protector for the power cable. The bands are static and do not change position, so I don't feel this is something caused by OTA interference... Any suggestions (including 'exchange it!') are welcome.


well I never seen horizontal banding, but there is always a first.

First thing try the advice of the previous posts, if it doesn't go away just exchange it because that is NOT normal.

I had a TON of banding just like that (Only vertical) on a Vizio 32" & returned it as soon as I could.
post #394 of 12255
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Originally Posted by richard korsgren View Post

To debate which is the 'best' is foolish because there is no best.

Ridiculous!


ron
post #395 of 12255
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Originally Posted by Bicster View Post

It's an old one, 659 I think.


Can you tell me if there are any digital audio inputs on the 46D62 ? Are they optical or coax or both ? How many of each ?

Thanks
post #396 of 12255
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Originally Posted by mark_1080p View Post

I've run across this problem before, its a deal breaker for me. Hope this is not typical of the new line. I would expect to use the set at minimum backlight, I would think you need to exchange it.

Anybody do a power use test on the 52 with a killawatt or other meter for various backlight tests ? Most curious on power consumption.


We're two peas in a pod. I find this news very disappointing. Also curious about the Kill-a-watt readings. Didn't request because after viewing the great looking photos from the NYC event, I saw the screens were incredibly bright. Figured proper calibration for normal conditions and good blacks would have the backlight be really low and reduce the wattage consumption incredibly. Why I find the 1st part so disappointing.
post #397 of 12255
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Originally Posted by sathyganesh View Post

Can you tell me if there are any digital audio inputs on the 46D62 ? Are they optical or coax or both ? How many of each ?

Thanks

Please, can anyone who knows tell me if there are digital audio inputs on the 46D62? If so, what kind and how many.

Thanks
post #398 of 12255
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Originally Posted by R11 View Post

Ridiculous!


ron

..and, of course, you are entitled to your opinion, my friend. All we can do is look at pro and cons of all the sets. Anything beyond that is opinion. We all have our favorites in tvs and many other things in life. It is a personal conclusion we come to. And many considerations are built into any final determinations. Today, there are many fine sets in any price range. And the consumer is certainly the winner.
post #399 of 12255
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Originally Posted by richard korsgren View Post

..and, of course, you are entitled to your opinion, my friend. All we can do is look at pro and cons of all the sets. Anything beyond that is opinion. We all have our favorites in tvs and many other things in life. It is a personal conclusion we come to. And many considerations are built into any final determinations. Today, there are many fine sets in any price range. And the consumer is certainly the winner.

I don't mean to sound ghetto because I'm not, but I have no other way of expressing how much I agree with you besides saying

I feel you on that, homie.
post #400 of 12255
I'll be picking up my 46 shortly. Could someone please point me in the direction of calibration info for this set? Or, if there isn't really any info out there yet, by all means please post what settings you use and if you did anything in the service menu. Thanks.
post #401 of 12255
Does anyone know, in reference to BB's 30-day return policy, is it possible to exchange my TV for a totally different set (different brand) without getting the restocking fee, if there is even one?

Thank you. I am suddenly pondering .....
post #402 of 12255
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Originally Posted by akgrown View Post

This is a pic of the banding seen during the "20th Century Fox" opening on one of my DVDs...the camera is swooping over the top of the '2' in '20th'. I figured this would be a good scene since most people will own a 20th Century Fox DVD and can try it for themselves. As you can see, the two main horizontal bands (marked with red arrows) split the screen about into thirds. There are other minor, hardly noticeable bands if you look closely.

This is independent of source for me. It is visible on DVD, Comcast HD STB, and PS2, all connected via component. I am also using a surge protector for the power cable. The bands are static and do not change position, so I don't feel this is something caused by OTA interference... Any suggestions (including 'exchange it!') are welcome.


Yes, that is what I see when I play dark areas with my video games.
post #403 of 12255
timothias you should be fine to return your set for whatever you want if disatisfied.
post #404 of 12255
oh boy. it just arrived. boxed up sitting next to its new partner in crime, the pioneer elite vsx-82txs.

im moving this weekend so i *really* dont want to unpack it just to box it up again....

getting the shakes looking at it in the box........
post #405 of 12255
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Originally Posted by Cyber Chulo View Post

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Originally Posted by akgrown View Post

This is a pic of the banding seen during the "20th Century Fox" opening on one of my DVDs...the camera is swooping over the top of the '2' in '20th'. I figured this would be a good scene since most people will own a 20th Century Fox DVD and can try it for themselves. As you can see, the two main horizontal bands (marked with red arrows) split the screen about into thirds. There are other minor, hardly noticeable bands if you look closely.

This is independent of source for me. It is visible on DVD, Comcast HD STB, and PS2, all connected via component. I am also using a surge protector for the power cable. The bands are static and do not change position, so I don't feel this is something caused by OTA interference... Any suggestions (including 'exchange it!') are welcome.

Yes, that is what I see when I play dark areas with my video games.

Can any 46/52 D62u owners say definitively that they do *not* see this horizontal banding I photographed? I'm wondering how prevalent this problem is...
post #406 of 12255
I am taking delivery of the 46" D62 in about an hour and a half from Best Buy. Are there any delivery checklists or other items I should pay attention to before letting the delivery guy leave? What should I inspect before accepting?

I know Best Buy's return policy but want to minimize any problems.

Thanks!

- Scott

P.S. I apologize for posting this in both the general D62 forum and the Owner's Forum, but given the time crunch, I need to maximize the exposure. Mods, be nice.
post #407 of 12255
Wow, this thread is getting hard to keep up with.

I see a lot of people concerned about the "banding" I previously posted about on my 52". Maybe "banding" was a poor choice of words. Anyway, the artifact is definitely there on all inputs. I am about 99.9% sure it is an actual problem with the panel we have. At my earliest convenience I will be returning the panel to BB and see if we can replicate the problem and then replace it with a unit that does not exhibit this problem. I am certain the display model at BB does NOT have this problem.

If you look at the image I posted in post #192 you can see what I'm talking about. That picture shows the panel displaying pure gray from Dead Pixel Buddy. The input is DVI-HDMI from my laptop. All of the variations in gray you can see are actually there in real life. The vertical bands are a bit exaggerated from real life and not noticable during normal viewing. My guess is this is something to do with the backlights. However, the horizontal "streaking" IS noticable on light even colors-- especially during a vertical pan. A pan on light blue sky or white snow is particularly annoying.

I also want everyone to understand that, besides the gray horizontal bands, I am VERY pleased with this panel. If I had to live with the barely noticable "bands" I could. I just feel that for $4k I should be 100% pleased, not 99%.

To answer the question omeone asked about OTA HD on the cable input: Yes OTA works and the Tigers-A's game last night was a real treat. The colors, black levels, and lack of motion blur were great. Maybe I was giddy because I'm a big Tigers fan
post #408 of 12255
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Originally Posted by G-Whiz View Post

Wow, this thread is getting hard to keep up with.

I see a lot of people concerned about the "banding" I previously posted about on my 52". Maybe "banding" was a poor choice of words. Anyway, the artifact is definitely there on all inputs. I am about 99.9% sure it is an actual problem with the panel we have. At my earliest convenience I will be returning the panel to BB and see if we can replicate the problem and then replace it with a unit that does not exhibit this problem. I am certain the display model at BB does NOT have this problem.

If you look at the image I posted in post #192 you can see what I'm talking about. That picture shows the panel displaying pure gray from Dead Pixel Buddy. The input is DVI-HDMI from my laptop. All of the variations in gray you can see are actually there in real life. The vertical bands are a bit exaggerated from real life and not noticable during normal viewing. My guess is this is something to do with the backlights. However, the horizontal "streaking" IS noticable on light even colors-- especially during a vertical pan. A pan on light blue sky or white snow is particularly annoying.

I also want everyone to understand that, besides the gray horizontal bands, I am VERY pleased with this panel. If I had to live with the barely noticable "bands" I could. I just feel that for $4k I should be 100% pleased, not 99%.

To answer the question omeone asked about OTA HD on the cable input: Yes OTA works and the Tigers-A's game last night was a real treat. The colors, black levels, and lack of motion blur were great. Maybe I was giddy because I'm a big Tigers fan

F***in' Tigers. Yankees baby! Next year... I guess.

Anyways, perhaps you are right G-Whiz. But I will be experiment later on today to see if the gray lines disappear.

Yankees!!!!!!
post #409 of 12255
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Originally Posted by G-Whiz View Post


To answer the question omeone asked about OTA HD on the cable input: Yes OTA works and the Tigers-A's game last night was a real treat. The colors, black levels, and lack of motion blur were great. Maybe I was giddy because I'm a big Tigers fan

I assume the answer to this is "no," but did you have Fine Motion turned on?
post #410 of 12255
For all thoes testing PC from dvi over hdmi try these test images i created.

the first one is a resolution/interpolation/banding/overscan/screen edge tester.
when correctly displayed it should be set 'center' as your desktop background. move the task bar out of the way and you should view a single pixel width boarder line all around your tv. this boarder is the exact 1920x1080 edge. the background should look grey without any waving fading or other aspects. if it is, you are not set 1:1 pixel mapping.

the other files are for testing, use them how you see fit.

Post some pics! particularly of the bottom right corner (1920x1080) of the interpolation tester.

-mijitiro

 

interpolation.zip 14.8154296875k . file
post #411 of 12255
post #412 of 12255
I took my 42 back to CC today. Kind of breaks my heart to have no TV sitting in my living room. But, I just couldn't live with the washed out picture when viewing the TV at different angles.

I studied the 52" really hard while at CC. It appears that the image washes out some. It doesn't appear to be nearly as dramatic as the 42".

After careful evaluation, I have to say that the colors on Samsung and Sony panels look much more vibrant and consistent when viewing at angles. The only problem for me is that the Samsungs overscans and the Sonys are overpriced.

I really like the Sharp panels. But, I'm still not settled on the idea that the picture does not wash out on these panels when viewing at angles. I'd like to get LOTS of feedback on this one as I'm trying to decide whether to go with a 46", or hold off altogether.
post #413 of 12255
Does anybody know if these LCD's can accept a PAL signal ???
post #414 of 12255
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Originally Posted by akgrown View Post

This is a pic of the banding seen during the "20th Century Fox" opening on one of my DVDs...the camera is swooping over the top of the '2' in '20th'. I figured this would be a good scene since most people will own a 20th Century Fox DVD and can try it for themselves. As you can see, the two main horizontal bands (marked with red arrows) split the screen about into thirds. There are other minor, hardly noticeable bands if you look closely.

This is independent of source for me. It is visible on DVD, Comcast HD STB, and PS2, all connected via component. I am also using a surge protector for the power cable. The bands are static and do not change position, so I don't feel this is something caused by OTA interference... Any suggestions (including 'exchange it!') are welcome.


Akgrown-

I would adjust your backlight level down and see if that helps at all. Some of us on the 37d90u thread have backlight in the -10 to -12 range and brightness levels around -8. I know it is a different panel but the consensus is that the backlight needs to come way down on the 1080p Sharp panels.

Otherwise return it, I purchased the 37d90u panel in its initial release and had a bad vertical column of pixels, backlight bleed, and less than acceptable off axis viewing angle- returned it and got a set from a latter manufacturing batch and had no issues. There are others that had units with backlight bleed and problematic viewing angles, but it seemed to be more prevalent in the initial shipment of displays. My second unit has been spectacular, so maybe keep it for a couple of more weeks and see how it goes and then return it and re-order in your 30 day window.

One of the advantages of buying from a local B&M.
post #415 of 12255
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Originally Posted by kevink109 View Post

Akgrown-

I would adjust your backlight level down and see if that helps at all. Some of us on the 37d90u thread have backlight in the -10 to -12 range and brightness levels around -8. I know it is a different panel but the consensus is that the backlight needs to come way down on the 1080p Sharp panels.

Otherwise return it, I purchased the 37d90u panel in its initial release and had a bad vertical column of pixels, backlight bleed, and less than acceptable off axis viewing angle- returned it and got a set from a latter manufacturing batch and had no issues. There are others that had units with backlight bleed and problematic viewing angles, but it seemed to be more prevalent in the initial shipment of displays. My second unit has been spectacular, so maybe keep it for a couple of more weeks and see how it goes and then return it and re-order in your 30 day window.

One of the advantages of buying from a local B&M.

Thanks for the advice...well stated. I will play around with the backlight tonight when I get home and see if that helps. I feel like I've tried to adjust it before though and the effect remains, but it's worth another shot.

I've also sent an email to Sharp product support just to see if someone there will look at the picture I took and offer some guidance as to whether it is a shortcoming of the device or a one-off defect. I will post more info if I receive any...
post #416 of 12255
What Scaler do the 62 series use?
post #417 of 12255
Akgrow-

I'm sure if you check out other units on display at retailers and pics from other owners you will be able to determine if it is a common problem or unit specific.

I would return and order from the next batch- and if that still doesn't work then just be done.
post #418 of 12255
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Originally Posted by kevink109 View Post

Akgrow-

I'm sure if you check out other units on display at retailers and pics from other owners you will be able to determine if it is a common problem or unit specific.

I would return and order from the next batch- and if that still doesn't work then just be done.

Right, but the problem is that I've yet to find a local retailer that has them on display so I can do a comparison. I picked mine up at the BB warehouse near Seattle, and the only BB that has them in stock is in Lynwood but they don't have any display models. I will definitely be checking them out in person once I find a store near Seattle with floor models.
post #419 of 12255
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Originally Posted by orig View Post

Does anybody know if these LCD's can accept a PAL signal ???

yes it does. there is a setting for pal
post #420 of 12255
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Originally Posted by Cyber Chulo View Post

Yes, that is what I see when I play dark areas with my video games.

The same banding pattern? Hmm...
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