Official Sharp Aquos 42D62U/46D62U/52D62U Owner's Thread (NO PRICE TALK!) - Page 3

thanks for the feedback mclassic.

it sounds like the 42" doesnt perform as well as its bigger brothers in this regard. that is really bad new as viewing angle is quite important to me due to the lay out of the livingroom.

I believe they are using Chei Mei for the 42" and perhaps it does not have the 3M Vikuiti treatment which could cause some off angle or a hazier PQ.

1200:1 vs 2000:1 CR --- The 42" has no Dynamic Rating while 46/52" have 10K:1

Multi-pixel tech is not listed on the 42" either.

46/52" also has

Enhanced Black Level --- provides the deepest, most accurate black of any LC-TV. The 42" lacks the "Black TFT" designation.

Four-wavelength Backlight System --- enables the display of very deep crimson reds, widening the available color spectrum.

It's now easy to see why reports of 42" panel simply won't be up to snuff apparently and seems foolish to place it in the class of the other two by Sharp.

aww, c'mon! 42 inches is a great size and the price (assuming a few discounts from MSRP) is perfect. (Yes, of course I'd like the 46, but the price just isn't compelling -- $600+ in not a drop in the bucket ).

Is no one going to defend the 42 inchers honor? I just get too dang excited about these things, that's for sure

HAHAH...No there is nothing specific to look at between the almost identical PICS of Kameo. I liked the colors Thats the big difference

And where in gods name would I get something that outputs 1080p over component? Sure I'll test it if you can find me a source My Lumagen isn't even ordered yet and I do not know if that will even do it.

And I won't even get into how absurd that is....Yea...I know XBOX...Not going there!

Find me a source and I'll test.

Therese

Does this set show any motion blur at all in fast moving sequences?

~Josh

HELP ME GUYS PLEASE!!!!!

Ok, I can barely afford the 42" I was settled on the lc37d90u. The smaller 1080P set that gets rave reviews. Now I was thinking of the new 42" but, you guys seem to think it is not that good compared to the 46" or the 52"
so for me whatcha think? 37" or 42" Either will work in the room I am using it in.

I appreciate your honest opinions. And yes, I know that the 37" has come down in price lately that is why I am asking. Thanks guys

Nathan,

I haven't seen the 42" but I'm sure it's fine for the price point. Based on internet pricing I see a $700 delta between the 42" and the 46" 62u's. I think one significant reason for lack of excitement about the 42" is that it's not as sexy technology as available in the 46/52 models, and the suspicion that the 42" is sourced from Chi Mei in Taiwan. Westa seems confident that this is the case.

Now if your price point is set at the level of the 42d62u, and you can live with some of the weaknesses of the Chi Mei glass (a little slower response, a little more limited CR, not quite as tolerant of wide viewing angles), why not buy the Westinghouse (U.S. brand name for Chi Mei) LVM-47w1? On line, it's slightly cheaper than the Sharp 42" and if you feed it a high grade signal from a PC/HD-DVD/BR I'm sure it will rock. The biggest weakness will likely be viewing lower grade signals. Based on other folks feedback on these forums, it seems that Sharp has better electronics for handling the lower grade signals than Westinghouse. I don't know for sure though because I haven't been able to get a look at either set as of yet.

Yeah, I have to agree with you. While I like this TV, it will have to go back. The off-angles are very poor. I know that I didn't see this type of performance with the Samsung. I just wish there was some resolution to the overscan issue.

What are 46 and 52" owners saying about the viewing angles?

You guys honestly don't see the red push in this shot?

Diesel's flesh tones are just not natural-looking at all.

I'm sure 800x532 photos don't do justice to the TV.

Time to shop for a 2 megapixel camera Therese!

Good job on everything you've done up to now! I'm almost sold on buying a Sharp.

coasterguy >>>> You mean the Sharp model # LC37D90U, correct ? That is the only Sharp 37" model that is 1920x1080p native.....
Insofar as the two choices between the LC37D90U and the LC42D62U, keep in mind that the recommended distance for watching a 37" HDTV with a resolution of 1080p is approximately 55" or 4 1/2 feet away from screen (although the review of the Sharp 37" that was published by CNet recommended a distance of no more than 45" away from screen to be able to fully resolve all the detail), whereas the recommended distance for a 42" HDTV with the same native resolution is about 66" or 5 1/2 feet away from screen....
The LC37D90U is currently being sold by several online vendors for what could be described as a "bargain", considering its size, native resolution and specs, while the LC42D62U just started being sold, uses a panel that is not manufactured by Sharp at Kameyama 1/2 and does not have the fourth "crimson" backlight for added boost to the red/magenta color spectrum.
If you really think about it, the viewing difference between a 37" and a 42" panel is slight, adding just 2.5 extra inches of viewing area all around a 37" screen....
I guess in your case it comes down to how much you can afford to spend right now (does paying an extra $350/$400 for the larger 42" panel makes sense ?) and how far away from the screen is your seating location; If I were you, and if space is not a factor, i would also consider saving some more money and waiting a couple months until the prices on the LC46D62U really come down right before the Holiday sale season starts in earnest, and the Kameyama 2 factory really/really starts cranking out these larger-sized panels by the tens of thousands and shipping them to US retailers.
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Regards >>>> Marcos

He's in the prison cavern with red lighting. OF COURSE HIS FACE WILL BE REFLECTING RED! Watch the movie.

Yoda,

If you have access to a remote try the following.

OPC: off
backlight: -10
contrast: +35
brightness: 0
color: 0
tint: 0
sharpness: 0

Let us know if you still see any red push, it's been a long time since I've seen Riddick, so I don't recall what this seen should look like.

Heh, I was also going to suggest to Yoda to adjust his settings since several others seem to have successfully eliminated the red push... but then I realized the Riddick scene he posted is one of the pics Therese took of her set, and that set is already adjusted.

My guess is the red we see in that scene is supposed to be there, as part of the lighting of the scene. I hope so at least.

So is it really red push, or is it because of the crimson boost from the tech Sharp uses?

Though I've seen this movie many times I don't recall ever seeing flesh tones have this tint, however pay careful attention the surrounding frame and bezel of the TV which is not part of the Picture on the glass - it carries with it a pink tint or call it red push and it is not part of the display itself. Pink or "red" in surroundings of that picture tells you the tint is from the camera providing it not the panel presenting it.

READ THE WORD SHARP ON THE TV IN THAT PIC AND IT HAS THE SAME PINK TONE AND IT ISN'T PART OF THE MOVIE IS IT AS IT RESIDES ON THE FRAME OF THE TV NOT THE GLASS.

I'm not saying red push out of the box is not there - I am giving testimony as an owner of the previous generation that once I informally calibrated my panel I have never had red push or pink - nothing but perfect flesh tones regardless of race of the person viewed and I've also owned an SXRD 60 and a Panny 500U PDP and the flesh tones on my Sharp are superior to both those sets in my home.

If I couldn't remove an imperfection out of the box setting it would go back to the store or be sold at a loss to get it out of my house.

Same movie on the Westinghouse 42" 1080p LCD

Two reports of viewing angle washout on the 42d62u. I wonder if this is a result of the outsourced panel used in this model and if the 46/52 don't have this issue (from what I've read so far) due to the KII panels.

edit: make that four reports (noticed as I continued to read the thread)

Then every TV in my house must be broke as well as the Sony XBR, The Qualia my neighbor has etc. While the pic is not great - watch the darn movie. That scene has red light etc in it.

Also - if you are going to post a pic of COR to compare - use the same scene.

And yes - part of it is my camera skills or lack there of - but the scene itself and the monster thingie whatever clealry have a red tinge to them due to the lighting within the film.

Done posting pics.

Sorry I caused anyone confusion.

Therese

Just curious Therese as you seem to be very knowledgeable in all respects here have you seen the Samsung LN-S5797? Yes, it costs nearly double the 52" but if you have seen it how would you rate it? Most that've seen it rave about it but we have no Mag stores and nowhere to view unless I take a weekend trip to Chicago. Money aside I'd be very interested in your thoughts or others that may have seen it but wouldn't pay $6.5K for a TV.

As a sidenote - if anyone ever doubts what adverse impacts glare and reflections have with PDP go view the new Panny 65" 1080P owners forum and view the pictures of that 65" with it's washed out panel in daylight and hurricane shutters reflecting back into the panel. A reminder of why I took a $500 loss getting the 500U out of my house with Tall windows and southern exposure - that TV looks like a 65" mirror that gets about an 80+% washout on sunny days. Hallelujah for LCD's God those pic's of the giant PDp were horrendous and a TV that's Ala Carte - you have to buy the stand separate for $1200 and speakers another $1K. Just expressing appreciation for the wonderful qualities these LCD's have in most all conditions and whites that blow away PDP's.


Try watching College or Football during the day on weekends with such a washed out panel - I did for about a week and it had to go. This is with the blinds closed.

Here's the way a Plasma needs to look - Samsung HP-S6373 with Non-Reflective panel displayed in a glass Atrium in daylight and no adverse impact. The 1080P version is about a year away though as this is brand new FilterPlus version for around $5-$6K with positive red push .

Hi Westa,
Sorry - I saw the set in passing on a recent trip to Minneapolis - but did not have the ability to stop and examine. So have no report on it - other than whatever they were showing and the size drew a WOW from my self and the colleagues I was with. But we are talking about 2 minutes - here - nothing that would give any real indication.

I have also seen the 65 1080p Panny - and in the right conditions - it is quite spectacular...not 8 grand spectacular for me - and yes reflections on this panel are something to behold Ashame too - since i was set on buying this for my media room for the last 6months....Oh well - gonna wait to see what CES brings.

The Sharp 52" - in daylit conditions in my walkout basement in AZ - actually has a very slight sheen to the panel and thus a tad of glare. Not real noticeable - but there if you study it with the set off.

And no I will not take a pic of it to show it

Therese

I just played this movie on my 46" XBR3. The red push in that picture is quite extreme. My picture showed Vin Diesel's skin tone to be very natural. The walls also were not as red. This pic was taken from Windows Media Player. I have not calibrated my set much in PC mode, but these colors look more accurate nevertheless. The video is also a "compressed" version of the DVD, which may affect the overall quality.


46" XBR3 - Windows Media Player


Sharp 46" D62U

As westa wrote earlier, the camera used might have added some red tone to the picture. I'm still considering getting the 52" D62U, but I'll have to wait for additional pictures.

I just played the scene repeatedly under my ISF'd settings on my Panny plasma. While it appears my camera has added some red - due to use some nightime mode on it to try and capture the screeen without flash...My bad...

If you watch - the monster/lizard goes from black scales to red scales depending on how...angry...mean...etc he/she is. As the scene starts the lizard is coming out from a sheet of water towards Riddick and as the lizard goes into the sheet of water is a dark grey/black...as the head emerges the scales flare and have red tinge to them, if you stop the scene at that point you will notice that whatever lighting was used is picked up by the surrounding rock. On my Panny the gamma is set correctly and it does not appear as "bright" due to the black and contrast levels being better set. I then played the same scene on the Sharp - over and over - and by pulling the backlight all the way down and getting better black and contrast levels I was almost to the exact same hue and saturation of red as on my Panny.

On the SHarp I am feeding both my video HDMI feed and my HD DVD (film) feed through a switcher into a single HDMI input on the Sharp. I had set the black and contrast levels earlier to day for daytime video watching (football etc) - when I took these pics I did not recalibrate for the HD DVD. And I as I have repeatedly said - have not yet dialed in this set.

I apologize for attempting to take pics - as the end result is misleading. I have since removed all other pics I have taken - as if they are taken out of context of my words and posts - you end up with an inappropriate response as has happened with this one pic.

The end result of this little exersize was great for me - 'cause it caused me to really dial in some incredible black and contrast levels.

Hopefully my "horrible" pics that have now been repeated without any explanation will not cause others to dismiss or otherwise not seriously take a look at this set. It really does perform.

Either way I am happy and that is what counts.

Therese

Yoda1,
It really is a shame after viewing this set twice that you decided you did not like it. That is indeed your opinion. You posted in the Fall Sharp D62 thread, have repeatedly asked me questions and you know and have known that I was trying to get pics cause folks asked for them.

You also have read and responded to my posts where I clearly said I was having issues with the pics and they were not reflective - just to give a general gyst of what the the set could do for this or that.

Why did you feel it necesary to come to this thread - when you clearly dislike this set and have no intention of purchasing. To further take one of my "horrible" pics and use it to highlight the set - when I have said it DOES NOT reflect real life and then you repeated it to show off your angst against this set. Why is beyond me.

Since you copied the pic - and chose not to identify any of my disclaimors with it - you have been able to perpetrate your viewpoint of a so called "bad color decoder in the sharp" or one that is not as good as your set of choice and the infamous "red push". WHile I respect your right to your opinion - and doing so in the non owners thread. I really am quite irritated that you went to this extreme here.

I went out of my way to help other folks that have asked over and over gain for pics - even though I stated I could not get them right - and you took this and ran with it.

Using this to slant folks to your opinions - and doing so knowingly is just wrong. Hopefully others will skip the whole picture thing and go and view these sets for themselves - using multiple sources and trying different settings and arrive at their own opinion and one that is not biased by my inability to take pics or have it calibrated correctly at the time I was taking them in the few hours I have owned the set.

Therese

I love how people come to a thread and crap on it.

All this red push talk.. blah blah. Yoda1 based on your past post. * tons of praises of westinghouse... I can see your agenda.

It's pretty futile to judge a set based on some shot that Therese was kind to post for us.

now this is what you are doing. you are judging a high resolution device, on the web....!!!!!

I can understand if you owned the sharp then played with it for weeks and did not like it. then go ahead by all means trash it.

Speaking of Trash , I own a westinghouse 47 for a few days. Off angles horrible...constrast... S#hit.. then it crapped out. ok ok enough Rant.

Even with my horrible dealings with westinghouse, you dont see me going to the Westy 47 thread and trashing it. what's the point. ??? move on. !! looking towards newer, better sets. ie like sharp.

Now since you guys are bringing up red push. You did read how fast Therese solve that issue. To try to compare her shot, which she admited ( she is not an expert at taking photos) is pretty lame of you.

I dont see any red push in this shot. Off angle too.

Good for you Therese

Shame on you Yoda1

Graham.

Long time lurker on both threads for the D62's.

I was planning on buying the 42 until I saw the reviews about viewing angle and banding. I currently have a Westy that is going back for the same banding reason as it's doing my head in. The only problem is the price difference on the 46. My wife and I are trying to justify it currently which brings me to my question.

Does anybody buy the extended warranty on these or is that a waste of time and money?

Thanks for any response and thanks to everyone doing all this legwork for the rest of us who cannot yet go out and see one of these. Nobody in the Austin area seems to have them in just yet.

I'm also curitous about the 1080p over component for the Xbox 360. Guess we won't find out until they do that update in the coming weeks as hopefully by then I'll already have my 46 rockin'!