or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official Sharp Aquos 42D62U/46D62U/52D62U Owner's Thread (NO PRICE TALK!)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Sharp Aquos 42D62U/46D62U/52D62U Owner's Thread (NO PRICE TALK!) - Page 30

post #871 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

I asked if they'd heard anything about the D92's and was told they'll be displayed at CES in January and that they'll command about a $1K markup versus D62's and some of the expected feature differences will be 120hz, 3 HDMI, 1 DVI-I, RS232, 4 ms native response time (without electronic assistance) and a higher than 2000:1 static contrast ratio (actual is unknown at this time and perhaps protected for release at CES).

Westa,

Those specs look great. One question: Did your source confirm that the new models will have the TruHD chip?
post #872 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

I've been in touch with my CEDIA Dealer friend that has contacts at Sharp and I was informed after mentioning the issues here of banding that Sharp representatives are privately actually viewing the feedback here and they are presently working on the reported banding and other issues in their labs and QC.

I asked if they'd heard anything about the D92's and was told they'll be displayed at CES in January and that they'll command about a $1K markup versus D62's and some of the expected feature differences will be 120hz, 3 HDMI, 1 DVI-I, RS232, 4 ms native response time (without electronic assistance) and a higher than 2000:1 static contrast ratio (actual is unknown at this time and perhaps protected for release at CES). I believe we'll find distribution dates at CES also which is now less than 3 months away.

Awesome info on the d92's Westa! Any idea if the HDMI ports will support 1.3 and when they expect to actually ship product? I plan to buy the 52" d62, but I'm curious all the same. If my renovation project has unexpected delays, my time frame might slide out a little.
post #873 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrantR View Post

I noticed that too, depending on which AV Mode the TV is set to. Some AV modes vary the backlight: I set the desktop to black, then drag a window on/off/on/off the TV from the primary monitor. Every time the window comes onto the TV the whole black desktop would lighten up. I have all my AV Modes set to exactly the same settings, yet in spite of that I've noticed Dynamic and Movie both exhibit the varying backlight behaviour, while Standard, Game, PC and User did not. (But Dynamic (Fixed) is worthless because the fixed settings are junk.) So I think some of the settings do that dynamic backlight thing regardless of settings, while others don't. Movie mode also seems to run a slightly different gamma that brightens up blacks, but because of the variable backlight I don't use it.

I think, based on my attempt at interpreting the manual, that OPC is a backlight adjustment based on how bright it thinks your room is via a light sensor somewhere, and not based on the signal being displayed?

Hmmm....I haven't even gotten into the AV modes...sheesh both the Sharp Manual and On Screen configuration are horrible! Did you do User Settings there?
post #874 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtfer View Post

Could you elaborate on this?
The older Sharp model that I owned did not have this problem, yet it seems everyones d62u set has some sort of banding.

It would be logical that they dropped the quality of their deign in order to cut cost & thus the pretty cheap prices these sets are selling for compared to Sony & Samsung.

http://www.cmo.com.tw/cmo/english/te...20030304111337

This is a very simple illustration from Chi Mei on what they were after. In a nutshell, removing one of the diffuser layers allows them to produce a backlight at lowe cost and allows more light to pass (brighter) at the expense of see the "bands" people describe as the structure of the diffuser layer. The additional layer is supposed to diffuse the light enough to be completely even but it takes the overall brightness down some and is more costly to make. Since Sharp's MultiPixel panels (which really amounts to simply staggering the alignment and orientation of the liquid crystals to achieve better viewing angles) results in a bit lower overall panel brightness I can see this as additional motivation to use this cheaper and brighter BLU design.

Of course this is mostly guessing on my part, but if the shoe fits. I look forward to seeing if the D92 series makes use of this type of backlight as well or if they'll go a more premium route. I find it interesting to note lately that all of Sharp's recent technology annoucnements and plans match up very nicely to Chi Mei's recent press releases. I think the "technology sharing partnership" the two announced is more of a big deal than anybody thinks. I could result in something as big as a merger in the future.
post #875 of 12251
I was in CC over the weekend looking at the 46" model, and I noticed that the pixels are laid out in a diamond pattern rather than the usual square pattern (every other column of pixels is offset by 1/2 pixel). Have any owners noticed if this affects the picture quality of horizontal / vertical edges, especially in 1:1 mode?
post #876 of 12251
I plan on using my LCD TV as a monitor connected to my Dell 600 laptop. As far as I can tell, the computer only has a VGA connection for the monitor. Has anyone connected a Dell laptop to a 46D62, the unit I'm thinking of buying? If so how?
post #877 of 12251
Is that the BLU design on the D62's? Again what I've seen looks nothing like backlight issues and looks much more like uneven LCD film. This is mainly because these "bands" aren't uniform and don't go the length of the set but have a much more random pattern.
post #878 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by phertz View Post

I plan on using my LCD TV as a monitor connected to my Dell 600 laptop. As far as I can tell, the computer only has a VGA connection for the monitor. Has anyone connected a Dell laptop to a 46D62, the unit I'm thinking of buying? If so how?

Unfortunately I think you are out of luck. I've done PC inputs but I've used DVI -> HDMI to do it. This works fine but you need a DVI output on the computer.

There may be a way to break out VGA into component RGB but I'm not sure if you can configure any of the other inputs to accept it correctly...
post #879 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by phertz View Post

I plan on using my LCD TV as a monitor connected to my Dell 600 laptop. As far as I can tell, the computer only has a VGA connection for the monitor. Has anyone connected a Dell laptop to a 46D62, the unit I'm thinking of buying? If so how?

Look into a docking station. If this is the right one for you, it includes a DVI port which you can use with the HDMI port on the TV.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/p...9&sku=310-2873

I have seen them go for $100 used.
post #880 of 12251
Thanks. I actually have the docking station but did not realize it had a DVI. It must be the funny shaped slot on the left side.
post #881 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by rmb1035 View Post

Westa,

Those specs look great. One question: Did your source confirm that the new models will have the TruHD chip?

No, I didn't but I would consider that Sharp is keeping some things under wraps and IMO something has to provide that 120Hz processing and my guess it's the TruD since the Euro models have it and they are running to match 100Hz to better match the Euro standard that's listed as 50Hz normally. My guess is that is how the 120Hz and the 4ms is enabled after viewing the Flash Demo's at Micronas website which are impressive as hell. Those are my guesses -at how they arrive at the new spec's. Doesn't matter to me how it does it except the TruD demo is amazing. I think it's one of the primary reasons for the slightly upscale price margins - I wouldn't hesitate to pay that premium for that kind of processing. The Samsung's next gen will have a 70" with 120Hz in the first half of 2007 also with 180 degree viewing angles so competition will be dynamic at CES this year.

Whether the 3 HDMI are 1.3 that wasn't specified exactly but based upon the very first posting in D62 Section Mike53 stated in one of his final posts that the HDMI's would have 1.3 in 2007. I would guess Sharp has their hands full with the D62's and they are using their Ad budget to focus on the Baseball playoff's to promote the D62 line so I would guess they'll either use the Holidays or post holidays at CES to announce D92 line in the first week of January with the NFL Playoffs and SuperBowl around the corner. Time to start saving for the upgrade.

I'm hoping it's sooner than later as my target is the larger 65" (or whatever size they may change it to) with all these new features as my permanent HT Size panel. My Holy grail is having the CR and details of an SXRD at 57" or larger with the strengths of an LCD that has the looks of a Pio plasma without the reflections/glare. It's hell waiting though.
post #882 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by BTT917 View Post

My sister got the 42" on Saturday from CC, and overall I'm happy with it. I haven't gotten a chance to do much calibrating: that will wait until the DirecTV HD is installed mid-week. All video is being run though a Denon 1706 receiver.

First night we watched The Incredibles on a Sony DVP-NC80V 5-disc changer (last years model) over component video. Tried both 480i and 480p outputs and preferred the 480p from the Sony. Great overall picture quality. Also watched a little Toy Story and LOTR:TT, and both also looked great.

Sunday watched SD football over the HR20 HD-DVR via component. Picture quality was again great for an SD signal. Off-axis viewing (~45 degrees off center) was very good. Noticed some slight banding during some scenes on-axis, but only if I was purposefully looking for it. Not distracting, and wasn't noticeable during The Incredibles. One thing is that the set seems to have a higher than normal vertical overscan, at least on the 480i feed from the HR20. Particularly noticeable with the DirecTV guide.

I will do a better calibration with AVIA on Tuesday when the HD is supposed to be installed (2nd try). I'll run through the normal picture adjustments, as well as the overscan test and the gray fields to check on the banding.

Can't wait to check out Discovery HD on this thing!

Got my 42" last Friday. I am very pleased with it as well! Much better than the Westinghouse 42" I had. Wait til you get to watch some HD, you'll love it even more!
post #883 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by westa6969 View Post

No, I didn't but I would consider that Sharp is keeping some things under wraps and IMO something has to provide that 120Hz processing and my guess it's the TruD since the Euro models have it and they are running to match 100Hz to better match the Euro standard that's listed as 50Hz normally. My guess is that is how the 120Hz and the 4ms is enabled after viewing the Flash Demo's at Micronas website which are impressive as hell. Those are my guesses -at how they arrive at the new spec's. Doesn't matter to me how it does it except the TruD demo is amazing. I think it's one of the primary reasons for the slightly upscale price margins - I wouldn't hesitate to pay that premium for that kind of processing. The Samsung's next gen will have a 70" with 120Hz in the first half of 2007 also with 180 degree viewing angles so competition will be dynamic at CES this year.

Whether the 3 HDMI are 1.3 that wasn't specified exactly but based upon the very first posting in D62 Section Mike53 stated in one of his final posts that the HDMI's would have 1.3 in 2007. I would guess Sharp has their hands full with the D62's and they are using their Ad budget to focus on the Baseball playoff's to promote them so I would guess they'll either use the Holidays or post holidays at CES to announce in the first week of January with the NFL Playoffs and SuperBowl around the corner.

I'm hoping it's sooner than later as my target is the larger 65" (or whatever size they may change it to) with all these new features as my permanent HT Size panel. My Holy grail is having the CR and details of an SXRD at 57" or larger with the strengths of an LCD that has the looks of a Pio plasma without the reflections/glare. It's hell waiting though.


as per my previous posting - this is exactly where i sit too (albeit a few thousand miles to your right..) - PLEASE keep me posted on developments: david@ultimatedesign.co.uk as i cant afford to buy the 522 now and realise that in the early Spring there is a better c. 60" - I am happy to wait til then (helps with the saving up..!)
post #884 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by wtfer View Post

so to summarize my experience:

Positives:
+Price was nice for a 42" 1080p set

Negatives:
-big time vertical banding
-very weak black levels
-HD channels look worse due to poor blacks
-very poor (more so then normal) SD
-the bolts that connects the stand to the TV would NOT screw in for the left hand side.
-massive red push.
-viewing angels not so good.

in conculsion:
STAY AWAY FROM THE D62U SERIES LIKE THE PLAGUE

Sharp just unloaded defective, subpar, inferior TV's on us & let's show them that they can't get away with this with either emails about the problems or returning the sets cold turkey.

Dude, I am seriously bummed for you. I just got the same set and am pleased that I don't have the same issues as you. However, I did have banding issues and poorer viewing angles with my previous (now returned) Westy 42". I feel your pain. I agree that it seems that Sharp is having some QC issues, but not all sets are having problems. I would advise folks to buy with causion and do what has been suggested....have the salesperson take your unit out of the box for inspection for such issues. When you do get a set that doesn't have issues, it looks great. At least (as it seems from earlier posts) that Sharp is aware of the issues and taking a look at them. That is much more than Westinghouse can say.....
post #885 of 12251
All owners be sure to check out this poll here regarding banding issues.
post #886 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronscool View Post

Is that the BLU design on the D62's? Again what I've seen looks nothing like backlight issues and looks much more like uneven LCD film. This is mainly because these "bands" aren't uniform and don't go the length of the set but have a much more random pattern.

I need to clarify it is my GUESS on the sourcing of the BLU and nothing more.
post #887 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronscool View Post

Hmmm....I haven't even gotten into the AV modes...sheesh both the Sharp Manual and On Screen configuration are horrible! Did you do User Settings there?

I just got home and double checked the AV Modes - Dynamic(Fixed), Dynamic, Standard, and Movie all vary the backlight. Game, PC, and User do not. So for your PC use flip open the bottom panel of your remote, hit AV Mode until you are in Game, PC or User, then set all your settings, and it will behave as you expect

It's funny how obvious the backlight auto-adjustment is on a PC, but when watching TV I can't tell that it's happening, since I've been running my cable box in Standard AV mode for the last two days and never noticed. I will have to experiment further tonight.
post #888 of 12251
Mixed bag of impressions.

Finally got to see the 46 and 52 inch sets at BB yesterday. Well what can I say. ((ADD ALL THE USUAL STORE DISPLAY ARGUMENTS HERE))

46 : Without a doubt the worst image in the isle. It was on the top shelf of a two layer display beside a Pioneer plasma and a Toshiba LCD. Below were a Samsung LCD, Westinghouse, and some off name I can't remember. The Sharp was nasty. The image was dark, dull, and washed out. I grabbed the remote and improved it somewhat but it couldn't compare to any of the other sets around it. I was totally crushed; I had planned on taking one home with me but after seeing the image, no way.

52 : Set-up in the next isle over and mixed in with some Sony's, Toshiba, Pioneer (can't remember, was too depressed to think straight). This one looked very nice. Just about what I had been expecting to see. Bright, clear, nice colors, low noise, good blacks. Off angle was also very good.

Went back over to the 46 and couldn't believe the difference. Off angle view was poor to non-viewable.

From what I have read and what I have seen; off angle viewing may be a quick way to identify problem sets. Some of you lucky folks are reporting 170-180 deg view angles. The nasty 46 fell off way short of that, maybe 1/2 of that.

I haven't given up on this set yet. From what I have read in this thread there seems to be a serious QC issue with the new line. Once Sharp finishes all the consumer-based "Beta-testing" and flushes the crap out of the retail channels I may be back.

If you have a good one, enjoy it. I'm going to CC this weekend to see what their 46 looks like. They were about 2 weeks behind BB and just got them in Sat; maybe they have a better inventory?
post #889 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffrey r View Post

So they offered $100 off their list price, which was really generous of them considering you can get $180 off list price online right now at CC. So we walked out.

It seems these are just too new and too rare right now to negotiate hard. If a CC or BB store manager doesn't want to deal on these right now, he just doesn't have to.

Check this out -- I found out my local CC had 1 in stock on Saturday. Probably the only LC-46d62u on the island of Oahu, it had to be mine! I was willing to buy it for list price, but on the web site i saw that $180 off offer and tried to purchase the tv online and do local pickup. Going through the checkout, it never asked for a coupon code -- So I called the 1-800 # to find out what was going on.

The guy on the phone said how would you like to save MORE than $180 on your set - I said hell yeah! He said he had a coupon code that would give 10% of the list price. Sure enough - saved me over $300 on this set. 30 minutes later I picked up my set at CC. It sure is nice not having to deal with salespeople!

It was hilarious when we got this behemoth through the door. I measured my existing entertainment center and found the TV was wider than it so it wouldn't fit. Quick and dirty solution, I whipped out my jigsaw and cut my entertainment center in half. Now I have two entertainment centers!. We used the other half and put it in our bedroom where our old 27" resides.

This TV is the nicest thing in my house lol. It really looks out of place with my cheap furniture, sawed off entertainment center and 1970s shag carpet. Sunday we had the earthquake.. the first thing that came to mind was - I hope the TV didn't fall over!

Can someone recommend a decent priced sound system that would compliment my new set?
post #890 of 12251
Could people who got their 46 from Best Buy (or another popular brick and mortar chain) send me a PM with what you paid? I keep reading about these 'awesome deals' but everytime I go in and ask about flexibility on the price they say "They're too new, fifty bucks at best." I think I can do way better but am wondering just how much better.

Thanks,

-Brian

P.S. The 46in on display at my BB didn't seem (to my eye) to have the red push I keep hearing about all the time.
post #891 of 12251
Well, I think I am out of the LCD game...........I have decided after lugging the 80 pound box up the basement stairs that I am really tired of buying and returning, and have decided to pick up a Pio 1140HD (at a very good price). Every time I have seen it, it looks very good and seems to have great reliability. Thanks to all for the posts on your experiences and best of luck to those with bad sets in exchanging for a keeper. I have simply run out of patience, and energy. I really hope Sharp can sort this out and retake the LCD throne.
post #892 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrantR View Post

Where in Mass are you at?

I got the 46", it's the perfect size for my bedroom. I bought the Sharp because the very latest generation of LCDs are pretty much all as good as each other - certainly good enough that I am finally happy with spending the money to get a real HDTV instead of watching HD on computer monitors (which are fully capable of showing 1080i, they're just tiny). The Sharp won out over the Sony XBR2 because it has much better value for money, and for the same physical size where I can only fit a Sony 40, I can get the Sharp 46.

Sorry, I did not watch any football, I'm not a football fan. Now if American TV stations would play some rugby in HD that would have me glued to the set

But I did see some playoffs baseball last night, just because it happened to be on. It looked very good, but I wasn't paying attention to fast motion response. Nothing jumped out as being a problem.

I'am on the Cape, and have decided to wait for the 52" Samsungs and XBR3 to hit the market then compare all three. I am now again looking at Fujitsu,Hitachi directer series, and NEC Plasmas.I probally shouldn't have read this forum it's has definely had me put on the brakes. I was always sold on plasma, but started looking a the LCDS because of the 1080p and 52" size, energy consumption,and price. Now I don't know what I'am going to do. Why did you go LCD over plasma? You seem happy with your purchase.
post #893 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by natx808 View Post

It was hilarious when we got this behemoth through the door. I measured my existing entertainment center and found the TV was wider than it so it wouldn't fit. Quick and dirty solution, I whipped out my jigsaw and cut my entertainment center in half. Now I have two entertainment centers!. We used the other half and put it in our bedroom where our old 27" resides.

This TV is the nicest thing in my house lol. It really looks out of place with my cheap furniture, sawed off entertainment center and 1970s shag carpet. Sunday we had the earthquake.. the first thing that came to mind was - I hope the TV didn't fall over!

I love this post! Great imagery .


ron
post #894 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by tpollagi View Post

From what I have read and what I have seen; off angle viewing may be a quick way to identify problem sets. Some of you lucky folks are reporting 170-180 deg view angles. The nasty 46 fell off way short of that, maybe 1/2 of that.

It would be interesting to see if there is a correlation between off-axis viewing, banding, manufacture date, serial number, etc.
post #895 of 12251
I know this is an owners of the xxd62u thread, but Westa 6969, is there any chance the 92's will have a 46" version??? What inch sizes are they likely to have??? I know this is still a little less than 3 months to CES, but I'd love to get a T.V. in Feburary instead of waiting til like next August.
post #896 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by ForzaItalia View Post

So what common problems are associated with the Sony and Samsung LCDs?

From what I read here with the Sony's its mainly that the SD's don't look so hot....other than that they are supposed to be pretty good.
post #897 of 12251
Just brought home a 46!! Anxious to take a look at it tomorrow. Thanks to all who have posted so far, looking forward to trying out some of the settings and tips listed in this thread. Was tempted to wait for the next wave of Sharps in a few months (supposedly), but I'm sure by then there would be something ELSE I wanted to wait for. Decided to pull the trigger now.

Crossing my fingers for a "buzz-free" set.
post #898 of 12251
I went to BB today in search of the 52. None on display there in Westbury. "3 are in the back." UGH. What good does that do me? Anyway, they did have a 46 on display...it was absolutely flawless - to my eyes. Definitely had no banding, and it blew away every other panel on the wall. What was soooo much more interesting though was the D62, 46 incher on the floor marked "Open Box" !! How much you wanna bet someone had banding issues with that one and returned it the same day. Looks like its coming down to a roll of the dice.
post #899 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by GSA53 View Post

I went to BB today in search of the 52. None on display there in Westbury. "3 are in the back." UGH. What good does that do me? Anyway, they did have a 46 on display...it was absolutely flawless - to my eyes. Definitely had no banding, and it blew away every other panel on the wall. What was soooo much more interesting though was the D62, 46 incher on the floor marked "Open Box" !! How much you wanna bet someone had banding issues with that one and returned it the same day. Looks like its coming down to a roll of the dice.

lol expect a lot more open box d62u's on store floors.
well I just wanted tp pitch in again.

Seems there is overscan in some games!
There was insanely bad overscan in Splinter Cell Chaos Theory on Xbox, a big 2 inch black bar on the left side & the top & bottom of the screen were cropped.
The option to adjust the postion on the TV can't get me the full picture, with either side of the pic still having a black bar & with either the top or bottom of the screen being cropped off.
Even stranger, there was absolutely no overscan on the Vizio with the same game!

Another thing I want to mention is that the TV show Jepordy is on & is not full widescreen, it has those two small black bars on the sides (smaller then the normal black bars), it's on the high definition channel & is displaying it, but there is no way to get the HD full widescreen (w/o strecthing/zooming the pic)

I'm MENTIONING this because on my 42" Vizio, Jepordy was playing in high def AND in full widescreen.

what gives?
post #900 of 12251
Quote:
Originally Posted by richard korsgren View Post

What it comes down to on the Sharp lcd is: Be careful where you buy the Sharp 52 inch so that you can try it out in your home for, at least, 30 days. Maybe this is one set you should think twice about buying hundreds of miles from your home. Costco, we need you to handle this Sharp set! As I have said before, the Sharp, Sony, and Samsung (plus the Pioneer plasma) are all capable of giving you a great picture. But, it seems, reliability is also very important whether you are buying a new car or a new tv set. Still consider the Sharp in your buying plans as I am doing.

i agree
as one of the first to purchase a 52" ,i have what i believe is a defective panel. at
about a 45 degree angle picture washes out significantly
thank god i purchased at best buy. not sure if i want to try my luck with another one.
chris
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: LCD Flat Panel Displays
AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official Sharp Aquos 42D62U/46D62U/52D62U Owner's Thread (NO PRICE TALK!)